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Maskedsatyr
Profile Joined September 2010
Singapore1245 Posts
March 23 2011 15:39 GMT
#41
Lol at Shinobi1982...

Anyway, GSTL is so much more awesome than GSL and I didn't think anything could beat GSL. I would love if GOM made the GSTL more extensive and in a league format instead of single elimination.

Besides the obvious excitement it brings to the viewers, it might also be better for the teams as they will be able to obtain more sponsorships as a team. There's only so much exposure a company can get from individual players. Whereas in a team league the sponsors can be advertised on the intro videos, the jerseys and stuff.
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xza
Profile Joined November 2010
Singapore1600 Posts
March 23 2011 15:40 GMT
#42
well if im not wrong Taiwan has their own TESL league right so that's like an opportunity to create a sort of world team cup like once a year (champions league anyone? ). We can even expect more from the chinese players since SC2 is gonna be released in China soon.

Like sort of get 2 of the best teams in each region, KR, CN, TW, EU, SEA, US and have like an big cup event during blizzcon or something. That amount of teams with the number of blizzcon spectators would be insane.
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Turgid
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1623 Posts
March 23 2011 15:41 GMT
#43
Btw guys there's gonna be a team-based showmatch of Koreans vs the world in the World Championship ^^ It's going to rule!
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ThE_OsToJiY
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Canada1167 Posts
March 23 2011 15:41 GMT
#44
It's hardly surprising. In BW proleague was much more exciting to me than the OSL or MSL (with the exception of the finals). The same should apply to SC2. Also watching a bo7 showmatch is not nearly as exciting to me as watching a winners style CW. This is because you get more variety in styles and races and it feels like the games are more important as the entire team is involved rather than simply one player.
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JediGamer
Profile Joined August 2010
United States656 Posts
March 23 2011 15:41 GMT
#45
I like GSTL more. One of the main reasons is the whole team spirit, and guessing who they will put in next. It is pure awesome.

GSL is superb but I think this has a lot of potential and I enjoy it for the most part more than regular matches. Also seeing the coach/player relations and ofc the occasional knocking over of a monitor is cool.
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Turgid
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1623 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-23 15:42:18
March 23 2011 15:42 GMT
#46
On March 24 2011 00:41 ThE_OsToJiY wrote:
It's hardly surprising. In BW proleague was much more exciting to me than the OSL or MSL (with the exception of the finals). The same should apply to SC2. Also watching a bo7 showmatch is not nearly as exciting to me as watching a winners style CW. This is because you get more variety in styles and races and it feels like the games are more important as the entire team is involved rather than simply one player.

To be honest with you I think bo7 is just kind of a lame format. For some reason it doesn't come off as exciting as bo5 to me. It's good for team league games though.
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Krallin
Profile Joined July 2010
France431 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-23 15:44:44
March 23 2011 15:43 GMT
#47
I think that the current GSTL all-kill format would work for a long-lasting league.
Ideally, they would do as Proleague does, and implement the current proleague format in multiple-month league and having a winner's league in all-kill format.

I never really played BW, but I still find proleague entertaining and everything!
sidesprang
Profile Joined January 2009
Norway1033 Posts
March 23 2011 15:44 GMT
#48
In broodwar i prefered proleague over OSL/MSL.

I've not watched that much of GSTL as i've been busy this week, but I hope it will only get bigger and better. Because teamgames are the shit =)
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siewkeat
Profile Joined October 2010
282 Posts
March 23 2011 15:44 GMT
#49
so far the two GSTL has proven to be much more dramatic and exciting than all the 5 GSL combined.. I cant wait for the next to come..
Klive5ive
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom6056 Posts
March 23 2011 15:47 GMT
#50
Absolutely.
The team league rocks.
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ch33psh33p
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
7650 Posts
March 23 2011 15:50 GMT
#51
On March 24 2011 00:44 siewkeat wrote:
so far the two GSTL has proven to be much more dramatic and exciting than all the 5 GSL combined.. I cant wait for the next to come..


You could take almost any GSTL match set and say it has been more exciting than all the GSL finals by far.
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insolentrus
Profile Joined January 2011
Russian Federation304 Posts
March 23 2011 15:51 GMT
#52
I think GSTL is more exciting than GSL cuz of BO7 every match, not BO1 or BO3
Captain Peabody
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3137 Posts
March 23 2011 16:01 GMT
#53
Proleague is the only BW I watch these days; despite only playing and mostly watching SC2, the team-league atmosphere, the great games, and the personal connections I've formed with the players and teams keep me coming back again and again. GO SAMSUNG KHAN!

