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ImFromPortugal
Profile Joined April 2010
Portugal1368 Posts
April 07 2011 01:22 GMT
#141
On April 07 2011 08:03 sicajung wrote:
i just googled abt this and its surreal how much illegal software available freely for sc2. hopefully blizzard will handle this problem soon otherwise, ladder will be dead especially on lower level.



imagine a bot winning sc2 tourns
Yes im
Morbidius
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil3449 Posts
April 07 2011 01:26 GMT
#142
This really shows how powerful roach micro can be...
I think someone like july could pull this off in a real game.
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Crazysane
Profile Joined December 2010
United States28 Posts
April 07 2011 01:27 GMT
#143
I think he was definitely hacking. If you notice, the roaches only unburrow when they're at full or near to full health. Also, he pulled all the red hp roaches away at the exact times, so I definitely think that some hacking is going on.
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ImmortalTofu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1254 Posts
April 07 2011 01:29 GMT
#144
On April 07 2011 08:03 sicajung wrote:
i just googled abt this and its surreal how much illegal software available freely for sc2. hopefully blizzard will handle this problem soon otherwise, ladder will be dead especially on lower level.


Holy crap, its true. I Googled, and found at least 5 maphacks that claimed to be undetectable, observer panel, and macro/micro bots... How sad for the people who would actually use that to get ladder wins... It makes me a sadpanda!
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sureshot_
Profile Joined August 2010
United States257 Posts
April 07 2011 01:44 GMT
#145
No doubt: hacking. The injects were very weird as well. For the first half of them he manually selected each queen and injected on time, but later in the game his camera wouldn't pan to each base, yet the queens would continue to inject.
Soluhwin
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1287 Posts
April 07 2011 02:01 GMT
#146
On April 07 2011 08:43 Sensator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2011 08:38 Soluhwin wrote:
On April 07 2011 08:32 Sein wrote:
On April 07 2011 08:28 FaiL_SaFe wrote:
Am I the only one who doesn't get why anyone would want all these hacks? (I mean obviously in my opinion it takes a special kind of asshole to cheat or hack in general).

It seems like all of this stuff takes all human functions out of the game. Why bother to play when all you are going to do is watch as the computer takes care of everything for you.


Winning games and obtaining high ranks. A lot of people would do anything for those.


But it is impossible to compete with that higher rank if you don't have skill to back it up....I agree with FaiL_SaFe. I really don't see why people do this.


... That is why they hack, they are not skilled so they substitute skill with hacks...


Perhaps I was unclear: There are 2 basic reasons to play sc2, money and entertainment. Sure those are pure extremes but bare with me. If this person was playing for entertainment, well I don't see how the games are fun if you just have a bot win it for you. If you were playing for money, then the large production values involved in tournys like, say, the NASL, would catch you one way or another. Just look at the number of spectators, even in this thread alone. It would be impossible to bot your way to a legitimate career.
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Ghost-z
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1291 Posts
April 07 2011 02:02 GMT
#147
I would be interested in a SC2 AI Only Tournament!
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kinetic_skink
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia125 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-07 02:13:23
April 07 2011 02:03 GMT
#148
He likes TL:

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http://us.battle.net/sc2/en-us/forum/topic/2353105723?page=2#25

TL.net is a great place to lurk and use the search feature.. I use the search feature a lot...But I would never ever post on a forum run by a bunch of crappy moderators. Most of them moderating TL.net are just too up themselves for their own good. A bit like gamefaqs.While a posh girl who thinks she is too great might keep looking into a mirror.TL.net moderators go around thinking about how their bans really mean something.
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L3gendary
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1470 Posts
April 07 2011 02:04 GMT
#149
He doesn't need to look thru the fog of war he can just look at the minimap.
You could easily prove it was a hack because he has all the roaches selected despite borrowing/unborrowing 1 at a time.
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Sein
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1811 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-07 02:08:56
April 07 2011 02:07 GMT
#150
On April 07 2011 11:01 Soluhwin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2011 08:43 Sensator wrote:
On April 07 2011 08:38 Soluhwin wrote:
On April 07 2011 08:32 Sein wrote:
On April 07 2011 08:28 FaiL_SaFe wrote:
Am I the only one who doesn't get why anyone would want all these hacks? (I mean obviously in my opinion it takes a special kind of asshole to cheat or hack in general).

It seems like all of this stuff takes all human functions out of the game. Why bother to play when all you are going to do is watch as the computer takes care of everything for you.


Winning games and obtaining high ranks. A lot of people would do anything for those.


But it is impossible to compete with that higher rank if you don't have skill to back it up....I agree with FaiL_SaFe. I really don't see why people do this.


