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On January 02 2011 14:02 hewtrain wrote:ban inc but i dont give a shit did you wake up on the wrong side of the fucking bed? every single post you made in this thread you sound like a fucking whining asshat, i dont give a shit how many posts you have, you are a fucking douche.. P.S Show nested quote +On January 01 2011 07:38 ffz wrote:
Stop with this bs aobut "one of the greatest ever in wc3". He is THE greatest... His micro and macro are both so amazing. Plus his mind is made for strategy. get a clue + Show Spoiler +
are you serious? Grubby has been the most consistent WC3 player of all time. Moon has only a few top finishes in the big tourneys in the last 2 year, and the last was NGL One where he came in 1st, his last good 1st place finish was IEF in 2008, pretty much the end of his good streak.
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On January 02 2011 14:02 hewtrain wrote:ban inc but i dont give a shit did you wake up on the wrong side of the fucking bed? every single post you made in this thread you sound like a fucking whining asshat, i dont give a shit how many posts you have, you are a fucking douche.. P.S Show nested quote +On January 01 2011 07:38 ffz wrote:
Stop with this bs aobut "one of the greatest ever in wc3". He is THE greatest... His micro and macro are both so amazing. Plus his mind is made for strategy. get a clue + Show Spoiler +
You wont last long here with this attitude.
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On January 02 2011 14:27 nGBeast wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2011 14:02 hewtrain wrote:ban inc but i dont give a shit On January 01 2011 08:09 travis wrote:
did you wake up on the wrong side of the fucking bed? every single post you made in this thread you sound like a fucking whining asshat, i dont give a shit how many posts you have, you are a fucking douche.. P.S On January 01 2011 07:38 ffz wrote:
Stop with this bs aobut "one of the greatest ever in wc3". He is THE greatest... His micro and macro are both so amazing. Plus his mind is made for strategy. get a clue + Show Spoiler + are you serious? Grubby has been the most consistent WC3 player of all time. Moon has only a few top finishes in the big tourneys in the last 2 year, and the last was NGL One where he came in 1st, his last good 1st place finish was IEF in 2008, pretty much the end of his good streak.
listen to yourself idiot.. 'only a few top finishes in the big tourneys in the last 2 years'.. wc3 has died down considerably in the last 2 years and the life of wc3 goes LONG beyond a span of only 2 years.. you dont mention 06-07 when grubby was copping anal from euro trash elves for a whole year?
you also just brush aside his NGL win because it suits your argument.. lmfao what a fucking joke of a post and claim..
anyone who has any idea knows moon is far and away the greatest wc3 player of all time..
as for 2nd place? then maybe we can mention grubby
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On January 02 2011 14:30 hixhix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2011 14:02 hewtrain wrote:ban inc but i dont give a shitOn January 01 2011 08:09 travis wrote:
did you wake up on the wrong side of the fucking bed? every single post you made in this thread you sound like a fucking whining asshat, i dont give a shit how many posts you have, you are a fucking douche.. P.S On January 01 2011 07:38 ffz wrote:
Stop with this bs aobut "one of the greatest ever in wc3". He is THE greatest... His micro and macro are both so amazing. Plus his mind is made for strategy. get a clue + Show Spoiler + You wont last long here with this attitude.
maybe you should read the posts you quote?
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I believe fatal1ty played several games at a top level throughout his career. I don't know anything about FPS games but if they are as different to one another as WC3 is to SC2, I don't see why it can't be done.
Maybe if he keeps up with popular timing attacks and all-ins and practises against those to get into the lategame, pure skill could take over and the lack of game knowledge would matter less.
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On January 01 2011 05:51 IPA wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2011 05:33 Kibibit wrote:
Hmm, that seems to be the fate of a decent number of top WC3 players. Moon's currently doing the same thing. I hope he doesn't do as (relatively) poorly as Moon has in trying to do both. Yeah making it deep in GSL 3 is pretty lousy. (?) Idiotic. As an 8 year WC3 player, I welcome the legends! Now we need TilleRMan to come out of retirement...
Yes, but results alone are not impressive in and of themselves, it's also the manner in which you get those results, and as much as I gush about the guy like he was Warcraft 3 jesus, nothing there had that aura of one of the greatest legends in the history of RTS. Pardon me for having high hopes for the guy. No need to be a dick about it.
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I think no. I mean, it doesn't matter what you think of WC3, I don't think it's possible to be a top pro in ANY two games, period.
