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dsperg
Profile Joined January 2011
United States37 Posts
April 06 2011 22:56 GMT
#21
IN CASE YOU DON'T KNOW:

New maphacks can lock replay cameras so you won't be able to see him looking through the FOW. Check to see if his screen stops moving around at some random location in his base, probably checkin out yours.
sicajung
Profile Joined June 2010
United Kingdom297 Posts
April 06 2011 22:56 GMT
#22
On April 07 2011 07:54 Marradron wrote:
There is a project making a programmed AI using directly Direct x 3d pipeline to detect units/ everything on the screen. This seems to be a very elaborate version of some kind of programmed AI. Didn't watch the replay but what your discribing seems like framelike command precision. It could be considered a 'hack'. But this seems to not be a ladder game. The creator might just want to try it on some humans while not messing with the ladder. I'm certainly more impressed than upset by this 'hack'

edit: w00t post 1000


it is a ladder game

Version : 1.3.1.18221
Date : 2011-04-07 04:42:44
Game length : 00:15:11
Game speed : Faster
Game type : AutoMM
Format : 1v1
Gateway : America
Clients : Samyaza, UnKoWnSkiLL
Map name : The Shattered Temple
Map file : 5e/42/5e426597c525ac57d6a67bae00345517f37e070039b1f34d9d8142d57566af74.s2ma
Map size : 160x160
Map playable size: 132x134
Alokiya
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States648 Posts
April 06 2011 22:58 GMT
#23
What league was this in? If it was diamond/masters, it's not entirely impossible that you played someone who doesn't apm spam and is just really good at micro. Nothing in there was concrete that he was hacking, just insanely good micro really, but who knows, maybe there is some bot that auto burrows your low health roaches.
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StateSC2
Profile Joined September 2010
Korea (South)621 Posts
April 06 2011 22:58 GMT
#24
There definitely were some shenanigans with that roach micro, and it's obviously a third party program. Watch his unit selection while during that big battle -- he has his larvae selected, and he's making more roaches. While he's selecting his larvae, any roach that hits red burrows -- there's no possible way he could have done that.
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Spacekyod
Profile Joined December 2010
United States818 Posts
April 06 2011 22:59 GMT
#25
Well... He did effectively pull you away from your spine crawlers... but WOW. That level of micro was insane, along with the sudden surge up to 600+ apm. That was almost inhuman to watch from his perspective.
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HowSoOnIsNow
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada480 Posts
April 06 2011 22:59 GMT
#26
July had a momentary apm of 818 once, but i doubt it was for that long. If it wasn't on the ladder and the guy is testing his AI program, there's nothing wrong with that.
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ch33psh33p
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
7650 Posts
April 06 2011 23:00 GMT
#27
On April 07 2011 07:59 HowSoOnIsNow wrote:
July had a momentary apm of 818 once, but i doubt it was for that long. If it wasn't on the ladder and the guy is testing his AI program, there's nothing wrong with that.


OP mislabled replay, it was a ladder game on Shattered Temple
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Charger
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2405 Posts
April 06 2011 23:02 GMT
#28
On April 07 2011 08:00 ch33psh33p wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2011 07:59 HowSoOnIsNow wrote:
July had a momentary apm of 818 once, but i doubt it was for that long. If it wasn't on the ladder and the guy is testing his AI program, there's nothing wrong with that.


OP mislabled replay, it was a ladder game on Shattered Temple


I think sc2replayed.com automatically messes it up on any new map, at least it has for me as well.
It's easy to be a Monday morning quarterback.
FaiL_SaFe
Profile Joined February 2011
United States104 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-06 23:03:38
April 06 2011 23:02 GMT
#29
On April 07 2011 07:59 HowSoOnIsNow wrote:
July had a momentary apm of 818 once, but i doubt it was for that long. If it wasn't on the ladder and the guy is testing his AI program, there's nothing wrong with that.


I have to disagree with this. Even if it wasn't a ladder game it strikes me as a fairly unsportsmanlike move to test an AI on an unsuspecting player. At the least he should have told you if he was testing an AI and he should just have done testing with his friends.