... That is why they hack, they are not skilled so they substitute skill with hacks...


Perhaps I was unclear: There are 2 basic reasons to play sc2, money and entertainment. Sure those are pure extremes but bare with me. If this person was playing for entertainment, well I don't see how the games are fun if you just have a bot win it for you. If you were playing for money, then the large production values involved in tournys like, say, the NASL, would catch you one way or another. Just look at the number of spectators, even in this thread alone. It would be impossible to bot your way to a legitimate career.


Your definition of "entertainment" does not necessarily apply to everyone else. Some people find just winning a bunch of games fun even if they cheated to achieve it. Some people really like ranking high on the ladder and bragging to their friends about it.

Of course, some people take pleasure in just ruining other people's day by cheating.
sicajung
Profile Joined June 2010
United Kingdom297 Posts
April 07 2011 02:07 GMT
#151
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/search?f=post&a=Samyaza#170&s=time

i would say hes a pretty active poster in bnet forums.
Subversion
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
South Africa3627 Posts
April 07 2011 02:08 GMT
#152
On April 07 2011 07:48 majestouch wrote:
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On April 07 2011 07:44 Roggay wrote:
It is humanly impossible to micro correctly with 500+ apm, because you will actually hurt yourself more than anything, the fact that he did well in the fight is enough to prove that he was a cheater.

yes you're right, july was never clocked at 900 apm while playing broodwar. you sir are right. And i mean, all the people you see with 350 constant apm in sc2 don't really have 350 x 4 = 1400/3 = 470ish REAL apm.

lol are you trolling or so oblivious and ignorant its not even funny?


Regardless, you could never use 600 APM just to burrow roaches.
thezergk
Profile Joined October 2009
United States492 Posts
April 07 2011 02:12 GMT
#153
Has anyone stopped to think that maybe the Zerg are starting to gain independence? Maybe the creatures are being tired of being enslaved by the flying cursor and have begun acting independently to dominate the ladder.
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Highwinds
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada955 Posts
April 07 2011 02:14 GMT
#154
On April 07 2011 10:44 sureshot_ wrote:
No doubt: hacking. The injects were very weird as well. For the first half of them he manually selected each queen and injected on time, but later in the game his camera wouldn't pan to each base, yet the queens would continue to inject.


Im not saying you're wrong that he wasnt hacking.

But I will say you can inject larvae while not looking at your base via V clicking hatcheries on the minimap.
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Aletheia27
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States267 Posts
April 07 2011 02:27 GMT
#155
um if he really had like 700 apm i suppose for the burrowing he could be using the wireframes and going like

1, click on wire frame, R, 1 possibly fast enough to not be recorded or whatever...idk....what's most telling to me is that he starts making a drone at exactly 0:00...you need to be pretty fast for that...but uh, idk i think this is actually pretty interesting as it's made me at least consider what other possible micro mechanics I can implement in my own games to be more efficient
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kinetic_skink
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia125 Posts
April 07 2011 02:27 GMT
#156
On April 07 2011 11:14 Highwinds wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2011 10:44 sureshot_ wrote:
No doubt: hacking. The injects were very weird as well. For the first half of them he manually selected each queen and injected on time, but later in the game his camera wouldn't pan to each base, yet the queens would continue to inject.


Im not saying you're wrong that he wasnt hacking.

But I will say you can inject larvae while not looking at your base via V clicking hatcheries on the minimap.



True. Can you also explain how he does it without actually selecting the queens at all?
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Zelniq
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States7166 Posts
April 07 2011 02:31 GMT
#157
it's not even a question of "whether or not it is a hack"..you dont need to look at the context or the rest of the game, he could have 300 apm all game and that "micro" is actually impossible to do. every single time a roach got to a certain low hp it burrowed and moved away, every single time a burrowed roach got to a nice green hp it unburrowed, and at several points in that long fight it's clear it's actually impossible given the other commands he was doing, such as right clicking away from that area to move other roaches.

may or may not be related: from what I heard, ever since season 2 came up, previously banned users are able to login and play.
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MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
April 07 2011 02:32 GMT
#158
The guy has 700 APM because he held down the burrow key with a very high repeat.
Kinda like when zerg hold the hotkey to make lings and this peaks their APM at the repeat delay.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
April 07 2011 02:36 GMT
#159
Maybe the guy's practicing for the future SC2 AI competitions?

Yea...it's pretty darn obvious he's hacking. If he's not, then we would've heard about him by now through his sweeps of GSL, TSL, NASL, MLG, etc...
sJarl
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland1699 Posts
April 07 2011 02:38 GMT
#160
If hack: Very impressed by the coding, but the build order was terrible.

If no hack...
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