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I think that Grubby will be a force at sc2 in europe right from the beginning. But I dont think that he will be able to bring a race to a new level of play like he did with orc in warcraft 3.
Regardless of the skill Grubby will have in sc2 I think its so good for the whole esports scene that these well-known names(Grubby, Madfrog, Tod) compete in sc2 tournaments because it brings excitement to the game.
The hybrid-thing I think will only be a matter of scheduling issue for Grubby because tournaments in both scenes will collide at the same time.
PS: I hope some more wc3 players will enter starcraft 2 like "remind, th0000, infi"
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On January 01 2011 07:11 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2011 07:09 KiLL_ORdeR wrote:
If an athlete like Deon Sanders can play two sports and excel at a professional level, there's no reason why a gamer can't do the same. really? you REALLY think that's comparable?
Uh, yes? That's a fine comparison.
Do you think that what Sanders did is somehow less impressive than it would be to succeed in two RTS games at the same time?
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On January 02 2011 14:33 hewtrain wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2011 14:27 nGBeast wrote:On January 02 2011 14:02 hewtrain wrote:ban inc but i dont give a shit On January 01 2011 08:09 travis wrote:
did you wake up on the wrong side of the fucking bed? every single post you made in this thread you sound like a fucking whining asshat, i dont give a shit how many posts you have, you are a fucking douche.. P.S On January 01 2011 07:38 ffz wrote:
Stop with this bs aobut "one of the greatest ever in wc3". He is THE greatest... His micro and macro are both so amazing. Plus his mind is made for strategy. get a clue + Show Spoiler + are you serious? Grubby has been the most consistent WC3 player of all time. Moon has only a few top finishes in the big tourneys in the last 2 year, and the last was NGL One where he came in 1st, his last good 1st place finish was IEF in 2008, pretty much the end of his good streak. listen to yourself idiot.. 'only a few top finishes in the big tourneys in the last 2 years'.. wc3 has died down considerably in the last 2 years and the life of wc3 goes LONG beyond a span of only 2 years.. you dont mention 06-07 when grubby was copping anal from euro trash elves for a whole year? you also just brush aside his NGL win because it suits your argument.. lmfao what a fucking joke of a post and claim.. anyone who has any idea knows moon is far and away the greatest wc3 player of all time.. as for 2nd place? then maybe we can mention grubby
Your obviously an idiot who hasn't followed wc3, or his fanboyism is to far up your ass to take a look at the acheivements lmao. NGL One was a joke compared to what NGL use to be. Grubby has consistently placed in every top tourney every year he's been a pro gamer. Also if the game has "died" then how come the "greatest" player of all time isn't winning everything? Lmao nice logic, he was good in 07, winning pretty much everything, but he's never gained that form again.
He's never even won WCG lmao. Sorry bud, but your fanboyism only takes you so far.
Edit: Grubby shit on him in WEM finals in 2009, and in WCG 2008. Grubby is also the only player to win WCG and ESWC.
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He will undoubtedly be great once he makes a serious time commitment.
Moon is really damn good already, and is still mostly a WC3 player.
WC3 is on pretty steady decline, and once Moon and Grubby make the full switch I think we'll have ourselves a couple more top SC2 players.
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On January 02 2011 14:53 nGBeast wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2011 14:33 hewtrain wrote:On January 02 2011 14:27 nGBeast wrote:On January 02 2011 14:02 hewtrain wrote:ban inc but i dont give a shit On January 01 2011 08:09 travis wrote:
did you wake up on the wrong side of the fucking bed? every single post you made in this thread you sound like a fucking whining asshat, i dont give a shit how many posts you have, you are a fucking douche.. P.S On January 01 2011 07:38 ffz wrote:
Stop with this bs aobut "one of the greatest ever in wc3". He is THE greatest... His micro and macro are both so amazing. Plus his mind is made for strategy. get a clue + Show Spoiler + are you serious? Grubby has been the most consistent WC3 player of all time. Moon has only a few top finishes in the big tourneys in the last 2 year, and the last was NGL One where he came in 1st, his last good 1st place finish was IEF in 2008, pretty much the end of his good streak. listen to yourself idiot.. 'only a few top finishes in the big tourneys in the last 2 years'.. wc3 has died down considerably in the last 2 years and the life of wc3 goes LONG beyond a span of only 2 years.. you dont mention 06-07 when grubby was copping anal from euro trash elves for a whole year? you also just brush aside his NGL win because it suits your argument.. lmfao what a fucking joke of a post and claim.. anyone who has any idea knows moon is far and away the greatest wc3 player of all time.. as for 2nd place? then maybe we can mention grubby Your obviously an idiot who hasn't followed wc3, or his fanboyism is to far up your ass to take a look at the acheivements lmao. NGL One was a joke compared to what NGL use to be. Grubby has consistently placed in every top tourney every year he's been a pro gamer. Also if the game has "died" then how come the "greatest" player of all time isn't winning everything? Lmao nice logic, he was good in 07, winning pretty much everything, but he's never gained that form again. He's never even won WCG lmao. Sorry bud, but your fanboyism only takes you so far. Edit: Grubby shit on him in WEM finals in 2009, and in WCG 2008. Grubby is also the only player to win WCG and ESWC.
