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SushilS
Profile Joined November 2010
2115 Posts
June 29 2011 11:11 GMT
#1201
On June 29 2011 19:55 rareh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2011 10:01 quiet noise wrote:
On June 29 2011 09:54 provrorsbarn wrote:
I think that its a bit "low" (for a lack of a better word) to start a total ripoff show of State of the game just so you can earn more money through sponsorship.... (or whatever the reason was)
by setting up an almost identical show....and also taking one of the most important part of STOG (incontrol and also idra) and mash it into a new show.....
It looks really bad in my eyes......
not cool EG.....

i dont really care im just happy its lead by djWHEAT and not JP.


This definitely, JP is one of the worst hosts ever.

Get a clue or Shut up , man... JP is awesome!!
iceiceice: I’m going to make this short; I am the one true tinker player.
rareh
Profile Joined May 2011
Portugal298 Posts
June 29 2011 11:12 GMT
#1202
On June 29 2011 20:03 Owii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2011 10:23 jmbthirteen wrote:
I find it funny that people think they deserve full transparency in situations where they aren't involved in at all.


How are we not involved? If Complexity and EG and etc are to be taken as serious companies, then aren't we the consumers? Don't consumers have the right to know what goes into the products that they are consuming?


Are you joking ?

Do you pay for ITG or SoTG ?

This isn't a issue related with a mouse of steelseries which happens to be sponsors of EG or anything like that...
karpo
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1998 Posts
June 29 2011 11:16 GMT
#1203
On June 29 2011 20:12 rareh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2011 20:03 Owii wrote:
On June 29 2011 10:23 jmbthirteen wrote:
I find it funny that people think they deserve full transparency in situations where they aren't involved in at all.


How are we not involved? If Complexity and EG and etc are to be taken as serious companies, then aren't we the consumers? Don't consumers have the right to know what goes into the products that they are consuming?


Are you joking ?

Do you pay for ITG or SoTG ?

This isn't a issue related with a mouse of steelseries which happens to be sponsors of EG or anything like that...


You forget the streams, the shows and the sponsorships. They all depend on fans and viewers, if the companies treat fans well they gain trust and more fans. It's the base of revenue for a team right?
blackone
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany1314 Posts
June 29 2011 11:19 GMT
#1204
On June 29 2011 20:12 rareh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2011 20:03 Owii wrote:
On June 29 2011 10:23 jmbthirteen wrote:
I find it funny that people think they deserve full transparency in situations where they aren't involved in at all.


How are we not involved? If Complexity and EG and etc are to be taken as serious companies, then aren't we the consumers? Don't consumers have the right to know what goes into the products that they are consuming?


Are you joking ?

Do you pay for ITG or SoTG ?

No, their sponsors do, because they know we are watching these shows. The audience is obviously important, I don't know how you can think otherwise.
Owii
Profile Joined July 2010
United States357 Posts
June 29 2011 11:24 GMT
#1205
On June 29 2011 20:12 rareh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2011 20:03 Owii wrote:
On June 29 2011 10:23 jmbthirteen wrote:
I find it funny that people think they deserve full transparency in situations where they aren't involved in at all.


How are we not involved? If Complexity and EG and etc are to be taken as serious companies, then aren't we the consumers? Don't consumers have the right to know what goes into the products that they are consuming?


Are you joking ?

Do you pay for ITG or SoTG ?

This isn't a issue related with a mouse of steelseries which happens to be sponsors of EG or anything like that...


Steelseries is a financial backer. ITG makes its money through advertising dollars. So I watch ITG -> Steelseries makes money through the added awareness of their products -> Steelseries pays ITG. The flowchart is not hard to wrap your head around. ITG needs viewers in order to pay for itself. Therefore, the viewers are consumers.
rareh
Profile Joined May 2011
Portugal298 Posts
June 29 2011 11:27 GMT
#1206
On June 29 2011 20:19 blackone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2011 20:12 rareh wrote:
On June 29 2011 20:03 Owii wrote:
On June 29 2011 10:23 jmbthirteen wrote:
I find it funny that people think they deserve full transparency in situations where they aren't involved in at all.


How are we not involved? If Complexity and EG and etc are to be taken as serious companies, then aren't we the consumers? Don't consumers have the right to know what goes into the products that they are consuming?


Are you joking ?

Do you pay for ITG or SoTG ?

No, their sponsors do, because they know we are watching these shows. The audience is obviously important, I don't know how you can think otherwise.


