[Show] Inside The Game - Official Thread - Page 61

On June 29 2011 19:55 rareh wrote:


This definitely, JP is one of the worst hosts ever.

On June 29 2011 20:03 Owii wrote:


How are we not involved? If Complexity and EG and etc are to be taken as serious companies, then aren't we the consumers? Don't consumers have the right to know what goes into the products that they are consuming?

On June 29 2011 20:12 rareh wrote:


Are you joking ?

Do you pay for ITG or SoTG ?

This isn't a issue related with a mouse of steelseries which happens to be sponsors of EG or anything like that...

On June 29 2011 20:12 rareh wrote:


Are you joking ?

Do you pay for ITG or SoTG ?

This isn't a issue related with a mouse of steelseries which happens to be sponsors of EG or anything like that...

On June 29 2011 20:19 blackone wrote:

No, their sponsors do, because they know we are watching these shows. The audience is obviously important, I don't know how you can think otherwise.

On June 29 2011 20:24 Owii wrote:


Steelseries is a financial backer. ITG makes its money through advertising dollars. So I watch ITG -> Steelseries makes money through the added awareness of their products -> Steelseries pays ITG. The flowchart is not hard to wrap your head around. ITG needs viewers in order to pay for itself. Therefore, the viewers are consumers.

On June 29 2011 20:19 blackone wrote:

No, their sponsors do, because they know we are watching these shows. The audience is obviously important, I don't know how you can think otherwise.

On June 29 2011 20:31 legatus legionis wrote:


He understands that they are consumers. That's not what he is talking about. He is responding to the very last sentence. "Don't consumers have the right to know what goes into the products that they are consuming?" No ofcourse not. Because it's not an actual product you use, it's a service product. With a manufactured product like cosmetics you have the "right" to demand some sort of test be done on the chemicals so that when you make the decision to literally consume it, those chemicals won't scar your skin for life. With service products, those kinds of things aren't the case, and demanding to have insight into how everything is run is absolutely ludacris. There are only a few cases where a company is legally obliged to open their books which is for annual financial reports for the state or their shareholders or when there is some sort of criminal case that needs to be sorted and the authorities and enforce their searching rights in the name of the law.
Do read between the lines, obviously I'm not completely correct in my wording but it's for the general line of the story, which should be pretty accurate.


Edit:

Wish I could stop clicking on these threads but alas. The topic is interesting but I got incredibly frustrated reading some comments after making a post to appeal to reason in the SotG thread. From what I watched today on ITG, luckily I'm on the same page.

There's so many people getting mad and spouting quite offensive "reasoning" around. Hell I was almost tempted to qoute and point some fingers last night but that would've just been way too saddening. There was actually some guys randomly coming into what otherwise would've been a decent discussion regarding the topic, just to present an incredibly skewed and biased argument with faulty logic and no real points involved to just lash out and put more wood on the fire. While I have no problem respecting someone's opinion, it's when their floor breaks when I step on it do I get annoyed. Why don't you give yourself those values or demand a certain standard, so that you're whole argument would weight more and you, just like me, would then also fall through the floor and thus not post that shit.

Incase this doesn't actually make sense. Some of the people I'm talking about now, didn't even know the name of the shows they were bashing incredibly hard based on a ton of assumptions they were stating as facts, without providing the necesairly proof or unfalterable logic to make it such.

I don't like that at all and that is really bad. In general, I think people should seriously stop caring about these little things in the way they do. It's because they see it differently and thus respond in a different manner but that to me jsut indicates that there is a big disconnect happening. I'm at a loss how to pre-emptively get everyone on a similar perspective before indulging in discussions like this.
While I do feel it is sort of fair to discuss these things in a serious and caring manner, especially when there is something tangible regarding the whole situation, which I believe there isn't yet. So if you are one of those who are sincere, I ask of you to keep those who don't take it serious, those who truly only bring hurt, in check. Because that is the kind of stuff that does hurt us all.

Maybe that's a rediculous request or wish, especially since I wouldn't know how that is even going to work, but I do feel it's very important to point out because those kinds of pokes into the oven really heat up the fire, only risking the bread to get burned and not actually contributing to the bake.

On June 29 2011 20:54 TheSubtleArt wrote:

But the stream is completely free, so this sense of entitlement is ridiculous. You're not paying to watch anything...

"You don't pay for it with $, so don't even dare to criticise anything."

When it's benefitting for someone it's always the "we have to make esports happen together" approach, but as soon as the community is burdensome in a certain matter people go with the "it's for free, stfu" or the "non of your business" arguement...

On June 29 2011 21:05 Owii wrote:


Was all of your edit directed at me? Because this is the first time I've commented in the thread, and I definitely wasn't trolling, and I do take it seriously. I'm just a SC2 fan who is saddened that the biggest NA podcast is now on hiatus, and since I am a part of the target audience of that show, just want to know why. I now know at least most of the story, see that all parties involved erred in some way, but not intentionally, and I've accepted it all and moved on.

My only point of contention was that the viewers of this content have a reasonable expectation of inclusion in what's going on. We got that last night during ITG. My issue isn't with EG, wheat, JP, Inc, or any of them, it's with the post that I originally quoted who said that it was unreasonable for the community to demand an explanation.

On June 29 2011 20:51 Jiddra wrote:
Is this a culture thing or what, the "SC2 drama" is always about the NA scene? The sad thing is that so often it is about such small and unimportant issues, there is so much better things to create drama about.

On June 29 2011 20:11 SushilS wrote:

Get a clue or Shut up , man... JP is awesome!!

On June 29 2011 21:05 Copenap wrote:


That is one of the worst mentalities in the SC2 community...

"You don't pay for it with $, so don't even dare to criticise anything."

When it's benefitting for someone it's always the "we have to make esports happen together" approach, but as soon as the community is burdensome in a certain matter people go with the "it's for free, stfu" or the "non of your business" arguement...

On June 29 2011 21:21 Tegin wrote:

I agree with him being a bad host. It seemed like it was always awkward when he talked, he didn't have much of anything to add to any of the topics, and overall I think djWHEAT as a host and as a commentator is far superior.

I respect what JP started and I respect his role in the community and I wish him the best of luck in the future. But I do think he needs to improve in both areas if he wants to be the "mainstream" show for the SC2 community.

On June 29 2011 21:29 Tegin wrote:
I agree, but that's because of the members of the show, not JP. Anyone watch SC Center with him and chobopeon? Didn't think so:/