wrong..
for a start, NGL use to be a team league before it became solo, how can you compare the two?
grubby "winning pretty much everything" in 07? and im the one who is "obviously an idiot who hasn't followed wc3, or his fanboyism is to far up your ass to take a look at the acheivements lmao"
grubby was getting raped in 07 by every top 5 elf..
also read my post, i didnt say the game has died, i said it has died DOWN, meaning the scene is far weaker than it use to be (never stated it was dead)..
even if wc3 had died already, why does that mean the "greatest player of all time" would be winning everything? you clearly have no idea of the difference between current best and greatest of all time..
stating he has never won WCG as an argument is an absolute joke, taking into consideration grubby gets auto qualification to the finals every year, meanwhile in korea moon has to fight tooth and nail just to get qualification year after year against top names such as lyn, remind, lucifer, fov, focus, who etc..
allow me to ask you who grubby has EVER beaten to gain entry to the WCG finals? rotterdam? lmfao hardly comparible..
"Sorry bud, but your fanboyism only takes you so far."
1. im not even a moon fan, in fact he is not even in my favourite 5 players.
2. find a mirror
edit: you pretty much proved how much of a fucking moron you are by stating 2 matches where grubby defeated moon, like that has some sort of bearing on which of the 2 is the greater of ALL time..
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LMFAO.. couldnt help but respond again after rereading this..
On January 02 2011 14:53 nGBeast wrote:
how come the "greatest" player of all time isn't winning everything?
hahaha that is the most fucking stupid question/logic i have EVER seen..
if michael jordan is the "greatest" basketball player of all time, how come he isnt winning all the MVP awards and championships?
wake up and smell the roses
greatest of all time =/= current best.. hurr
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On January 02 2011 14:04 On_Slaught wrote:
OP should update the post with pics of Grubbys GF. The fact he has kept up his level of play with a model girlfriend shows his dedication to gaming.
Isn't she his wife now? That's what I'm worried about the most, with his recent marriage he probably won't have as much time as he did in his prime to practice for SC2, let alone SC2 + WC3.
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On January 02 2011 15:11 hewtrain wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2011 14:53 nGBeast wrote:On January 02 2011 14:33 hewtrain wrote:On January 02 2011 14:27 nGBeast wrote:On January 02 2011 14:02 hewtrain wrote:ban inc but i dont give a shit On January 01 2011 08:09 travis wrote:
did you wake up on the wrong side of the fucking bed? every single post you made in this thread you sound like a fucking whining asshat, i dont give a shit how many posts you have, you are a fucking douche.. P.S On January 01 2011 07:38 ffz wrote:
Stop with this bs aobut "one of the greatest ever in wc3". He is THE greatest... His micro and macro are both so amazing. Plus his mind is made for strategy. get a clue + Show Spoiler + are you serious? Grubby has been the most consistent WC3 player of all time. Moon has only a few top finishes in the big tourneys in the last 2 year, and the last was NGL One where he came in 1st, his last good 1st place finish was IEF in 2008, pretty much the end of his good streak. listen to yourself idiot.. 'only a few top finishes in the big tourneys in the last 2 years'.. wc3 has died down considerably in the last 2 years and the life of wc3 goes LONG beyond a span of only 2 years.. you dont mention 06-07 when grubby was copping anal from euro trash elves for a whole year? you also just brush aside his NGL win because it suits your argument.. lmfao what a fucking joke of a post and claim.. anyone who has any idea knows moon is far and away the greatest wc3 player of all time.. as for 2nd place? then maybe we can mention grubby Your obviously an idiot who hasn't followed wc3, or his fanboyism is to far up your ass to take a look at the acheivements lmao. NGL One was a joke compared to what NGL use to