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On April 07 2011 08:37 Jimoteh wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2011 08:24 Saechiis wrote:On April 07 2011 08:20 Jimoteh wrote:
Is it possible that this was a custom game played on slow speed? I've never tried, but I assume you can do that and the replay will play on 'faster'. You think OP would mistake playing a custom game on slowest possible settings with a ladder match on fastest? Good first post  I'm just saying, if you play on slow you can pull this kind of micro off and look inhumanly fast. Would the OP do that, upload it and pretend it's a ladder game? Probably not, but it's possible.
You signed up to teamliquid to say OP could have made a custom slow game, somehow lured a high level player into it, microed perfectly without selecting units and telling his opponent to maintain a playing speed that would seem believeable when replayed on fastest speed, only to make a thread here and pretend he's the other player and claim he's been victimized by hacks.
Profit?
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Right now in SC2 you can't really outplay someone severely enough to counter a smart player with a maphack. It's not exactly like in BW where Day9 could crush some BGH scrub while granting him vision and only using lurkers. Blizzard has to get really, really tough on hackers.
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On April 07 2011 08:46 Drowsy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2011 08:38 floor exercise wrote:Here's what the zerg overlay looks like: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/cjJKh.png) You decide what it makes and whether to inject and make overlords as well Well. I am not laddering until there's a patch or a post from Blizzard addressing this. Totally shocked something like this could be created, but I'm sure they'll respond quickly.
I doubt the micro and macro part of it can be patched. Those parts would be out of game resources such as a timer and taking screenshots. Not laddering is a bit of an over reaction as I don't think you will run into this often if at all. If you do run into it you can submit a report against them, which is probably a lot better than inaction (assuming no one else does). The hack doesn't seem complicated and I'm not too surprised that it sprouted up, but I hope the next ban wave catches as close to 100% of the hackers as possible.
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On April 07 2011 08:20 StoLiVe wrote:
I would be interesting to see his account. I can't call him an hacker if he only do that with custom game
It was a ladder game... What custom game are you talking about?
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On April 07 2011 08:46 Drowsy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2011 08:38 floor exercise wrote:Here's what the zerg overlay looks like: You decide what it makes and whether to inject and make overlords as well Well. I am not laddering until there's a patch or a post from Blizzard addressing this. Totally shocked something like this could be created, but I'm sure they'll respond quickly.
Going by Blizzard's history with hacks, all they'll do is just issuing ban waves every year or so. Unfortunately, you'll just have to accept that because the hacks will never go away and dealing with hacks has never seemed to be high on Blizzard's priorities.
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I really think its hard to tell what this guy is, I don't think he is, just because yes it is possible to micro at 500 or 600 apm, if it was a program I would think that it would unburrow as soon as the roach reaches 100 hp, and he did lose quite a few roaches. As for people saying he injects without looking at his base, I see no problem with that, he could be VERY good at mechanics and you can inject by selecting the queen and v clicking where your hatch is on the mini-map, Infact I would probably use my macro keyboard and assign a G-Key to do 9 v M1 click and just leave my mouse over my hatchery. It just seems like it wouldn't be a computer it's too obvious.
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On April 07 2011 08:54 Frozenhelfire wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2011 08:46 Drowsy wrote:On April 07 2011 08:38 floor exercise wrote:Here's what the zerg overlay looks like: You decide what it makes and whether to inject and make overlords as well Well. I am not laddering until there's a patch or a post from Blizzard addressing this. Totally shocked something like this could be created, but I'm sure they'll respond quickly. I doubt the micro and macro part of it can be patched. Those parts would be out of game resources such as a timer and taking screenshots. Not laddering is a bit of an over reaction as I don't think you will run into this often if at all. If you do run into it you can submit a report against them, which is probably a lot better than inaction (assuming no one else does). The hack doesn't seem complicated and I'm not too surprised that it sprouted up, but I hope the next ban wave catches as close to 100% of the hackers as possible.
Warden (Blizzard's anticheat program) checks for programs running in the background, that's the whole point of it being there.