If you don't like something free, then don't waste your time with it. Simple as that.

If something you payed for doesn't work the way it was promised to you, then yes you have the right to complain, like for example, it was said Tastosis would cast Code S, yet they haven't casted it yet. A lot of people complained.

I doubt the sponsors care about 10 trolls that have nothing more to do then bitch about anything.
legatus legionis
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands559 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-29 11:51:48
June 29 2011 11:31 GMT
#1207
On June 29 2011 20:24 Owii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2011 20:12 rareh wrote:
On June 29 2011 20:03 Owii wrote:
On June 29 2011 10:23 jmbthirteen wrote:
I find it funny that people think they deserve full transparency in situations where they aren't involved in at all.


How are we not involved? If Complexity and EG and etc are to be taken as serious companies, then aren't we the consumers? Don't consumers have the right to know what goes into the products that they are consuming?


Are you joking ?

Do you pay for ITG or SoTG ?

This isn't a issue related with a mouse of steelseries which happens to be sponsors of EG or anything like that...


Steelseries is a financial backer. ITG makes its money through advertising dollars. So I watch ITG -> Steelseries makes money through the added awareness of their products -> Steelseries pays ITG. The flowchart is not hard to wrap your head around. ITG needs viewers in order to pay for itself. Therefore, the viewers are consumers.


He understands that they are consumers. That's not what he is talking about. He is responding to the very last sentence. "Don't consumers have the right to know what goes into the products that they are consuming?" No ofcourse not. Because it's not an actual product you use, it's a service product. With a manufactured product like cosmetics you have the "right" to demand some sort of test be done on the chemicals so that when you make the decision to literally consume it, those chemicals won't scar your skin for life. With service products, those kinds of things aren't the case, and demanding to have insight into how everything is run is absolutely ludacris. There are only a few cases where a company is legally obliged to open their books which is for annual financial reports for the state or their shareholders or when there is some sort of criminal case that needs to be sorted and the authorities and enforce their searching rights in the name of the law.
Do read between the lines, obviously I'm not completely correct in my wording but it's for the general line of the story, which should be pretty accurate.


Edit:

Wish I could stop clicking on these threads but alas. The topic is interesting but I got incredibly frustrated reading some comments after making a post to appeal to reason in the SotG thread. From what I watched today on ITG, luckily I'm on the same page.

There's so many people getting mad and spouting quite offensive "reasoning" around. Hell I was almost tempted to qoute and point some fingers last night but that would've just been way too saddening. There was actually some guys randomly coming into what otherwise would've been a decent discussion regarding the topic, just to present an incredibly skewed and biased argument with faulty logic and no real points involved to just lash out and put more wood on the fire. While I have no problem respecting someone's opinion, it's when their floor breaks when I step on it do I get annoyed. Why don't you give yourself those values or demand a certain standard, so that you're whole argument would weight more and you, just like me, would then also fall through the floor and thus not post that shit.

Incase this doesn't actually make sense. Some of the people I'm talking about now, didn't even know the name of the shows they were bashing incredibly hard based on a ton of assumptions they were stating as facts, without providing the necesairly proof or unfalterable logic to make it such.

I don't like that at all and that is really bad. In general, I think people should seriously stop caring about these little things in the way they do. It's because they see it differently and thus respond in a different manner but that to me jsut indicates that there is a big disconnect happening. I'm at a loss how to pre-emptively get everyone on a similar perspective before indulging in discussions like this.
While I do feel it is sort of fair to discuss these things in a serious and caring manner, especially when there is something tangible regarding the whole situation, which I believe there isn't yet. So if you are one of those who are sincere, I ask of you to keep those who don't take it serious, those who truly only bring hurt, in check. Because that is the kind of stuff that does hurt us all.

Maybe that's a rediculous request or wish, especially since I wouldn't know how that is even going to work, but I do feel it's very important to point out because those kinds of pokes into the oven really heat up the fire, only risking the bread to get burned and not actually contributing to the bake.
Jiddra
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden2685 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-29 11:57:11
June 29 2011 11:51 GMT
#1208
Is this a culture thing or what, the "SC2 drama" is always about the NA scene? The sad thing is that so often it is about such small and unimportant issues, there is so much better things to create drama about.

Would love to see how this community would handle teams and players from other games, like CS. It would be blood and tears every day.



