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noezke
Profile Joined September 2010
England514 Posts
March 23 2011 16:19 GMT
#61
Personally i find 90% of GSL games inc the finals to be very very dull to the point were i didnt even bother watching this season. But i have to say i LOVE the GSTL and the format alot more and find it way more entertaining.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Calas
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom33 Posts
March 23 2011 16:20 GMT
#62
I think the drama and rivalry really powers the GSTL. There's little real conflict in the GSL besides finals.
[GiTM]-Ace
Profile Joined September 2002
United States4935 Posts
March 23 2011 16:22 GMT
#63
team league is always more exciting. You get to see players you don't really see taking out big names. And come on who doesn't love to watch there favorite player or any player just all kill a team.

I even love the other format where it comes down to Ace match all the time.Team league is just exicting in general
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LanTAs
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1091 Posts
March 23 2011 16:22 GMT
#64
GTSL gives a chance for other Code B or lower guys to show the world what they are capable of, and that certainly surprises people, like for example, Squirtle: he performed the first AK and also placed very well in the IEM finanls. Slayers_Alica and Jjob also showed potential in the GTSL and also showed how freaking good they are even before they went into Code A tournament.

GTSL SOO ENTERTAINING!! LOVE ITT
barkles
Profile Joined May 2010
United States285 Posts
March 23 2011 16:26 GMT
#65
Anyone who watched competitive broodwar can tell you how awesome the teamleague format is. I think the only thing holding GSTL back right now is that the league just isn't high profile enough, and they don't have a long-running season like Proleague. These are both things that can probably change in time, so I'm looking forward to more GSTL in the future.
adius
Profile Joined May 2007
United States249 Posts
March 23 2011 16:38 GMT
#66
Not that it makes his post any less dumb, but Shinobi was saying that the lack of 2v2 or 3v3 tournaments shows that people aren't interested in any kind of team oriented format, including all-kill and ace game and whatever else, not that pro team games are 2v2 or 3v3 matches. Not defending him, just trying to get people to read more carefully before jumping down someone's throat.
Maskedsatyr
Profile Joined September 2010
Singapore1245 Posts
March 23 2011 16:39 GMT
#67
On March 24 2011 01:18 Boundless wrote:
LOL at that guy who thought GSTL was actually 2v2/3v3/4v4 and was trying to defend it.....

I really liked watching last season's GSTL, haven't got around to buying my VOD ticket for this season's yet. However, I don't think I've found it more exciting than GSL, but probably on at least equal level. I'm a hugely competitive individual, and most of my favourite sports/games are as such. I identify with a 1v1, I enjoy watching the mental games that occur between two players over the course of five or seven games, and all other aspects of individual competition. That's why I enjoyed the S4 finals more than any finals before it, since MVP played the perfect mental/intimidation games against MKP, and we are all familiar with the results.

Also, the players don't seem to take GSTL as seriously....

I guess I'll take this opportunity to say it, we need longer matches in both the team and individual leagues. In GSL, from the Ro8 on should be Bo7 format imo, with the finals being a Bo9. That way you can get different playstyles in there, and enjoy the players fighting it out mentally, trying to throw the other guy off his game.


Not sure if the players seem to take GSTL lightly but if that is indeed true it might have to do with the much smaller prize pool.
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ch33psh33p
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
7650 Posts
March 23 2011 16:39 GMT
#68
On March 24 2011 01:38 adius wrote:
Not that it makes his post any less dumb, but Shinobi was saying that the lack of 2v2 or 3v3 tournaments shows that people aren't interested in any kind of team oriented format, including all-kill and ace game and whatever else, not that pro team games are 2v2 or 3v3 matches. Not defending him, just trying to get people to read more carefully before jumping down someone's throat.


But there ARE plenty of teamleagues outside the GSTL.

SGL? GPL? People ARE interested in this kind of format.

