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On March 24 2011 00:11 tyCe wrote:
Team leagues are always more exciting than individual leagues unless it's the semi-finals or finals with the best players IMO. The most anticipated date in the BW calendar is the Proleague finals, followed by the Winner's League finals and FvJ OSL/MSL finals.
Don't forget KT vs SKT in Pro-League with OOV gorilla talk etc.
I would like a Pro-League like environement much much much more than a GSL every month.
It gives lesser known players the chance to show of their skills, learn to deal with the pressure etc.
Also much much more to cheer for, learning to identify with each team, starting REAL rivalries and so much more.
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On March 24 2011 00:16 Armsved wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2011 00:13 Shinobi1982 wrote:
I know very well what he means by teamgames. But 2v2, 3v3, 4v4 are meant by blizz to be teamgames. What does MC for example gain from (gstl) teamgames? Admit you didnt know it, because If you knew it, your first post was pretty fucking retarded (Just like this one) I think GSL TL is waaaaay more exiting than normal GSL. I really love the personality, the BM and the ceremonies.
Only excited because you have the whole team standing there with you so you can do crazy shit and not get any smack for it. GSTL* is testing ground where GSL is true competition.
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GSTL have alot less to loose individually, so you see the more funky tactics.
Also you can just stick in the game since you are playing just that game, not a BO3 or BO5 personally. The Maka vs Rainbow game would have ended in GSL already, Maka would have tapped out and saved his energy for the upcomming 2 games. Bomber vs MMA the same.
You are see alot more tactics that you normally dont see. I think they want to entertain the audience more then in GSL. GSL is about getting far and cashing. GSTL is more about doing well as a team and having fun.
For me its
GSL => Skill
GSTL => Funfactor
Also I loooove the rivalries between them. Poking here, thumbsdowning there, dancing in front of the benches if you won. Thats hilarious and the crowd loves it. (however when MC mannarnexuses July, all the people complain about mannar...)
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On March 24 2011 00:19 Shinobi1982 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2011 00:16 Armsved wrote:On March 24 2011 00:13 Shinobi1982 wrote:
I know very well what he means by teamgames. But 2v2, 3v3, 4v4 are meant by blizz to be teamgames. What does MC for example gain from (gstl) teamgames? Admit you didnt know it, because If you knew it, your first post was pretty fucking retarded (Just like this one) I think GSL TL is waaaaay more exiting than normal GSL. I really love the personality, the BM and the ceremonies. Only excited because you have the whole team standing there with you so you can do crazy shit and not get any smack for it. GTSl is testing ground where GSL is true competition.
I take it you didn't follow BW. So you don't know what teamleague is all about.
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On March 24 2011 00:06 Shinobi1982 wrote:
If people wanted teamgames there would be pro 2v2, 3v3, 4v4 tournaments. Do you currently see any? Face it the top players in each team will mostly dislike the idea where mediocre players would love the idea to have an opportunity to win titles with their team based game.
In the end you will get shoved single player or team games by the biggest organization. And either you love it or hate it, you will have to accept it. Imo Sc/2 is a single player competitive game.
Will probably get a lot flames for saying this...
Yes, but ironically not for the reason you thought.
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On March 24 2011 00:20 se7en247 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2011 00:19 Shinobi1982 wrote:On March 24 2011 00:16 Armsved wrote:On March 24 2011 00:13 Shinobi1982 wrote:
I know very well what he means by teamgames. But 2v2, 3v3, 4v4 are meant by blizz to be teamgames. What does MC for example gain from (gstl) teamgames? Admit you didnt know it, because If you knew it, your first post was pretty fucking retarded (Just like this one) I think GSL TL is waaaaay more exiting than normal GSL. I really love the personality, the BM and the ceremonies. Only excited because you have the whole team standing there with you so you can do crazy shit and not get any smack for it. GTSl is testing ground where GSL is true competition. I take it you didn't follow BW. So you don't know what teamleague is all about.
Don't bother with the troll, he only just realized GSTL doesn't mean 2v2/3v3/4v4, and is now trying to cover it up with bs talk.
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Proleague is what kept me in watching korean starcraft a lot so yes.
By the way, a sort of unrelated question, I havent been watching GSL that much lately (Not that closely at least) and I´m just wondering, do they have the doom-zoom in GSL yet? <3 You know the one where they zoom to the player who is losings face, so dramatic and so badass. Especially when you see how desperate they look! Small things like that make everything so much more exiting!
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On March 24 2011 00:06 Shinobi1982 wrote:
If people wanted teamgames there would be pro 2v2, 3v3, 4v4 tournaments. Do you currently see any? Face it the top players in each team will mostly dislike the idea where mediocre players would love the idea to have an opportunity to win titles with their team based game.
In the end you will get shoved single player or team games by the biggest organization. And either you love it or hate it, you will have to accept it. Imo Sc/2 is a single player competitive game.
Will probably get a lot flames for saying this...