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its obviously a bot.. it's like Athene's replay where he beats the insane ai's or whatever, if you watch that replay its obvious bot like this one
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On April 07 2011 08:59 Gheed wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2011 08:54 Frozenhelfire wrote:On April 07 2011 08:46 Drowsy wrote:On April 07 2011 08:38 floor exercise wrote:Here's what the zerg overlay looks like: You decide what it makes and whether to inject and make overlords as well Well. I am not laddering until there's a patch or a post from Blizzard addressing this. Totally shocked something like this could be created, but I'm sure they'll respond quickly. I doubt the micro and macro part of it can be patched. Those parts would be out of game resources such as a timer and taking screenshots. Not laddering is a bit of an over reaction as I don't think you will run into this often if at all. If you do run into it you can submit a report against them, which is probably a lot better than inaction (assuming no one else does). The hack doesn't seem complicated and I'm not too surprised that it sprouted up, but I hope the next ban wave catches as close to 100% of the hackers as possible. Warden (Blizzard's anticheat program) checks for programs running in the background, that's the whole point of it being there.
It would seem that an experienced hacker would be able to hide his program from warden. It would be silly to do that, though, if he makes it obvious by letting his apm get up to 800. An oversight or he just doesn't care IMO
On April 07 2011 09:01 Dubz wrote:
its obviously a bot.. it's like Athene's replay where he beats the insane ai's or whatever, if you watch that replay its obvious bot like this one
Dont give him more credit than is due. He just abused the AI a little in a way that anyone can do with some practice.
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On April 07 2011 08:57 HFcinfinity wrote:
I really think its hard to tell what this guy is, I don't think he is, just because yes it is possible to micro at 500 or 600 apm, if it was a program I would think that it would unburrow as soon as the roach reaches 100 hp, and he did lose quite a few roaches. As for people saying he injects without looking at his base, I see no problem with that, he could be VERY good at mechanics and you can inject by selecting the queen and v clicking where your hatch is on the mini-map, Infact I would probably use my macro keyboard and assign a G-Key to do 9 v M1 click and just leave my mouse over my hatchery. It just seems like it wouldn't be a computer it's too obvious.
he burrows individual roaches without having them selected
he injects not only without looking at his hatchery, but without having his queen even selected
he does things that are physically impossible. And by that I don't mean "Jaedong could do this if he switched over to SC2". I mean it's literally physically impossible because there's no way to inject without having your queen selected.
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On April 07 2011 07:38 majestouch wrote:
first off this is the wrong forum for hacking posts (there is a thread for it search "tl hacker database" i'm too lazy to link you to it)
2nd, why were you playing 1v1 on gutterhulk-- a 2v2 map?
3rd, did you register an account to just make this post?
lastly, since you got 3 strikes from me I'm simply not going to look at the replay, however, that is odd he went from 40apm to 700, however, quite hillarious nonetheless.
700 APM is possible? good god.
On topic, yes it looks suspicious.
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On April 07 2011 09:01 Jimmeh wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2011 08:57 HFcinfinity wrote:
I really think its hard to tell what this guy is, I don't think he is, just because yes it is possible to micro at 500 or 600 apm, if it was a program I would think that it would unburrow as soon as the roach reaches 100 hp, and he did lose quite a few roaches. As for people saying he injects without looking at his base, I see no problem with that, he could be VERY good at mechanics and you can inject by selecting the queen and v clicking where your hatch is on the mini-map, Infact I would probably use my macro keyboard and assign a G-Key to do 9 v M1 click and just leave my mouse over my hatchery. It just seems like it wouldn't be a computer it's too obvious. he burrows individual roaches without having them selectedhe injects not only without looking at his hatchery, but without having his queen even selectedhe does things that are physically impossible. And by that I don't mean "Jaedong could do this if he switched over to SC2". I mean it's literally physically impossible because there's no way to inject without having your queen selected.
I didn't realize this. If it is true that is so fucking cool. Why would someone with these skills choose to abuse vs random kids in sc2 i cannot begin to guess.
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On April 07 2011 08:57 HFcinfinity wrote:
I really think its hard to tell what this guy is, I don't think he is, just because yes it is possible to micro at 500 or 600 apm, if it was a program I would think that it would unburrow as soon as the roach reaches 100 hp, and he did lose quite a few roaches. As for people saying he injects without looking at his base, I see no problem with that, he could be VERY good at mechanics and you can inject by selecting the queen and v clicking where your hatch is on the mini-map, Infact I would probably use my macro keyboard and assign a G-Key to do 9 v M1 click and just leave my mouse over my hatchery. It just seems like it wouldn't be a computer it's too obvious.