Shinobi just had no idea what he was talking about, and commuted Teamleague with 2v2/3v3/4v4
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Frankon
Profile Joined May 2010
3054 Posts
March 23 2011 16:52 GMT
#69
On March 24 2011 01:39 ch33psh33p wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2011 01:38 adius wrote:
Not that it makes his post any less dumb, but Shinobi was saying that the lack of 2v2 or 3v3 tournaments shows that people aren't interested in any kind of team oriented format, including all-kill and ace game and whatever else, not that pro team games are 2v2 or 3v3 matches. Not defending him, just trying to get people to read more carefully before jumping down someone's throat.


But there ARE plenty of teamleagues outside the GSTL.

SGL? GPL? People ARE interested in this kind of format.

Shinobi just had no idea what he was talking about, and commuted Teamleague with 2v2/3v3/4v4

SGL, GPL had only one major drawback. It wasnt winer stays format.
adius
Profile Joined May 2007
United States249 Posts
March 23 2011 16:52 GMT
#70
On March 24 2011 01:39 ch33psh33p wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2011 01:38 adius wrote:
Not that it makes his post any less dumb, but Shinobi was saying that the lack of 2v2 or 3v3 tournaments shows that people aren't interested in any kind of team oriented format, including all-kill and ace game and whatever else, not that pro team games are 2v2 or 3v3 matches. Not defending him, just trying to get people to read more carefully before jumping down someone's throat.


But there ARE plenty of teamleagues outside the GSTL.

SGL? GPL? People ARE interested in this kind of format.

Shinobi just had no idea what he was talking about, and commuted Teamleague with 2v2/3v3/4v4


Yeah like I said, it was still a crazy post, probably even worse than what people thought he meant, but people need to slow down and read more carefully nonetheless.
OverZero
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States271 Posts
March 23 2011 16:58 GMT
#71
I agree with the OP, I find GSTL infinitely more exciting than the individual GSL. Maybe it's because I'm American, or what not, but I find all the drama and ceremonies really awesome (however corny they may be). I also enjoy the mind games that go on between the teams in choosing who will play. And, I think overall the games are much more exciting because players aren't worried about playing an entire best of 3 or 5. They are just trying to win one game at a time, and because of that you tend to see different games, rather than whatever is going on in the "metagame".
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novabossa
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States350 Posts
March 23 2011 17:09 GMT
#72
There is definitely a new source of excitement coming from Team League that simply cannot be achieved by individual competition. I know I'm always excited to see who they send out against who, especially if they pit two players with a history against each other.

Plus there's always the all-kill prospect, which is fun to watch
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Tiax;mous
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
669 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-23 17:12:47
March 23 2011 17:11 GMT
#73
I personally LOVE GSTL , and gotta admit GSL looks pretty boring to me after GSTL ( at least first few rounds )

But I also believe , GSL format is better for players individual improvement and achieving perfection since you know your opponent and can train against that race/player specifically for weeks/days. This kinda grants faster improvement and guarantees much much better games in future ( not yet because after examining their opponent that much , players are generally able to kill them by exploiting their early-mid game weaknesses these days )

I would love to see GSTL prize and size getting bigger tho , kinda on par with GSL. GSL will always be the real deal , the tournament you watch to see perfect plays and stuff , but GSTL will always be more fun/easy to watch especially if/when they grow some grudge between teams and players
Senx
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Sweden5901 Posts
March 23 2011 17:12 GMT
#74
GSTL feels more important and exciting because you have team pride besides the already established player pride and rivalry
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Musou
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
1375 Posts
March 23 2011 17:14 GMT
#75
There's a reason that even back in BW people consider PL more important than individual leagues like OSL and MSL. While there is individual prestige to be had, players and coaches tend to care more about how their team is doing in PL. Also, many people are fans of teams and not individual players, so people tend to show up and get more excited over a team battle than an individual competition. PL finals has traditionally had a larger viewing audience than any individual league finals. I'd love it if GOM came out with a SC2 PL, with a similar format. The all-kill format is fun and exciting, but not when it happens every season. I think if they copied the PL format from BW, where the league lasts about 9 months, with multiple rounds and a normal format, with one or two rounds being all-kill format and a postseason for the top teams afterward, that it would be far more exciting and beneficial to the SC2 scene. However, GOM has stated previously that they do not intend to have a full team league, so who knows whether it will happen.
RushBoxer!
Profile Joined September 2010
United States173 Posts
March 23 2011 17:17 GMT
#76
The Drama in the GSTL is awesome and has so far been really exciting. But nothing determines skill better than a player winning the GSL.
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eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
March 23 2011 17:17 GMT
#77
I think the GSTL's entertainment comes from the drama of the winner's league system, the introduction of new players who aren't in GSL, and the looseness and creativity of the builds compared to normal GSL games.