So EG was forced to do a business descision, Incontrol a personal descision, things didn't work out perfect (like most things in life), they did the best of the situation, they told the part of the story that didn't involve others.

Wow, talk about drama... or what others would call "real life".

I am not young enough to know everything.
TheSubtleArt
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada2527 Posts
June 29 2011 11:54 GMT
#1209
On June 29 2011 20:19 blackone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2011 20:12 rareh wrote:
On June 29 2011 20:03 Owii wrote:
On June 29 2011 10:23 jmbthirteen wrote:
I find it funny that people think they deserve full transparency in situations where they aren't involved in at all.


How are we not involved? If Complexity and EG and etc are to be taken as serious companies, then aren't we the consumers? Don't consumers have the right to know what goes into the products that they are consuming?


Are you joking ?

Do you pay for ITG or SoTG ?

No, their sponsors do, because they know we are watching these shows. The audience is obviously important, I don't know how you can think otherwise.

But the stream is completely free, so this sense of entitlement is ridiculous. You're not paying to watch anything...
Dodge arrows
Owii
Profile Joined July 2010
United States357 Posts
June 29 2011 12:05 GMT
#1210
On June 29 2011 20:31 legatus legionis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2011 20:24 Owii wrote:
On June 29 2011 20:12 rareh wrote:
On June 29 2011 20:03 Owii wrote:
On June 29 2011 10:23 jmbthirteen wrote:
I find it funny that people think they deserve full transparency in situations where they aren't involved in at all.


How are we not involved? If Complexity and EG and etc are to be taken as serious companies, then aren't we the consumers? Don't consumers have the right to know what goes into the products that they are consuming?


Are you joking ?

Do you pay for ITG or SoTG ?

This isn't a issue related with a mouse of steelseries which happens to be sponsors of EG or anything like that...


Steelseries is a financial backer. ITG makes its money through advertising dollars. So I watch ITG -> Steelseries makes money through the added awareness of their products -> Steelseries pays ITG. The flowchart is not hard to wrap your head around. ITG needs viewers in order to pay for itself. Therefore, the viewers are consumers.


He understands that they are consumers. That's not what he is talking about. He is responding to the very last sentence. "Don't consumers have the right to know what goes into the products that they are consuming?" No ofcourse not. Because it's not an actual product you use, it's a service product. With a manufactured product like cosmetics you have the "right" to demand some sort of test be done on the chemicals so that when you make the decision to literally consume it, those chemicals won't scar your skin for life. With service products, those kinds of things aren't the case, and demanding to have insight into how everything is run is absolutely ludacris. There are only a few cases where a company is legally obliged to open their books which is for annual financial reports for the state or their shareholders or when there is some sort of criminal case that needs to be sorted and the authorities and enforce their searching rights in the name of the law.
Do read between the lines, obviously I'm not completely correct in my wording but it's for the general line of the story, which should be pretty accurate.


Edit:

Wish I could stop clicking on these threads but alas. The topic is interesting but I got incredibly frustrated reading some comments after making a post to appeal to reason in the SotG thread. From what I watched today on ITG, luckily I'm on the same page.

There's so many people getting mad and spouting quite offensive "reasoning" around. Hell I was almost tempted to qoute and point some fingers last night but that would've just been way too saddening. There was actually some guys randomly coming into what otherwise would've been a decent discussion regarding the topic, just to present an incredibly skewed and biased argument with faulty logic and no real points involved to just lash out and put more wood on the fire. While I have no problem respecting someone's opinion, it's when their floor breaks when I step on it do I get annoyed. Why don't you give yourself those values or demand a certain standard, so that you're whole argument would weight more and you, just like me, would then also fall through the floor and thus not post that shit.

Incase this doesn't actually make sense. Some of the people I'm talking about now, didn't even know the name of the shows they were bashing incredibly hard based on a ton of assumptions they were stating as facts, without providing the necesairly proof or unfalterable logic to make it such.

I don't like that at all and that is really bad. In general, I think people should seriously stop caring about these little things in the way they do. It's because they see it differently and thus respond in a different manner but that to me jsut indicates that there is a big disconnect happening. I'm at a loss how to pre-emptively get everyone on a similar perspective before indulging in discussions like this.
While I do feel it is sort of fair to discuss these things in a serious and caring manner, especially when there is something tangible regarding the whole situation, which I believe there isn't yet. So if you are one of those who are sincere, I ask of you to keep those who don't take it serious, those who truly only bring hurt, in check. Because that is the kind of stuff that does hurt us all.