be. Grubby has consistently placed in every top tourney every year he's been a pro gamer. Also if the game has "died" then how come the "greatest" player of all time isn't winning everything? Lmao nice logic, he was good in 07, winning pretty much everything, but he's never gained that form again. He's never even won WCG lmao. Sorry bud, but your fanboyism only takes you so far. Edit: Grubby shit on him in WEM finals in 2009, and in WCG 2008. Grubby is also the only player to win WCG and ESWC. wrong.. for a start, NGL use to be a team league before it became solo, how can you compare the two? grubby "winning pretty much everything" in 07? and im the one who is "obviously an idiot who hasn't followed wc3, or his fanboyism is to far up your ass to take a look at the acheivements lmao" grubby was getting raped in 07 by every top 5 elf.. also read my post, i didnt say the game has died, i said it has died DOWN, meaning the scene is far weaker than it use to be (never stated it was dead).. even if wc3 had died already, why does that mean the "greatest player of all time" would be winning everything? you clearly have no idea of the difference between current best and greatest of all time.. stating he has never won WCG as an argument is an absolute joke, taking into consideration grubby gets auto qualification to the finals every year, meanwhile in korea moon has to fight tooth and nail just to get qualification year after year against top names such as lyn, remind, lucifer, fov, focus, who etc.. allow me to ask you who grubby has EVER beaten to gain entry to the WCG finals? rotterdam? lmfao hardly comparible.. " Sorry bud, but your fanboyism only takes you so far." 1. im not even a moon fan, in fact he is not even in my favourite 5 players. 2. find a mirror edit: you pretty much proved how much of a fucking moron you are by stating 2 matches where grubby defeated moon, like that has some sort of bearing on which of the 2 is the greater of ALL time..
Don't know where i said grubby won everything in 2007 lol, I said moon you illiterate retard. Grubby taking Moon out of 2 of the biggest tourneys of all time is nothing to be proud of right? Lol? Moon qualified for WCG countless times and only 1-2 made a top 3 finish (losing to Grubby ofc and getting out classed severely). Moon only dominated in 1 year (07) and has been on a decline ever since, even look at before 07, he was decent but Grubby still is more notable. Looking at Grubby history of tourneys, hes won EVERY major tourney. Not counting his team tourneys with 4K, his achievements far out weight Moon. Sorry bud, moon was only good for 1 year, Grubby has been great since he became big (2004 WCG win).
Hell, even I'd take Creo over both of them. That guy came out of retirement and raped beyond belief.
Edit: To your 2nd comment, if Moon can't even win tourneys on a game on a slow decline with less and less top players then how can you claim he's the greatest? Fuck even th0000 is mroe innovative then moon.
Sorry but your post is just riddled with personal attacks and no factual backing, your just a blithering idiot.
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On January 02 2011 15:35 zex66 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2011 14:04 On_Slaught wrote:
OP should update the post with pics of Grubbys GF. The fact he has kept up his level of play with a model girlfriend shows his dedication to gaming. Isn't she his wife now? That's what I'm worried about the most, with his recent marriage he probably won't have as much time as he did in his prime to practice for SC2, let alone SC2 + WC3.
Well it seem like she support him 100% so don't think it's a problem. He did proposal on stage @ blizzcon 09.
![[image loading]](http://www.fragyou.net/i/grubby_proposal1.jpg)
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"Grubby has consistently placed in every top tourney every year he's been a pro gamer. Also if the game has "died" then how come the "greatest" player of all time isn't winning everything? Lmao nice logic, he was good in 07, winning pretty much everything, but he's never gained that form again."
thats saying moon was winning everything? and im the illiterate retard? nice one..