It was fun to see Bomber BM Losira during the last GSTL finals, both in-game and physically. Watching SlayerS throw player after player against MC to take down the 2-time GSL champion also brought a ton of entertaining drama. All-kills are always awesome.

Back in BW, the first televised game for many top players often came not from individual leagues but instead from the Proleague games. Players like IMSeed, SlayerS_Ryung, and SlayerS_Min never really appeared in the GSL individual leagues, yet their icebreaker game in the GSTL really showed that they are formidable players with tons of potential and definitely worth watching whenever they fight their way into the GSL or any other tournament.

Also, I really enjoyed the creativity in many of the builds used in the GSTL. IMSeed wowed us with brilliant hallucination usage, trickery, and mind games. Squirtle dazzled us with excellent macro play and cool mothership usage. SlayerS_Min built over 100 banelings and caused nergasms all over the world when he nuked TOP's army with them. When a player's individual status in the league isn't at stake and there are still many kills left before a victory, many creative builds are sure to appear to entertain the audience and cheer on the team.

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dukethegold
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada5645 Posts
March 23 2011 17:21 GMT
#78
On March 24 2011 01:39 Maskedsatyr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2011 01:18 Boundless wrote:
LOL at that guy who thought GSTL was actually 2v2/3v3/4v4 and was trying to defend it.....

I really liked watching last season's GSTL, haven't got around to buying my VOD ticket for this season's yet. However, I don't think I've found it more exciting than GSL, but probably on at least equal level. I'm a hugely competitive individual, and most of my favourite sports/games are as such. I identify with a 1v1, I enjoy watching the mental games that occur between two players over the course of five or seven games, and all other aspects of individual competition. That's why I enjoyed the S4 finals more than any finals before it, since MVP played the perfect mental/intimidation games against MKP, and we are all familiar with the results.

Also, the players don't seem to take GSTL as seriously....

I guess I'll take this opportunity to say it, we need longer matches in both the team and individual leagues. In GSL, from the Ro8 on should be Bo7 format imo, with the finals being a Bo9. That way you can get different playstyles in there, and enjoy the players fighting it out mentally, trying to throw the other guy off his game.


Not sure if the players seem to take GSTL lightly but if that is indeed true it might have to do with the much smaller prize pool.


In Brood War, Proleague is of a higher priority than individual leagues as the players are playing under the name of their corporate sponsors, thus advertising their backers who pay their salaries.

The same will be true if corporations start claiming the ownership of the teams.
NrG.NeverExpo
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada2114 Posts
March 23 2011 17:22 GMT
#79
i 100% agree. I love the team setting a lot more than 1v1 games. Representing your team and working together is always fun to watch. It's more than just an individual effort, but sometimes we'll get lucky and see an all-kill! Maybe I'm like this because most of the sports I grew up loving revolved around teamplay (Hockey, soccer, football) but I feel we need more of this stuff :D
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Firereaver
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
India1701 Posts
March 23 2011 17:24 GMT
#80
On March 24 2011 00:06 Shinobi1982 wrote:
If people wanted teamgames there would be pro 2v2, 3v3, 4v4 tournaments. Do you currently see any? Face it the top players in each team will mostly dislike the idea where mediocre players would love the idea to have an opportunity to win titles with their team based game.

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