Maybe that's a rediculous request or wish, especially since I wouldn't know how that is even going to work, but I do feel it's very important to point out because those kinds of pokes into the oven really heat up the fire, only risking the bread to get burned and not actually contributing to the bake.


Was all of your edit directed at me? Because this is the first time I've commented in the thread, and I definitely wasn't trolling, and I do take it seriously. I'm just a SC2 fan who is saddened that the biggest NA podcast is now on hiatus, and since I am a part of the target audience of that show, just want to know why. I now know at least most of the story, see that all parties involved erred in some way, but not intentionally, and I've accepted it all and moved on.

My only point of contention was that the viewers of this content have a reasonable expectation of inclusion in what's going on. We got that last night during ITG. My issue isn't with EG, wheat, JP, Inc, or any of them, it's with the post that I originally quoted who said that it was unreasonable for the community to demand an explanation.
Copenap
Profile Joined October 2010
723 Posts
June 29 2011 12:05 GMT
#1211
On June 29 2011 20:54 TheSubtleArt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2011 20:19 blackone wrote:
On June 29 2011 20:12 rareh wrote:
On June 29 2011 20:03 Owii wrote:
On June 29 2011 10:23 jmbthirteen wrote:
I find it funny that people think they deserve full transparency in situations where they aren't involved in at all.


How are we not involved? If Complexity and EG and etc are to be taken as serious companies, then aren't we the consumers? Don't consumers have the right to know what goes into the products that they are consuming?


Are you joking ?

Do you pay for ITG or SoTG ?

No, their sponsors do, because they know we are watching these shows. The audience is obviously important, I don't know how you can think otherwise.

But the stream is completely free, so this sense of entitlement is ridiculous. You're not paying to watch anything...


That is one of the worst mentalities in the SC2 community...

"You don't pay for it with $, so don't even dare to criticise anything."

When it's benefitting for someone it's always the "we have to make esports happen together" approach, but as soon as the community is burdensome in a certain matter people go with the "it's for free, stfu" or the "non of your business" arguement...

Duravi
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1205 Posts
June 29 2011 12:15 GMT
#1212
"You don't pay for it with $, so don't even dare to criticise anything."

When it's benefitting for someone it's always the "we have to make esports happen together" approach, but as soon as the community is burdensome in a certain matter people go with the "it's for free, stfu" or the "non of your business" arguement...


I agree with this, and I think in general the community does not weigh too heavily on the negative side like some people think. If you look at something like the difference between the response to MLG Dallas and Columbus you can see when things are bad the community is quick to fuel the fire but when things are great it is also quick to heap praise. The same happens with new casters and drama situations like this. There are apologists and there are trolls, but most people fall somewhere in between which is good.
legatus legionis
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands559 Posts
June 29 2011 12:17 GMT
#1213
On June 29 2011 21:05 Owii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2011 20:31 legatus legionis wrote:
On June 29 2011 20:24 Owii wrote:
On June 29 2011 20:12 rareh wrote:
On June 29 2011 20:03 Owii wrote:
On June 29 2011 10:23 jmbthirteen wrote:
I find it funny that people think they deserve full transparency in situations where they aren't involved in at all.


How are we not involved? If Complexity and EG and etc are to be taken as serious companies, then aren't we the consumers? Don't consumers have the right to know what goes into the products that they are consuming?


Are you joking ?

Do you pay for ITG or SoTG ?

This isn't a issue related with a mouse of steelseries which happens to be sponsors of EG or anything like that...


Steelseries is a financial backer. ITG makes its money through advertising dollars. So I watch ITG -> Steelseries makes money through the added awareness of their products -> Steelseries pays ITG. The flowchart is not hard to wrap your head around. ITG needs viewers in order to pay for itself. Therefore, the viewers are consumers.


He understands that they are consumers. That's not what he is talking about. He is responding to the very last sentence. "Don't consumers have the right to know what goes into the products that they are consuming?" No ofcourse not. Because it's not an actual product you use, it's a service product. With a manufactured product like cosmetics you have the "right" to demand some sort of test be done on the chemicals so that when you make the decision to literally consume it, those chemicals won't scar your skin for life. With service products, those kinds of things aren't the case, and demanding to have insight into how everything is run is absolutely ludacris. There are only a few cases where a company is legally obliged to open their books which is for annual financial reports for the state or their shareholders or when there is some sort of criminal case that needs to be sorted and the authorities and enforce their searching rights in the name of the law.
Do read between the lines, obviously I'm not completely correct in my wording but it's for the general line of the story, which should be pretty accurate.


