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gogogadgetflow
United States2583 Posts
On April 07 2011 09:06 Dubz wrote: -- you're really just not getting it ok I admit I've never watched an athene replay. I dont get why he would release a botted replay when he can just abuse the AI to victory anyways... so I made an assumption. my bad. OT I watched the replay just now and I thought it was pretty fucking cool. Maybe its more common than I think because I've never googled for hacks -.- | ||
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Xolo
Canada107 Posts
Just be glad that we had a few months of the game being more or less 'pure', before these hacks start to dominate to the point that ladder is nearly unplayable legit. | ||
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nalgene
Canada2153 Posts
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TOCHMY
Sweden1692 Posts
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GhettoSheep
United States150 Posts
Obviously to do perfect injects he had to at some point select the queens. The scary thing is, this program does it so fast, and returns to his previous selection, that you actually can't see it happen... because thats over 1000 real apm. This is actually impossible, in fact MANY KEYBOARDS CANT EVEN IMPUT OVER 500 APM, even if you hold down you command center hotkey. To actually do what hes doing, with a human being, he would need to play with more apm than actually holding down a key. If he could really do this he would be one of the best player's in the world. The fastest typing speed every recorded was 216 words per minute (around 1000 "actions/characters" a minute). This guy is "playing" faster than that, and he has only one hand on the keyboard. | ||
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Lochat
United States270 Posts
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lulzury
United States236 Posts
That's all I've got. | ||
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dLKnighT
Canada735 Posts
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zJayy962
1363 Posts
The program he is using: 1. Burrows roaches after they fall below 45 health and unburrow them after they reach full. 2. The program works only if he has the roaches highlighted. His roaches only burrow and unburrow if he has them selected. 3. He never scouted your base or the lings or the banelings coming but he knew all of the harassments were coming. 4. His queens were perfectly injecting even though he never selected them. 5. His queens continued to inject while no selecting of the queens is necessary. 6. His program does not do his upgrades because his upgrades were delayed. | ||
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Demonace34
United States2493 Posts
No human can burrow and move roaches like that, the program that micros obviously has a threshold it puts on how low the hp of a roach can get before burrowing. The only time roaches die is when they are being spotted by the overseer burrowed or when roaches pile on an enemy roach and spit so much damage the program can't burrow the unit in time. Doesn't scout with an overseer til the 16 min mark....standard for someone with 600 apm. -.- You can even tell that this guy isn't a top player with his screen movement and army movement. 3 evo chambers blindly to block early speedling baneling pressure into roach. Has a ton of defense but still decides to build a ton of roaches early for no reason. Makes an expansion that isn't used for 5 min of the game while piling roaches on the ramp. The list goes on forever. | ||
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Cyber_Cheese
Australia3615 Posts
On April 07 2011 08:48 Saechiis wrote: You signed up to teamliquid to say OP could have made a custom slow game, somehow lured a high level player into it, microed perfectly without selecting units and telling his opponent to maintain a playing speed that would seem believeable when replayed on fastest speed, only to make a thread here and pretend he's the other player and claim he's been victimized by hacks. Profit? given how horrible the macro of both players was, i doubt this was the case anyway (well they probably just needed more larvae to spend all of that money) its really really impressive micro, botted or otherwise i immediately think of how awesome the hack is and how it could be improved (if it is indeed a hack), is that just me? (eg. wtf burrow under an enemy overseer) i assume the evo chambers were entirely for blocking | ||
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Rhyme
United States1069 Posts
I can't wait for the day when a real person micros like that. | ||
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TOCHMY
Sweden1692 Posts
On April 07 2011 09:30 lulzury wrote: . At 16:48 somehow he knew you had already killed the rocks to his third. If you watch closely, he scouts his opponent and see that he have brought down his rocks to the 3d and then he thought "oh i might do that aswell while im idle". atleast thats what i think. I don't think he's maphacking, its very hard to see if somebody is maphacking if he's doing it well. There's so many explanations for doing stuff that looks a bit fuzzy. | ||
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c0ldfusion
United States8293 Posts
On April 07 2011 09:04 gogogadgetflow wrote: I didn't realize this. If it is true that is so fucking cool. Why would someone with these skills choose to abuse vs random kids in sc2 i cannot begin to guess. I'm with you on this. This is extremely curious to me from an intellectual perspective. I can't even imagine how someone would begin to program something like this. | ||
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MuteZephyr
Lithuania448 Posts
I'm torn. The roach micro clearly did not seem right to me. I'm pretty convinced there's some third party something going on there. For the queen injects, he may have had some keyboard macro written where you can recall a series of actions after the first time you do it (like recording it). That way, he may have done the mini-map inject the first time, and then just hit a key to do it insanely fast after that. I don't think it's 100% bot though. There was distinct human like elements that showed up at times. His inject was late by a few seconds when he was attacked, there was a very random spam click roach move pattern when defending, etc. Pretty crazy though, I'd like to know what's exactly going on here. | ||
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padfoota
Taiwan1571 Posts
Also, I dont see why people think its so amazing to make a hack like this. Its pretty much the same as writing an AI, when you try to do macro. Roach micro -> When unit Hp < X, R+Move Command X distance towards Base This of course is provided that you have them all selected or something. I imagine a marine micro split will be somewhat similar. Bind a function to a key that orders all marines to immediately move x distance away from other marines. Im not a programmer myself, but these codes are definetely not impossible to write, and probably not hard if you know how. | ||
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dLKnighT
Canada735 Posts
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UpHeaVaL
Canada57 Posts
On April 07 2011 09:37 c0ldfusion wrote: I'm with you on this. This is extremely curious to me from an intellectual perspective. I can't even imagine how someone would begin to program something like this.  and thats why you can't, and never will... | ||
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Talack
Canada2742 Posts
His injects are "perfect", look at the queen energy, soon as it's @ 25 it goes off. "WHILE" he is microing the ever living hell out of those roaches and spawning units. The roach micro? doable, but not the way he's doing it. His entire army is on one hotkey and I don't really see him single targeting and burrowing roaches. This is doable though, no doubt about it. But doing this "while" you're injecting and macroing? Impossible for a human. | ||
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Panzamelano
Colombia248 Posts
and for those saying that the micro can be done by a human.... he went up to 700 apm Steady... remember thats sc2 apm so thats way more than 700... thats not possible for a human using only 1 hand on the keyboard... the keyboard would break before he could do that. | ||
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