EPTGrubby is one of the greatest of all time in WC3 and I think that even as a hybrid player he will do well in SC2, and if he fully switches over, I genuinely think he has potential to be one of the top 15 foreigners in the scene.
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
Grubby is one of the greatest of all time in WC3 and I think that even as a hybrid player he will do well in SC2, and if he fully switches over, I genuinely think he has potential to be one of the top 15 foreigners in the scene. | ||
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WAAA
New Zealand291 Posts
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Moa
United States790 Posts
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Keitzer
United States2509 Posts
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LittLeD
Sweden7973 Posts
WC3 and SC2 are both RTS:s, yes that is correct. Apart from that, they are quite unequal. I've played WC3 for "kinda" competitive level in about 4 years and watched the pros even longer than that, and I know for sure that there are big differences. The way you gain and contain mapcontrol, the way you handle an economy, the way you perform a fight, the way maps are layed out, the way the 'meta-game' plays out. Everything is quite different. That being said, the fundemantals of RTS is still present of course, but please, dont do the mistake to have too high expectations for Grubby once he switches over from WC3 (We had a nice time my dear, may you rest in peace) that he will perform uber-good in SC2 right away. He has the rutine of working in a pro team, he has the practice routines, and he has the spirit, so if he has motivation and really PUTS HIS SOUL into the game, then there's no doubt in my mind. But nothing here is granted. Grubby has played WC3 since its release basicly and has done pretty much everything that's due for a legand to perform. Won WCG twice, won several other big titles such as World e-Sports Masters, WSVG, Blizzcon and ESWC. He's an ESPORT Legend. That's all for me, good luck and good bye. Happy new year | ||
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Rustug
1488 Posts
He is a pro player, gaming is his livelihood, therefore if he wants to keep this lifestyle he is required to continue playing WC3 (which he loves) in order to keep his sponsors and stay on team EG. Being a Top Dog in WC3 will guarantee him access to the remaining tournaments at which most of his 'old' competitors will not be. Tournaments will probably also pay him to attend as he is 'Grubby'. This will give him peace of mind (income) and more importantly time. Now to make a smooth transition into SC2 while not being fully committed will be next to impossible, as many comments above have stated. But, were not talking about a regular WC3 competitor here. This is one of the legends of WC3. This guy CAN play RTS at TOP level consistently. I believe the most important thing for Grubby is to find his SC2 fighting spirit, which will solidify his commitment to SC2. Will this make him competitive? Good enough to beat an Idra? Time will tell, but I think he will be competing for top honors in a year. (I confess, I'm a Grubby fan)  To wrap-up, I think players like Grubby and Moon are in a different situation then, for example, DeMuslim or NightEnd. In the dying WC3 scene Grubby and Moon can still make a living. And although most people don't like to see it as 'a job', from them it is. And its wonderful that they get to play videogames and can support themselves doing it. Which in my humble opinion is the best job in the world. Happy new year, enjoy! | ||
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mnck
Denmark1518 Posts
On January 01 2011 08:06 Hinduuism wrote: If people are good at RTS then they're good at RTS. Starcraft 2 is a cool game and all but I don't understand how people think he'll fail to be successful when he's got complete domination over a game that's so similar. He doesn't need to mass 1k+ games to understand what his opponent is capable of and how to exploit it. I think a better explaination as to why the same players seem to excel at both games, is because they carry over the motivation and drive that propelled them to their position in the first time. You're not born an RTS player. Grubby is clearly a person that has the motivation and drive to keep improving at rate that have kept him as the best for many many years. If he takes over this motivation and continues having the same drive, then he could easily become one of the best foreigners ever. But it's not likely he will have the same motivation as he had when he was younger. He has already achieved being the best for years, he has fans, he have lived playing a video game for years, which I'm sure was a dream of his when he started. I doubt he will continue having same motivation to essentially do everything again, but this time with the mindset of "if I don't become the best ever, then I have not done as well as I did in WC3". I don't know how Grubby thinks, but I sure think motivation and drive are what matters the most at the highest level. If you wanna stay good, you gotta keep having the motivation you had when you were at your best ever and really excited about every achievement you get, else you will start slacking. There's no doubt however, that he will instantly break into top 200 and do well on the ladder because he is used to practicing a lot, but that is very different from showing amazing results in very big tournaments. | ||
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Fraky
Germany31 Posts
On January 01 2011 10:05 L3g3nd_ wrote: nah Zacard did all the innovation for orc, stuff like popularising raider use (now essential in all MUs, and i think zacard used BM first, was vs ToD and ToD just didnt know how to deal with a BM and so he got beaten really badly. Thats not to take anything away from Grubby ofc, he is still a god I would love to see SK.Zacard back on stage, too. Back in the early Wc3 days, in my opinion, he was more inspirational then Grubby before he had to go to the army. Anyway, I hope Gruppy switches quite fast to Sc2 so he don't fall behind that much. Also I don't think he would join the EG house in Korea after recently buying an own house with his wife. I'm imagining some tournement with Grubby, Moon, ToD and Mad.Frog right now and I get chills over my body, can't wait for that (hope for a 4k reunion, but that's too much dreaming:D) Happy New Year TL! | ||