no factual backing? heres some i gathered quickly just for you
Moon
+ Show Spoiler +3rd BlizzCon 2010(Battle.net Season 8 Final)
1st E-Stars Seoul 2010 King of the Game
3rd Extreme Masters 5 Shanghai
2nd ESWC 2010 Grand Final
2nd BlizzCon 2010(Battle.net Season 8 Final) Qualifier
1st NGL-ONE Season 6
2nd Nvidia Game Festival
2nd STG E-Sports Contest
2nd World E-Sports Masters
2nd Extreme Masters 4 ChengDu
1st World Cyber Games Korea National Final
3rd Norton Anti-Virus GOMTV World Invitational
1st IEF Wuhan
2nd IeSF Invitational
2nd World Cyber Games
2nd ESWC Masters of Athens
1st World Cyber Games Korea National Final
3rd NWL Season 1
1st ESWC Masters of Paris
1st Blizzard Worldwide Invitation 2008
2nd PGL Season 3
1st CEG Shaoxing Tour
1st PGL Season 2
3rd IEF Masters
2nd Make Game Colorful
3rd World Cyber Games
2nd Afreeca Warcraft III League Season 1
1st DigitalLife Pro/Am Chengdu
1st World Cyber Games Korea National Final
1st MBCGame World War Summer Grand Prix
1st Dreamhack (Sweden)
1st MBCGame World War III (Korea)
1st WSVG (China)
1st Neo Star League (China)
1st MBCGame World War II (Korea)
1st MBCGame World War I (Korea)
1st MBCGame World War III (Korea)
1st MBCGame World War II (Korea)
1st Lenovo IEST (China)
1st Superfight 2 (Korea)
1st Digital Life Gaming Tournament 2006 (USA)
1st World E-Sports Festival (China)
1st China Korea Cyber Games (China)
1st World E-Sports Games Season I (Korea)
1st World E-Sports Games Season II (Korea)
1st MBCGame Warcraft League Season I (Korea)
2nd OnGameNet War3 TFT Invitational (Korea)
1st MBCGame Prime League V (Korea)
3rd World Cyber Games Korea National Final(Korea)
2nd MBCGame Prime League III (Korea)
1st MBCGame Prime League II (Korea)
Grubby
+ Show Spoiler +1st place, WCG 2004
1st place, SEC 2005
1st place, Revelcell Masters
1st place, ESWC 2005
1st place, CPL Istanbul
1st place, Blizzcon 2005
3rd place, WCG 2005
2nd place, BWI
1st place, Samsung ECG
1st place, V-Sport All Stars
1st place, WEF 2006
2nd place, WEG Masters 2006
1st place, WSVG London
3rd place, KODE5
1st place, WSVG Finals New York 2006
3rd Battle.net Season IV Finals 2007
2nd MBCGame World War Season I 2007
3rd Electronic Sports World Cup 2007
3rd MBCGame World War Grand Prix 2007
1st Extreme Masters Winter 2007
3rd Extreme Masters Season 2 2008
1st place, Race War Season III
2nd place, NWL Season 1
3rd place, World e-Sports Masters
1st place, WCG 2008
1st place, ESL Continental Final Asia
2nd place, Extreme Masters 3 Continental Finals Asia
1st place, Norton Anti-Virus GOMTV World Invitational
1st place, E-Stars Seoul 2009 King of the Game
2nd place, BlizzCon 2009(Battle.net Season 7 Final)
1st place, WEM 2009
2nd place, NGL-ONE Season 6
2nd place, E-Stars Seoul 2010 King of the Game
2nd place, WCG 2010
2nd place, IeSF 2010
thats taking into account top 3 finishes only.. (excluding trash tournaments.. e.g zotac)
want some more? sk-gaming prize money stats
Moon
Total
$303026.00 (World rank: 1th, Home rank: 1th)
Grubby
Total
$164193.00 (World rank: 2th, Home rank: 1th)
moon with double the prize money? moon only dominated for one year, grubby has always been dominant? please explain..
now how about instead of running your mouth about my posts having no factual backing, you show me some of your own to prove grubby as the greater of the 2?