Also, is this actually allowed, even if it isn't on ladder?

[Edit] If its on ladder there is no way in hell this should be allowed.
sicajung
Profile Joined June 2010
United Kingdom297 Posts
April 06 2011 23:03 GMT
#30
i just googled abt this and its surreal how much illegal software available freely for sc2. hopefully blizzard will handle this problem soon otherwise, ladder will be dead especially on lower level.
Sein
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1811 Posts
April 06 2011 23:05 GMT
#31
This is pretty crazy. I think we might be seeing bots dominating online tournaments in a few months if these guys figure out how to make it not so blatantly obvious.
dsperg
Profile Joined January 2011
United States37 Posts
April 06 2011 23:05 GMT
#32
On April 07 2011 08:03 sicajung wrote:
i just googled abt this and its surreal how much illegal software available freely for sc2. hopefully blizzard will handle this problem soon otherwise, ladder will be dead especially on lower level.


I just did this as well. Amazing what some simple Googling pulls up.

Is it just me or have there been a lot more hacker threads popping up recently?
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
April 06 2011 23:06 GMT
#33
Okay things I found suspicious.

1. The roach micro. I don't think anybody will disagree with me when I say that it's essentially impossible to do that while not having the roaches selected in the first place.
2. Injects. I don't think that even the best player in the world after 20 minutes of macroing would have missed ZERO injects by even one second on 2 base while doing any build even under no pressure. It only looks stranger when you check out the roach battle. Even then no missed injects.
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Sein
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1811 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-06 23:08:18
April 06 2011 23:06 GMT
#34
On April 07 2011 08:05 dsperg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2011 08:03 sicajung wrote:
i just googled abt this and its surreal how much illegal software available freely for sc2. hopefully blizzard will handle this problem soon otherwise, ladder will be dead especially on lower level.


I just did this as well. Amazing what some simple Googling pulls up.

Is it just me or have there been a lot more hacker threads popping up recently?


It's not just you, and I'm guessing it's somewhat indicative of increasing number of hackers.

On April 07 2011 08:06 Amui wrote:
Okay things I found suspicious.

1. The roach micro. I don't think anybody will disagree with me when I say that it's essentially impossible to do that while not having the roaches selected in the first place.
2. Injects. I don't think that even the best player in the world after 20 minutes of macroing would have missed ZERO injects by even one second on 2 base while doing any build even under no pressure. It only looks stranger when you check out the roach battle. Even then no missed injects.


Not missing a single inject during the entire game while keeping up 600apm roach micro. I think the ultimate zerg king of starcraft has finally descended.
Kantutan
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1319 Posts
April 06 2011 23:06 GMT
#35
I rarely download replays but couldn't resist this one... That was certainly quite interesting. The micro part is quite extraordinary although possible to do in reality if you just really are that good. I don't think anyone is that good to have such flawless control right now, though. The evo chambers point towards cheating more than the micro.

On a side note, imagine the day when micro like that becomes the standard for being the best.
NikonTC
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom418 Posts
April 06 2011 23:08 GMT
#36
700 peak sc2 APM but it takes him 3/4 seconds to scroll slowwwlllllllllyyyyyy up the map and box the other roaches that arrived. Standard.
"IdrA crushes the marine push, absolutely demolishes this 2 rax play. Would not be suprised to see a GG from IdrA at any moment" Day[9]
lotny
Profile Joined February 2011
Poland154 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-06 23:18:56
April 06 2011 23:11 GMT
#37
It looks like he's using something that autoburrows his roaches when they get to low health. He doesn't even click on them individually. Watch the battle at 17:25.

edit: Oh and during that battle he doesn't click on his queens (and he doesn't have them hotkeyed either) while still spending their whole energy.
XsebT
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Denmark2980 Posts
April 06 2011 23:12 GMT
#38
Cho gosu.
Haha, that was quite interesting to watch!
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theLiminator
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada57 Posts
April 06 2011 23:13 GMT
#39
Insane
I can dance all day.
uGpMaCbOi
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada9 Posts
April 06 2011 23:14 GMT
#40
i cant wrap my head around it i questioned him about those things and he had no reply to them = /
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