You terribly missunderstood his point
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On March 24 2011 00:20 se7en247 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2011 00:19 Shinobi1982 wrote:On March 24 2011 00:16 Armsved wrote:On March 24 2011 00:13 Shinobi1982 wrote:
I know very well what he means by teamgames. But 2v2, 3v3, 4v4 are meant by blizz to be teamgames. What does MC for example gain from (gstl) teamgames? Admit you didnt know it, because If you knew it, your first post was pretty fucking retarded (Just like this one) I think GSL TL is waaaaay more exiting than normal GSL. I really love the personality, the BM and the ceremonies. Only excited because you have the whole team standing there with you so you can do crazy shit and not get any smack for it. GTSl is testing ground where GSL is true competition. I take it you didn't follow BW. So you don't know what teamleague is all about.
Right and here I tough it was to obvious to say it (mental note: on the nets you have to spell everything out).
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I can't really say I prefer one over the other, I'm happy that there are both a team league and an individual league because both are very cool. But putting that aside, yes GSTL has produced a lot of awesome games.
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On March 24 2011 00:23 Shinobi1982 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2011 00:20 se7en247 wrote:On March 24 2011 00:19 Shinobi1982 wrote:On March 24 2011 00:16 Armsved wrote:On March 24 2011 00:13 Shinobi1982 wrote:
I know very well what he means by teamgames. But 2v2, 3v3, 4v4 are meant by blizz to be teamgames. What does MC for example gain from (gstl) teamgames? Admit you didnt know it, because If you knew it, your first post was pretty fucking retarded (Just like this one) I think GSL TL is waaaaay more exiting than normal GSL. I really love the personality, the BM and the ceremonies. Only excited because you have the whole team standing there with you so you can do crazy shit and not get any smack for it. GTSl is testing ground where GSL is true competition. I take it you didn't follow BW. So you don't know what teamleague is all about. Right and here I tough it was to obvious to say it (mental note: on the nets you have to spell everything out).
Look at this guy go.
You're in too deep man, just admit you made an ignorant assumption.
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On March 24 2011 00:21 Slakter wrote:
Proleague is what kept me in watching korean starcraft a lot so yes.
By the way, a sort of unrelated question, I havent been watching GSL that much lately (Not that closely at least) and I´m just wondering, do they have the doom-zoom in GSL yet? <3 You know the one where they zoom to the player who is losings face, so dramatic and so badass. Especially when you see how desperate they look! Small things like that make everything so much more exiting!
They do it a little bit but they don't seem to be that good at it  They usually don't catch any good expressions atm.
Also team leagues are just special. There's something amazing about them that an individual league will never accomplish; we need one that's more "regular" or serious in SC2. An actual league, like proleague. That would be so awesome.
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Ok my last post on this topic. I like single 1v1 competition where you (during a tournament) do not have to rely on other people to win something. So the concept of Proleague never got to me. Nothing more, nothing less.
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On March 24 2011 00:30 Shinobi1982 wrote:
Ok my last post on this topic. I like single 1v1 competition where you (during a tournament) do not have to rely on other people to win something. So the concept of Proleague never got to me. Nothing more, nothing less.
Do you understand this isn't 2v2/3v3/4v4 yet?
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yay.
anyway, once the major kespa players move to sc2, we probably will have a full-fledged proleague/teamleague.
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season 1 of the gstl was already WAY more exciting than gsl
and season 2 is even better
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On March 24 2011 00:23 Shinobi1982 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2011 00:20 se7en247 wrote:On March 24 2011 00:19 Shinobi1982 wrote:On March 24 2011 00:16 Armsved wrote:On March 24 2011 00:13 Shinobi1982 wrote:
I know very well what he means by teamgames. But 2v2, 3v3, 4v4 are meant by blizz to be teamgames. What does MC for example gain from (gstl) teamgames? Admit you didnt know it, because If you knew it, your first post was pretty fucking retarded (Just like this one) I think GSL TL is waaaaay more exiting than normal GSL. I really love the personality, the BM and the ceremonies. Only excited because you have the whole team standing there with you so you can do crazy shit and not get any smack for it. GTSl is testing ground where GSL is true competition. I take it you didn't follow BW. So you don't know what teamleague is all about. Right and here I tough it was to obvious to say it (mental note: on the nets you have to spell everything out).
Everything you've said in this thread has been terribly wrong, and it's VERY PLAINLY obvious that you didn't watch much of either proleague (in BroodWar) or teamleague (SC2). In fact, I'd be willing to bet you didn't watch a single whole teamleague match.
Yes, you're that wrong that we can conclude it from your posts.
Just admit your mistake and do me a favor by watching the next teamleague event, because if you like SC2, you'll love it. Then come back and contribute to discussions.
p.s. nobody's holding your initial mistake against you, it's your stubbornness that's sticky.
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On March 24 2011 00:30 Shinobi1982 wrote:
Ok my last post on this topic. I like single 1v1 competition where you (during a tournament) do not have to rely on other people to win something. So the concept of Proleague never got to me. Nothing more, nothing less.
Seems you don't like team sports. A ton of the drama, backstory, and fun games were from Proleague. And this is Winner's League format. So if your 1v1 is soooo good, then just all-kill. Personally, I think we need a lot more of GSTL.
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I agree. Team games are much more interesting to watch!
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the GSTL would be awesome - if it weren't too much stuff in only 4 days. why not have maximum one BO7 per day over a period of 7 weeks?
I managed to watch (almost) all of it this week, but in the end of a day i always do other stuff because I simply have not the time to watch just GSTL vor 5 to 6 hours a day
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