GSL is boring most of the time. I mean look at the finals this time around.. I wasn't really engaged. Could be that im terran but it wasn't very entertaining. I prefer GSTL just because the winners league style is so engaging and fun to watch even if the games aren't.

Pinith

651 Posts

March 24 2011 01:00 GMT

#122

I think the single-game, play-til-you-lose format adds to the excitement, watching someone 3-kill or all-kill a team is pretty epic.

The other factor is that professional teams just do a better job of seeding than the current GSL. A professional team is going to do a better job of picking their best player for a match than the GSL points will, at least until some time has passed so players filter into the correct code (S, A, or B)

FLuE

United States1012 Posts

March 24 2011 01:02 GMT

#123

I love the team league because it is a great change of pace and the different strategies are really interesting. You also get to see a lot of lesser known players that pull out unique strategies geared specifically for their opponent.

You also get to see a bit more personality with the players. That is something I think SC2 needs more of. You need celebrations, villains, and people you root for. The GSTL seems to foster some rivalries and get the players excited. I want to see emotion when people win and lose.

I love everything about it. However, I think it would get boring if they did it to often. I love how it is used to fill the time between the GSL seasons. Right now I really enjoy it but don't want it to get to overdone... sometimes less is more right now the GSTL is paced in a good way to break things up.

darklordjac

Canada2231 Posts

March 24 2011 01:06 GMT

#124

I prefer proleague in bw over MSL/OSL just because of the amount of players we get to see and the sheer amount of games.

starcraft911

Korea (South)1263 Posts

March 24 2011 01:07 GMT

#125

GSTL is pretty awesome so far. There's been some amazing plays from people have yet to make it into Code A.

I gotta admit that when BW was still strong i was really skeptical about the chances of SC2 to impress me and I'm happy to say that SC2 is bringing it strong and I think has done justice to the SC name.

Jesushooves

Canada553 Posts

March 24 2011 01:14 GMT

#126

I am loving the teamleague, though OP should have def included a poll.

ImmortalTofu

United States1254 Posts

March 24 2011 01:24 GMT

#127

Hmmm I like GSL more because in both GSTL's oGs has lost early, and I love that team... For real though, I like GSL better because I get to see more play from the players I like rather than no-namers, and in general get to see slightly higher level play.

Basically, I love the GSTL for its entertainment value (The BM and ceremonies are amazing), but the GSL is where its at for the latest builds, trends, and timings, which is what I'm more interested in (As well as MC BM), although the GSTL HAS brought out the 3 stalker 3-gate robo.

I would much rather there be a constant winner's league type competition that occurs seperate of the GSL so I can see my favorite teams and players (as well as the up-and-coming) play even if they've been eliminated/not qualified from/for the GSL!

fusihunter

Australia208 Posts

March 24 2011 01:25 GMT

#128

Last night was the first time i'd really watched it, and i loved it

I only watched until the Bomber v MMA game finished, but that game alone was way better than alot of the GSL games.

I do like the round robin feel to it. I thought the Code S group games were a bit like this, but there's the added spice of which player plays next, and considering it can be any race, really means that the best overall player benefits most from the variety of opponents.

a9arnn

United States1537 Posts

March 24 2011 01:27 GMT

#129

GSTL is (right now) just slightly better than GSL in my opinion. Cause right now, it seems like the Ro8 was all just 1 player stomping another team (I didn't buy a ticket until after seeing if the Ro4 games were good today

) I think that GSTL would definitely benefit a lot more if they had it with more of a Proleague-style format. It would be so cool if after each GSL, they have a 'round' of GSTL.

I know that winner's league is really exciting, but after a while, I want to see some of the other players on teams. I'd like it if maybe they alternated and had like 1 'normal round' then 1 'winner's league round'. Then, at the end of the year or something, there could be a finals in a different location, let's say Gwanganri (:D).