If GOM could replicate this experience in SC2, you bet I'd be all over that. It's just a smart business move.
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dukethegold
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada5645 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-23 16:07:53
March 23 2011 16:05 GMT
#54
I enjoy GSTL way more than GSL. It gives opportunities for less known players to shine, a great deal more variety in term of style, a lot more drama and fantastic player to player interaction.

I really liked those little hype interviews, and intros GOM is doing. I'd definitely say that GOM took a page out of BW proleague and improved upon it.

There are many famous Brood War players who would remain completely unknown if it were not for team league.

I found it strange that the OP did not put up a poll......
parazice
Profile Joined March 2011
Thailand5517 Posts
March 23 2011 16:11 GMT
#55
GSTL have more drama than GSL that what i like the most
myIRE
Profile Joined November 2008
Belgium229 Posts
March 23 2011 16:14 GMT
#56
I dont think one can exist without the other because when MC loses to a relative no-namer everyone is upset because MC as a champion lost to someone who we never ever heard of. But here's the problem, if there are no individual leagues or the focus is set on team leagues then MC losing to a unknown player wouldn't be such a big deal simply because we wouldn't see MC as this beastly protoss who won 2 titles in the last 3 months, you know what I mean?

I feel like having both team and individual leagues is important. That being said, I agree that maybe GSTL should be the main event, spanning across a few months and inbetween we could have the code S and code A leagues. Maybe put a bit more money in GSTL and reduce the code S money so that the wins in individual leagues are still very satisfactory for the player but that winning a team league is equally as rewarding. This way we could differentiate the teams even more, some would have these superstar individuals but not that great overall team players and other teams would have these sick guys who are just solid in playing these team bo7's.
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mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
March 23 2011 16:16 GMT
#57
Team leagues such as this have a more spectator-friendly ambience, because of how much tension is generated inbetween matches. This is why they are so exciting, and fun, in comparison to individual leagues such as the GSL.

I LOVE both.. they are both insanely fun and exciting for me, but I think the GSTL has that little something extra to it, that makes it be a little nicer. However, I think that could change when the real geniuses and stars in SC2 start rising. Yea, we have MC, MVP, nestea for now, but they don't have the star power of BW figures like Bisu, Flash, Jaedong, or July, Boxer and NaDa in their prime.

The bonjwas of SC2 have yet to appear. So SC2 can only get more exciting in times to come.
Demonace34
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2493 Posts
March 23 2011 16:16 GMT
#58
GSTL is more interesting, newer upcoming players like MMA would never shine without such a league. It seems like some of these guys should be in Code S for the amazing quality of games they display, but I'm guessing the qualifiers are so devastating to get through that one or two bad games can come back to bite you in the ass.

So far I'm going to say that both of the team leagues made for more drama and fun strategy considering how the coaches pick their lineups. Less stress for the players since everyone is relying on their team as a whole to come through. That also allows for more creative strategies to come to the surface and make SC2 a fun game to watch.

I can only imagine what it would be like if they made the team leagues a little longer (closer to 2 or 3 weeks) with more teams...etc.
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Boundless
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada588 Posts
March 23 2011 16:18 GMT
#59
LOL at that guy who thought GSTL was actually 2v2/3v3/4v4 and was trying to defend it.....

I really liked watching last season's GSTL, haven't got around to buying my VOD ticket for this season's yet. However, I don't think I've found it more exciting than GSL, but probably on at least equal level. I'm a hugely competitive individual, and most of my favourite sports/games are as such. I identify with a 1v1, I enjoy watching the mental games that occur between two players over the course of five or seven games, and all other aspects of individual competition. That's why I enjoyed the S4 finals more than any finals before it, since MVP played the perfect mental/intimidation games against MKP, and we are all familiar with the results.

Also, the players don't seem to take GSTL as seriously....

I guess I'll take this opportunity to say it, we need longer matches in both the team and individual leagues. In GSL, from the Ro8 on should be Bo7 format imo, with the finals being a Bo9. That way you can get different playstyles in there, and enjoy the players fighting it out mentally, trying to throw the other guy off his game.
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scatmango2
Profile Joined November 2010
United States408 Posts
March 23 2011 16:19 GMT
#60
I feel like the GSTL has better games overall than GSL's code A and code S division. I believe this is due to the fact we get to see many more play styles because of fresh new faces who would otherwise never get the opportunity to play in code A and code S. Also, contrary to what people may believe the players in code B who play in the GSTL are still just as good if not better in some cases than the code S superstars. SC2 isn't like WC3 where the very top players are literally untouchable, it's a much more even playing field than people will admit.
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