Edit:

Wish I could stop clicking on these threads but alas. The topic is interesting but I got incredibly frustrated reading some comments after making a post to appeal to reason in the SotG thread. From what I watched today on ITG, luckily I'm on the same page.

There's so many people getting mad and spouting quite offensive "reasoning" around. Hell I was almost tempted to qoute and point some fingers last night but that would've just been way too saddening. There was actually some guys randomly coming into what otherwise would've been a decent discussion regarding the topic, just to present an incredibly skewed and biased argument with faulty logic and no real points involved to just lash out and put more wood on the fire. While I have no problem respecting someone's opinion, it's when their floor breaks when I step on it do I get annoyed. Why don't you give yourself those values or demand a certain standard, so that you're whole argument would weight more and you, just like me, would then also fall through the floor and thus not post that shit.

Incase this doesn't actually make sense. Some of the people I'm talking about now, didn't even know the name of the shows they were bashing incredibly hard based on a ton of assumptions they were stating as facts, without providing the necesairly proof or unfalterable logic to make it such.

I don't like that at all and that is really bad. In general, I think people should seriously stop caring about these little things in the way they do. It's because they see it differently and thus respond in a different manner but that to me jsut indicates that there is a big disconnect happening. I'm at a loss how to pre-emptively get everyone on a similar perspective before indulging in discussions like this.
While I do feel it is sort of fair to discuss these things in a serious and caring manner, especially when there is something tangible regarding the whole situation, which I believe there isn't yet. So if you are one of those who are sincere, I ask of you to keep those who don't take it serious, those who truly only bring hurt, in check. Because that is the kind of stuff that does hurt us all.

Maybe that's a rediculous request or wish, especially since I wouldn't know how that is even going to work, but I do feel it's very important to point out because those kinds of pokes into the oven really heat up the fire, only risking the bread to get burned and not actually contributing to the bake.


Was all of your edit directed at me? Because this is the first time I've commented in the thread, and I definitely wasn't trolling, and I do take it seriously. I'm just a SC2 fan who is saddened that the biggest NA podcast is now on hiatus, and since I am a part of the target audience of that show, just want to know why. I now know at least most of the story, see that all parties involved erred in some way, but not intentionally, and I've accepted it all and moved on.

My only point of contention was that the viewers of this content have a reasonable expectation of inclusion in what's going on. We got that last night during ITG. My issue isn't with EG, wheat, JP, Inc, or any of them, it's with the post that I originally quoted who said that it was unreasonable for the community to demand an explanation.


I'm sorry for that, no only the first part was in reponse to you. The edit was purely something I wanted to say but didn't want to do it in a new post. It popped up briefly but because I was still writing I dismissed thinking about that you could take it as being directed towards you.

And I agree with your point, when Geoff first announced it on SotG it did raise an eyebrow and I thought it was a bit wierd, considering the lack of explanation. So I totally agree with that, it would've been a lot better if it could've been handled a bit differently.

For me, my only care is how some people go about doing this or the arguments they use for it.
isleyofthenorth
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Austria894 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-29 12:18:57
June 29 2011 12:17 GMT
#1214
On June 29 2011 20:51 Jiddra wrote:
Is this a culture thing or what, the "SC2 drama" is always about the NA scene? The sad thing is that so often it is about such small and unimportant issues, there is so much better things to create drama about.



yeah americans love drama and fights, thats what i feel too

E: i'm not trying to be offensive. just chill a bit like us euros :_D
Tegin
Profile Joined November 2010
United States840 Posts
June 29 2011 12:21 GMT
#1215
On June 29 2011 20:11 SushilS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2011 19:55 rareh wrote:
On June 29 2011 10:01 quiet noise wrote:
On June 29 2011 09:54 provrorsbarn wrote:
I think that its a bit "low" (for a lack of a better word) to start a total ripoff show of State of the game just so you can earn more money through sponsorship.... (or whatever the reason was)
by setting up an almost identical show....and also taking one of the most important part of STOG (incontrol and also idra) and mash it into a new show.....
It looks really bad in my eyes......
not cool EG.....

i dont really care im just happy its lead by djWHEAT and not JP.


This definitely, JP is one of the worst hosts ever.

Get a clue or Shut up , man... JP is awesome!!