Edit: Clarification of my definition of round.
Not what they're doing right now, but round robin style like PL.

chongu

Malaysia2586 Posts

March 24 2011 01:28 GMT

#130

Prize pool for GSTL has to be increased.... even at the cost of of lowering the prize pool of GSL ^____^ increase the air time, get sponsors for GSTL , don't have the tourney in elimination brackets..... then we finally probably have TEAM LEAGUE

SaturnAttack

United States125 Posts

March 24 2011 01:31 GMT

#131

GSTL is awesome, but there's not enough. BW Proleague delivered regular entertainment. I hope GOM or someone establishes a real league one day, playoffs and all. The current BW format is perfect but even getting close to it would be good enough for me.

Maybe one day we can have team leagues in other countries, and then a champions league like futbol? One can dream right?

FinestHour

United States18466 Posts

March 24 2011 01:31 GMT

#132

I find both to be just as good, they don't offer the same kind of entertainment and both are quite exciting either way

Goodseed

Korea (South)270 Posts

March 24 2011 01:34 GMT

#133

I love GSTL more because they finish all the matches in like 1week and we get to watch a lot of matches. GSL takes so long in between to finish all the bracket.

silentsod

United States198 Posts

March 24 2011 01:40 GMT

#134

One thing and one thing alone makes the GSTL the greater event: "She's got the eyes of a panther!"

I do enjoy the BM and outright crazy games that get played in the GSTL as it occurs much more than the GSL.

Raiznhell

Canada786 Posts

March 24 2011 01:40 GMT

#135

I would totally praise GOMtv if they made a team pro league like the BW one with a 6 round season to qualify for a top 4 playoffs (since there's only 8 teams as of right now). I don't see why having both that and the GSL at the same time could be a bad thing it would keep constant action for viewers to watch and pay for and way more opportunity for players and teams to get their names out other than in a small 4 day team tourney in between GSLs.

slothly

England20 Posts

March 24 2011 01:41 GMT

#136

I was getting pretty bored of pro starcraft until i started watching the GSTL, there is a reason why team sports tend to be vastly more popular than individual ones.

Jeremy Reimer

Canada968 Posts

March 24 2011 01:45 GMT

#137

On March 24 2011 05:01 Datum wrote:
On another note: As a resident of Philadelphia, I think most Americans enjoy a somewhat personal connection with their favorite atheletes. Hockey is the least popular of the 4 major sports in part because players wear masks, and you almost never see their faces. It feels imporsonal.

This is kind of off-topic, but hockey players don't wear masks (except the goalies) -- they wear helmets, although some have clear visors over their eyes. Their faces are pretty visible though. I think the reason Hockey isn't as big in the US has more to do with the incredible popularity of other sports like baseball and football, and the fact that (unlike in Canada) there isn't much of a culture around hockey. Up here in the frozen North we live and breathe this stuff. I can recognize all the top players by their faces, and most of the players on my home team.

On topic: I love the GSTL, but as other posters have said, we need both. You need the GSL to make the superstars so that the GSTL can make it exciting to see if they will all-kill or get taken out by a relatively unknown player. Just like in BW, where I love watching Oz put out Jaedong because I've had so much enjoyment watching him win five individual titles.

Umbrella

Taiwan936 Posts

March 24 2011 01:46 GMT

#138

I think people like GSTL more because it's appeared less frequently.

In BW, proleague/winner's league is on all the time, but I believe the individual leagues get more attention.

SharkSpider

Canada606 Posts

March 24 2011 01:47 GMT

#139

While I like GSTL, I think with SC2 in the state that it's in, I wouldn't mind seeing them go to the other method of team battles (players can play at most one game plus ace)

Would be way more strategic for the coaches, plus it would let some of the newer players shine.

TheRPGAddict

United States1403 Posts

March 24 2011 01:48 GMT

#140

The team dynamic cannot be matched. I like to see the personality in each team, and you can definitely identify the little quirks and personalities of each team and you can somewhat feel a greater bond between players that you simply do not get in the normal GSL. It also seems like the players enjoy themselves more than the normal GSLs. I would like to think because there is no possibility of a team kill but it is probably mostly because there seems to be less pressure due to the clan mentality.