EPTGSTL more exciting than individual GSL? - Page 6
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arterian
Canada1157 Posts
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Tsagacity
United States2124 Posts
On March 24 2011 02:52 Shinobi1982 wrote: A few hours ago you thought GSTL was "2v2/3v3/4v4." I don't think you should be telling OTHER people what leagues are in a nutshell Revoking my "last post on this topic" to explain some things for people who are confused or unable to see the bigger picture. The whole Proleague in Korea is sponsor based and without the sponsors there would be no "pro" competition whatsoever. For sponsors in order to receive something back from their investment is much easier for them to sell teamleague competition with drama (which average Joe diggs) than it is to sell single player tournament (less drama, more competition). Now put yourself in the mind of a pro player. You are on Team (Insert Name) and you have 2 options. 1) to compete in a teamleague (backed up by sponsors) which will secure your monthly salary + more. 2) you compete in singleplayer tournaments without sponsors for lesser payday (because lets face it sponsors will not invest eternally into something that is not popular for average Joe to watch). So will a SC pro play the game he loves and get payed good for it? Or will he try to only play pure competitively without a secure payday? Now take the money out of the equation. Would a SC pro player rather play competitive SC with best possible competition or would he play a game that is not entirely controlled by the individual player itself (lol Dreamhack)? We've been shoved SC teamleague games since the beginning because it is in best interest of sponsors. Yes the players get payed well but if they could choose to get payed well AND play true competition, what will they choose? And guess what, even if you don't like something, if you constantly get swarmed by it you will learn to love it. Thats the SC Proleague for you in a nutshell.  Admit your goof and move on  Right now you're reminding me of those TV characters who trip over a bench and then try to act like they did it on purpose. | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
Each team play each team, one and half month duration like the GSL (or something like that), with an appropriate (GSL like) prize pool. The added benefit would be that the final would always be awesome and never disappointing (like 3 of the 5 GSL finals were) | ||
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Cabinet Sanchez
Australia1097 Posts
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ComTrav
United States1093 Posts
There's also a whole other strategic dimension about what player should be put in. + Show Spoiler + OGS vs. Slayers is a great example of this. OGS definitely made a mistake putting Supernova in against a player who already beat Top, an excellent TvTer, allowing SlayerS to chain all-in MC and eventually get something to stick. | ||
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Sneddo
United States277 Posts
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Datum
United States371 Posts
On March 24 2011 02:52 Shinobi1982 wrote: Revoking my "last post on this topic" to explain some things for people who are confused or unable to see the bigger picture. The whole Proleague in Korea is sponsor based and without the sponsors there would be no "pro" competition whatsoever. For sponsors in order to receive something back from their investment is much easier for them to sell teamleague competition with drama (which average Joe diggs) than it is to sell single player tournament (less drama, more competition). Now put yourself in the mind of a pro player. You are on Team (Insert Name) and you have 2 options. 1) to compete in a teamleague (backed up by sponsors) which will secure your monthly salary + more. 2) you compete in singleplayer tournaments without sponsors for lesser payday (because lets face it sponsors will not invest eternally into something that is not popular for average Joe to watch). So will a SC pro play the game he loves and get payed good for it? Or will he try to only play pure competitively without a secure payday? Now take the money out of the equation. Would a SC pro player rather play competitive SC with best possible competition or would he play a game that is not entirely controlled by the individual player itself (lol Dreamhack)? We've been shoved SC teamleague games since the beginning because it is in best interest of sponsors. Yes the players get payed well but if they could choose to get payed well AND play true competition, what will they choose? And guess what, even if you don't like something, if you constantly get swarmed by it you will learn to love it. Thats the SC Proleague for you in a nutshell. What the hell are you talking about? Many of the best progamers play in both proleagues and singles leagues, as the schedules generally don't conflict. They don't have to make a choice. On another note: As a resident of Philadelphia, I think most Americans enjoy a somewhat personal connection with their favorite atheletes. Hockey is the least popular of the 4 major sports in part because players wear masks, and you almost never see their faces. It feels imporsonal. On that same note, watching SC can sometimes feel impersonal. I truly love watching the GSL, but aside from outgoing players like Boxer, it's hard to feel as connected to a SC progamer who I see staring at a screen as I do my favorite baseball player, who I see laughing and acting like a human being. This is why I think the GSTL is a good thing. We get to watch progamers laughing and high-fiving their teammates, which humanizes them to us. As we become connected to them, we become more invested in the outcomes of their games, and thus enjoy the sport even more. | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
Say a team is playing IM and the next map is a bit terran favored. As a coach, do I send my best terran player on that map because it is terran favored? Or do I send my best PvTer instead, knowing that IM might send MVP and he's weak in that match-up? Maybe my best PvTer isn't one of my best all-around players so getting a victory over MVP while saving my players would be worthwhile. But what if IM sent a different player or somebody who plays protoss/zerg? I could be screwed if my best PvTer who I sent to snipe MVP ends up playing a race he's not good against. Team leagues introduce the concept of figuring out what your players best and worst match-ups are and what the best and worst match-ups of your opponent are. Then there's the guessing game of trying to match your best with their worst. | ||
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Papacy
United States6 Posts
Also, there's a lot more tension and anxiety 'cause of player selection. So ya, I think it's more exciting. | ||
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
who goes first, who backs up, who is ace, etc. they plan the whole thing up with who goes vs who and on what map and do what kind of strategy. and 1 person doing all-kill is more exciting than a 4-0 bo7 game. | ||
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Tschis
Brazil1511 Posts
//tx | ||
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niteReloaded
Croatia5282 Posts
On March 24 2011 02:52 Shinobi1982 wrote: Revoking my "last post on this topic" to explain some things for people who are confused or unable to see the bigger picture. The whole Proleague in Korea is sponsor based and without the sponsors there would be no "pro" competition whatsoever. For sponsors in order to receive something back from their investment is much easier for them to sell teamleague competition with drama (which average Joe diggs) than it is to sell single player tournament (less drama, more competition). Now put yourself in the mind of a pro player. You are on Team (Insert Name) and you have 2 options. 1) to compete in a teamleague (backed up by sponsors) which will secure your monthly salary + more. 2) you compete in singleplayer tournaments without sponsors for lesser payday (because lets face it sponsors will not invest eternally into something that is not popular for average Joe to watch). So will a SC pro play the game he loves and get payed good for it? Or will he try to only play pure competitively without a secure payday? Now take the money out of the equation. Would a SC pro player rather play competitive SC with best possible competition or would he play a game that is not entirely controlled by the individual player itself (lol Dreamhack)? We've been shoved SC teamleague games since the beginning because it is in best interest of sponsors. Yes the players get payed well but if they could choose to get payed well AND play true competition, what will they choose? And guess what, even if you don't like something, if you constantly get swarmed by it you will learn to love it. Thats the SC Proleague for you in a nutshell. nope, you're just a clueless noobie, and would be better off stfu-ing. | ||
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xza
Singapore1600 Posts
On March 24 2011 05:42 Tschis wrote: Just to point out, but MC wasn't going to all kill, it was 2-2 when he entered //tx woops sry didnt see that properly haha, all-kill is 4-0 right? not 3-0? | ||
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Isaac
United States810 Posts
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DannyJ
United States5110 Posts
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0neder
United States3733 Posts
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JiYan
United States3668 Posts
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SkCom
Canada229 Posts
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
Hell a lot of the team "drama" filters over into the individual tournaments anyway. Proleague got really really big in Korea and some of the rivalries and such carried over into the OSL/MSL. Only good things can come from GSTL | ||
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Rouel
Sweden138 Posts
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