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RaiKageRyu
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada4773 Posts
March 26 2011 04:23 GMT
#341
GSTL is overall more entertaining but I believe the focus should always be on GSL. It inherits the true competitive spirit.
Someone call down the Thunder?
Quixxotik
Profile Joined December 2010
United States54 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-26 07:58:42
March 26 2011 07:58 GMT
#342
On March 26 2011 10:50 Shinobi1982 wrote:

Show nested quote +
On March 26 2011 10:20 DannyJ wrote:
On March 26 2011 10:08 Shinobi1982 wrote:
On March 26 2011 10:04 lindn wrote:
On March 26 2011 10:00 Shinobi1982 wrote:
People still quoting my first post :D? The fact that I made a poor choice of word stands (couple it with my post on page 5 for more explanation). Just because I have not been active on this forum does not mean I have not been following the scene for years. I feel sorry for some of you who only have the entertainment part of SC/2 in mind. Mostly the ones who tune into streams to only have a LT or live chat on the side and chatting about the game rather than watching and understanding what is happening in the game. And unfortunately thats the majority of the people that are watching the streams. Think about the "top of the food-chain" players for once. Would an Idra or Morrow allow someone else to take the steering wheel on their careers? You will never hear a competitive "top of the foodchain" player say they are truly excited to play in a teamleague format (unless coupled with some serious $). Will they agree to play? YES (because of sponsors). Will they like the teamgames? dragged out yeeeeees/suuuure + /looking away.

I don't even need to quote IdrAs last interview and the guy has at least 3 times bigger fanbase than any other player on TL.net. He sums it up pretty nice: "Cut the bs I am not here to entertain people". And if you don't like the answer then its BM and drama gone too far, lol.

Also the moment GOM decides to mainly focus on GSTL instead of GSL that will be the end of foreign action in Korea. Think about all the foreigners who have an ambition to play in Korea and the ones already playing in Korea.

you blame talking about GSTL being 2v2-3v3-4v4's on poor choice of words?

People playing 2v2, 3v3, 4v4 are wasting time. Proleague/Gstl is a deviation from true (2v2...) teamgames to make it more entertaining. Again SC/2 is a single player competitive game.


I'm so confused. Do you still not know what GSTL is?

How can I say this politely...
Have you cleaned your bike lately? If not, you know what to do.


What does this even mean??

On topic : GSTL > GSL (in my opinion) because many of the best players play up against the wall. A team will pick a player who may not be so good GSL-wise, but one who is trained to "snipe" a particular player or race. The "superior" player in this case must play a semi-uphill battle against an opponent who might be using an unorthodox strategy against the observed standard play of the widely televised superior player. Sorry if this doesn't make perfect sense in terms of syntax or flow, but it's really late at night/really early in the morning and I'm tired.

EDIT : Typo.
Mintastic
Profile Joined October 2010
United States166 Posts
March 26 2011 08:13 GMT
#343
I think GSL is a good place for individuals to make their mark, but the team league simply has more entertainment value because of all the drama and backstory that fills the games.
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Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-26 08:27:49
March 26 2011 08:27 GMT
#344
GSTL Season 2

/end thread



always wanted to do that ^^
Joementum
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
787 Posts
March 26 2011 21:21 GMT
#345
On March 26 2011 17:13 Mintastic wrote:
I think GSL is a good place for individuals to make their mark, but the team league simply has more entertainment value because of all the drama and backstory that fills the games.


Not only that, but you don't see so many 1-base or 2-base timing attacks that people abuse to win. It's quite understandable why they do it in the GSL. There is $80k on the line, so it's a win any way you can type of scenario. With GSTL, it's more about fun and entertaining your team while they watch.
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R0YAL
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States1768 Posts
March 26 2011 21:40 GMT
#346
On March 26 2011 10:00 Shinobi1982 wrote:
People still quoting my first post :D? The fact that I made a poor choice of word stands (couple it with my post on page 5 for more explanation). Just because I have not been active on this forum does not mean I have not been following the scene for years. I feel sorry for some of you who only have the entertainment part of SC/2 in mind. Mostly the ones who tune into streams to only have a LT or live chat on the side and chatting about the game rather than watching and understanding what is happening in the game. And unfortunately thats the majority of the people that are watching the streams. Think about the "top of the food-chain" players for once. Would an Idra or Morrow allow someone else to take the steering wheel on their careers? You will never hear a competitive "top of the foodchain" player say they are truly excited to play in a teamleague format (unless coupled with some serious $). Will they agree to play? YES (because of sponsors). Will they like the teamgames? dragged out yeeeeees/suuuure + /looking away.

I don't even need to quote IdrAs last interview and the guy has at least 3 times bigger fanbase than any other player on TL.net. He sums it up pretty nice: "Cut the bs I am not here to entertain people". And if you don't like the answer then its BM and drama gone too far, lol.

Also the moment GOM decides to mainly focus on GSTL instead of GSL that will be the end of foreign action in Korea. Think about all the foreigners who have an ambition to play in Korea and the ones already playing in Korea.

Players dont have to choose between the two you know. The individual and team leagues dont happen at the same time. Team leagues are a bigger prize pool and the better players could just always win and if they dont then they dont deserve the win anymore than anyone else on the team.

On March 26 2011 10:08 Shinobi1982 wrote:
Proleague/Gstl is a deviation from true (2v2...) teamgames to make it more entertaining. Again SC/2 is a single player competitive game.

Deviation? Its something else entirely.. Not sure what your trying to get at.
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
sand
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States66 Posts
March 28 2011 22:16 GMT
#347
Anyone know the music they play at the intro of the GSTL video?

http://www.gomtv.net/2011gstl2/vod/63470

Talking the techno music that plays during the intro which shows the team insignias.
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