I agree with him being a bad host. It seemed like it was always awkward when he talked, he didn't have much of anything to add to any of the topics, and overall I think djWHEAT as a host and as a commentator is far superior.

I respect what JP started and I respect his role in the community and I wish him the best of luck in the future. But I do think he needs to improve in both areas if he wants to be the "mainstream" show for the SC2 community.
Pain is weakness leaving the body.
TheSubtleArt
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada2527 Posts
June 29 2011 12:21 GMT
#1216
On June 29 2011 21:05 Copenap wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2011 20:54 TheSubtleArt wrote:
On June 29 2011 20:19 blackone wrote:
On June 29 2011 20:12 rareh wrote:
On June 29 2011 20:03 Owii wrote:
On June 29 2011 10:23 jmbthirteen wrote:
I find it funny that people think they deserve full transparency in situations where they aren't involved in at all.


How are we not involved? If Complexity and EG and etc are to be taken as serious companies, then aren't we the consumers? Don't consumers have the right to know what goes into the products that they are consuming?


Are you joking ?

Do you pay for ITG or SoTG ?

No, their sponsors do, because they know we are watching these shows. The audience is obviously important, I don't know how you can think otherwise.

But the stream is completely free, so this sense of entitlement is ridiculous. You're not paying to watch anything...


That is one of the worst mentalities in the SC2 community...

"You don't pay for it with $, so don't even dare to criticise anything."

When it's benefitting for someone it's always the "we have to make esports happen together" approach, but as soon as the community is burdensome in a certain matter people go with the "it's for free, stfu" or the "non of your business" arguement...


You're creating a straw man here. Critiquing something and giving feedback with the intention of helping it improve is great, I don't think anyone will deny that. What I'm talking about is people who get genuinely offended because not every single fact is disclosed to them or because they don't agree with every decision or motivation behind something. If you don't pay something you're not entitled to anything regarding it. EG doesn't have to tell you everything that went on behind the scenes of these two podcasts. If you don't like what they're doing then fine, don't watch.

Well intentioned criticism is great, it helps products improve and lets people who create this content know what the community (their audience) thinks and wants. However, if the content is completely free, don't think you're entitled to anything and don't think djwheat, JP, Incontrol, and SirScoots are morally obligated to listen to you and be 100% transparent.
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karpo
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1998 Posts
June 29 2011 12:25 GMT
#1217
On June 29 2011 21:21 Tegin wrote:
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On June 29 2011 20:11 SushilS wrote:
On June 29 2011 19:55 rareh wrote:
On June 29 2011 10:01 quiet noise wrote:
On June 29 2011 09:54 provrorsbarn wrote:
I think that its a bit "low" (for a lack of a better word) to start a total ripoff show of State of the game just so you can earn more money through sponsorship.... (or whatever the reason was)
by setting up an almost identical show....and also taking one of the most important part of STOG (incontrol and also idra) and mash it into a new show.....
It looks really bad in my eyes......
not cool EG.....

i dont really care im just happy its lead by djWHEAT and not JP.


This definitely, JP is one of the worst hosts ever.

Get a clue or Shut up , man... JP is awesome!!

I agree with him being a bad host. It seemed like it was always awkward when he talked, he didn't have much of anything to add to any of the topics, and overall I think djWHEAT as a host and as a commentator is far superior.

I respect what JP started and I respect his role in the community and I wish him the best of luck in the future. But I do think he needs to improve in both areas if he wants to be the "mainstream" show for the SC2 community.

I'm pretty sure SotG is considered THE show in SC2 up until Incontrol quit.
Tegin
Profile Joined November 2010
United States840 Posts
June 29 2011 12:29 GMT
#1218
I agree, but that's because of the members of the show, not JP. Anyone watch SC Center with him and chobopeon? Didn't think so:/
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karpo
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1998 Posts
June 29 2011 12:31 GMT
#1219
On June 29 2011 21:29 Tegin wrote:
I agree, but that's because of the members of the show, not JP. Anyone watch SC Center with him and chobopeon? Didn't think so:/

I've read alot of the SotG thread and i've seen practically no whine about JP, so i'm guessing most people enjoy it.
Jadu
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden54 Posts
June 29 2011 12:32 GMT
#1220
For those who want the vod, it's still possible to watch the stream vod as the blip.tv vod isn't up yet.
http://sv.justin.tv/onemoregametv/b/289071245
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