Im not sure how dense you are. But ill humour you. May i see a replay of someone well known microing at 500-800 apm and doing perfect injects? Without the queen selected?
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On April 07 2011 09:01 Dubz wrote:
its obviously a bot.. it's like Athene's replay where he beats the insane ai's or whatever, if you watch that replay its obvious bot like this one
On April 07 2011 09:01 gogogadgetflow wrote:Dont give him more credit than is due. He just abused the AI a little in a way that anyone can do with some practice.
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On April 07 2011 09:04 gogogadgetflow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2011 09:01 Jimmeh wrote:On April 07 2011 08:57 HFcinfinity wrote:
I really think its hard to tell what this guy is, I don't think he is, just because yes it is possible to micro at 500 or 600 apm, if it was a program I would think that it would unburrow as soon as the roach reaches 100 hp, and he did lose quite a few roaches. As for people saying he injects without looking at his base, I see no problem with that, he could be VERY good at mechanics and you can inject by selecting the queen and v clicking where your hatch is on the mini-map, Infact I would probably use my macro keyboard and assign a G-Key to do 9 v M1 click and just leave my mouse over my hatchery. It just seems like it wouldn't be a computer it's too obvious. he burrows individual roaches without having them selectedhe injects not only without looking at his hatchery, but without having his queen even selectedhe does things that are physically impossible. And by that I don't mean "Jaedong could do this if he switched over to SC2". I mean it's literally physically impossible because there's no way to inject without having your queen selected. I didn't realize this. If it is true that is so fucking cool. Why would someone with these skills choose to abuse vs random kids in sc2 i cannot begin to guess.
you're really just not getting it
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On April 07 2011 09:01 gogogadgetflow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2011 08:59 Gheed wrote:On April 07 2011 08:54 Frozenhelfire wrote:On April 07 2011 08:46 Drowsy wrote:On April 07 2011 08:38 floor exercise wrote:Here's what the zerg overlay looks like: You decide what it makes and whether to inject and make overlords as well Well. I am not laddering until there's a patch or a post from Blizzard addressing this. Totally shocked something like this could be created, but I'm sure they'll respond quickly. I doubt the micro and macro part of it can be patched. Those parts would be out of game resources such as a timer and taking screenshots. Not laddering is a bit of an over reaction as I don't think you will run into this often if at all. If you do run into it you can submit a report against them, which is probably a lot better than inaction (assuming no one else does). The hack doesn't seem complicated and I'm not too surprised that it sprouted up, but I hope the next ban wave catches as close to 100% of the hackers as possible. Warden (Blizzard's anticheat program) checks for programs running in the background, that's the whole point of it being there. It would seem that an experienced hacker would be able to hide his program from warden. It would be silly to do that, though, if he makes it obvious by letting his apm get up to 800. An oversight or he just doesn't care IMO
Warden is basically a list of programs that it checks your computer for. It's pretty much legal spyware; you can't "hide" something from it, you can only create newer and newer hacks to get ahead of the curve. I guarantee any hack that random TL members could find easily with google is in Warden's library. Blizzard bans in huge waves partly to entrap those who would hack, but also to keep those who actually make the hacks in the dark as to whether or not their hack has been added to the list yet.
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With overlord speed and ventral sacs the bot would only loose roches that get one-shotted.
Gladly i dont think there is to much money to be made with bots so it won't end like DiabloII.
Sadly things like this will make automated online tournaments for money a joke.
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Damn that's pretty crazy. This is worse than maphacking. At least with maphacks, you could still beat him with good macro and control. With computer assisted micro this is kind of stupid.
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On April 07 2011 08:57 Sein wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2011 08:46 Drowsy wrote:On April 07 2011 08:38 floor exercise wrote:Here's what the zerg overlay looks like: You decide what it makes and whether to inject and make overlords as well Well. I am not laddering until there's a patch or a post from Blizzard addressing this. Totally shocked something like this could be created, but I'm sure they'll respond quickly. Going by Blizzard's history with hacks, all they'll do is just issuing ban waves every year or so. Unfortunately, you'll just have to accept that because the hacks will never go away and dealing with hacks has never seemed to be high on Blizzard's priorities.
SC2 is still really new though, they're usually really good about banning hackers right away when the game is still new.
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I'd like to know how he injects with his queen without selecting his queen.
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