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L3g3nd_
New Zealand10461 Posts
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Kage
India788 Posts
Grubby's strength is not his micro but his ability to think. As many pros in the SC2 scene have mentioned you don't need to click at 800 apm to be good here, you need to choose the right strategy. Aka think. That's what Grubby's best at. He takes a strategy and near perfects it. The blademaster, Farseer rush, tower rush all of this in Warcraft 3 were started by other players but it was Grubby who dominated it with his perfection. You guys are underestimating his natural perseverance and ability to innovate. And let's face it with or without Warcraft 3 Grubbys one of the most famous RTS players of history. Like Boxer. That being said, this is not a claim that he'll be the best player all time ever or something but definitely top 5 Europe in a year from now assuming he loves the game as much as he did love Warcraft 3. | ||
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FataLe
New Zealand4519 Posts
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Firkraag8
Sweden1006 Posts
On January 01 2011 06:33 Flaunt wrote: Kas, DeMusliM, Naniwa and SjoW were nothing compared to Grubby in wc3, this is basically the best of the best switching over from wc3. He's going to be one of the top players in europe in a year! This +1. Grubby isn't just any old WC3 player, he's consistently placed in top of WC3 tournaments for many many years and isn't coming out of retirement either(like MaDFroG). Don't underestimate Grubby for sure. | ||
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L3g3nd_
New Zealand10461 Posts
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hAxel
United Kingdom57 Posts
I don't know if this has already been mentioned in this thread already btw. Also take it with a pinch of salt as well maybe... MeatyOwlLegs TBH it could be anyone  | ||
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Longshank
1648 Posts
On January 01 2011 11:09 WAAA wrote: Im sure grubby would be rather dissapointed if he switches over and is only top 15 of foreigners. Honestly I think atm non korean pros are about as good as korean pros its simply a numbers game in GSL. That may change in the future but either way I dont think grubby will be happy with being a "top 15 foreigner" (really like top 30 or 40 or 50 in the world). I think as a hybrid player he will do mediocre in sc2 then 6 months after he switches he will be top 10 or 20 in world.. still not living up to his wc3 success. He has potential to be the best player in the world, just as alot of other players do, unfortunately potential isnt enough. Is there a difference between top 15 and top 5 today? I mean if people where to make a top5 list you'd get 15 or so players with about equal amount of votes. It's just that tight right now. (yeah that would work in reality since people would vote on HuK for his hoodie, TLO for being TLO and IdrA for his BM but anyways) This might change in the future though. | ||
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Fraky
Germany31 Posts
But I don't know for sure, have to search for that interview^^ | ||
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L3g3nd_
New Zealand10461 Posts
On January 01 2011 20:47 hAxel wrote: Rumor has it that this may be Grubby. I don't know if this has already been mentioned in this thread already btw. Also take it with a pinch of salt as well maybe... MeatyOwlLegs TBH it could be anyone There was talk on WCR it might be him, but everyone was just trolling, no way thats grubby. hes fucking good, but not that good. | ||
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Fraky
Germany31 Posts
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Arceus
Vietnam8333 Posts
On a side note, both Lyn & Moon refused a big wc3 tourney in China in January to participate in GSL Code A, and FOX is likely to turn down another teamleague (with over €100K prize pool). That means Moon & Lyn may still play wc3 but sc2 will be their 1st priority in 2011 | ||
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Neverplay
Austria532 Posts
On January 01 2011 11:27 LittleeD wrote: Just to clear things up for those who havnt played WC3 or knows little about it: WC3 and SC2 are both RTS:s, yes that is correct. Apart from that, they are quite unequal. I've played WC3 for "kinda" competitive level in about 4 years and watched the pros even longer than that, and I know for sure that there are big differences. The way you gain and contain mapcontrol, the way you handle an economy, the way you perform a fight, the way maps are layed out, the way the 'meta-game' plays out. Everything is quite different. That being said, the fundemantals of RTS is still present of course, but please, dont do the mistake to have too high expectations for Grubby once he switches over from WC3 (We had a nice time my dear, may you rest in peace) that he will perform uber-good in SC2 right away. He has the rutine of working in a pro team, he has the practice routines, and he has the spirit, so if he has motivation and really PUTS HIS SOUL into the game, then there's no doubt in my mind. But nothing here is granted. Grubby has played WC3 since its release basicly and has done pretty much everything that's due for a legand to perform. Won WCG twice, won several other big titles such as World e-Sports Masters, WSVG, Blizzcon and ESWC. He's an ESPORT Legend. That's all for me, good luck and good bye. Happy new year exactly :-) | ||
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