P.S one off wins against moon, and blasphemy about individual tournaments (without looking at the collective statistics from numerous tournaments/seasons) mean nothing.. and also FYI "most innovative" also has nothing to do with "greatest", try again
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On January 02 2011 15:56 hewtrain wrote:"Grubby has consistently placed in every top tourney every year he's been a pro gamer. Also if the game has "died" then how come the "greatest" player of all time isn't winning everything? Lmao nice logic, he was good in 07, winning pretty much everything, but he's never gained that form again."thats saying moon was winning everything? and im the illiterate retard? nice one.. no factual backing? heres some i gathered quickly just for you Moon+ Show Spoiler +3rd BlizzCon 2010(Battle.net Season 8 Final)
1st E-Stars Seoul 2010 King of the Game
3rd Extreme Masters 5 Shanghai
2nd ESWC 2010 Grand Final
2nd BlizzCon 2010(Battle.net Season 8 Final) Qualifier
1st NGL-ONE Season 6
2nd Nvidia Game Festival
2nd STG E-Sports Contest
2nd World E-Sports Masters
2nd Extreme Masters 4 ChengDu
1st World Cyber Games Korea National Final
3rd Norton Anti-Virus GOMTV World Invitational
1st IEF Wuhan
2nd IeSF Invitational
2nd World Cyber Games
2nd ESWC Masters of Athens
1st World Cyber Games Korea National Final
3rd NWL Season 1
1st ESWC Masters of Paris
1st Blizzard Worldwide Invitation 2008
2nd PGL Season 3
1st CEG Shaoxing Tour
1st PGL Season 2
3rd IEF Masters
2nd Make Game Colorful
3rd World Cyber Games
2nd Afreeca Warcraft III League Season 1
1st DigitalLife Pro/Am Chengdu
1st World Cyber Games Korea National Final
1st MBCGame World War Summer Grand Prix
1st Dreamhack (Sweden)
1st MBCGame World War III (Korea)
1st WSVG (China)
1st Neo Star League (China)
1st MBCGame World War II (Korea)
1st MBCGame World War I (Korea)
1st MBCGame World War III (Korea)
1st MBCGame World War II (Korea)
1st Lenovo IEST (China)
1st Superfight 2 (Korea)
1st Digital Life Gaming Tournament 2006 (USA)
1st World E-Sports Festival (China)
1st China Korea Cyber Games (China)
1st World E-Sports Games Season I (Korea)
1st World E-Sports Games Season II (Korea)
1st MBCGame Warcraft League Season I (Korea)
2nd OnGameNet War3 TFT Invitational (Korea)
1st MBCGame Prime League V (Korea)
3rd World Cyber Games Korea National Final(Korea)
2nd MBCGame Prime League III (Korea)
1st MBCGame Prime League II (Korea) 1st place, WCG 2004
1st place, SEC 2005
1st place, Revelcell Masters
1st place, ESWC 2005
1st place, CPL Istanbul
1st place, Blizzcon 2005
3rd place, WCG 2005
2nd place, BWI
1st place, Samsung ECG
1st place, V-Sport All Stars
1st place, WEF 2006
2nd place, WEG Masters 2006
1st place, WSVG London
3rd place, KODE5
1st place, WSVG Finals New York 2006
3rd Battle.net Season IV Finals 2007
2nd MBCGame World War Season I 2007
3rd Electronic Sports World Cup 2007
3rd MBCGame World War Grand Prix 2007
1st Extreme Masters Winter 2007
3rd Extreme Masters Season 2 2008
1st place, Race War Season III
2nd place, NWL Season 1
3rd place, World e-Sports Masters
1st place, WCG 2008
1st place, ESL Continental Final Asia
2nd place, Extreme Masters 3 Continental Finals Asia
1st place, Norton Anti-Virus GOMTV World Invitational
1st place, E-Stars Seoul 2009 King of the Game
2nd place, BlizzCon 2009(Battle.net Season 7 Final)
1st place, WEM 2009
2nd place, NGL-ONE Season 6
2nd place, E-Stars Seoul 2010 King of the Game
2nd place, WCG 2010
2nd place, IeSF 2010 thats taking into account top 3 finishes only.. (excluding trash tournaments.. e.g zotac) want some more? sk-gaming prize money stats MoonTotal $303026.00 (World rank: 1th, Home rank: 1th) GrubbyTotal $164193.00 (World rank: 2th, Home rank: 1th) moon with double the prize money purely from earnings? moon only dominated for one year, grubby has always been dominant? please explain.. now how about instead of running your mouth about my posts having no factual backing, you show me some of your own to prove grubby as the greater of the 2? P.S one off wins against moon, and blasphemy about individual tournaments (without looking at the collective statistics from numerous tournaments/seasons) mean nothing.. and also FYI "most innovative" also has nothing to do with "greatest", try again
As those are "estimated" earnings and on wikipedia it list Grubby money even higher I'll take that as those have no factual backing and is just an estimate. And his prize earnings =/= greatest of all time. His currently salary for WMF was listed at what? 585k USD, according to wikipedia for his contract. Oh look that just proved the totals you posted are outdated bull shit.
2nd Take a look at the dates of those tourney wins, Moon has 1st place finishes consistent with 07, the rest is a few in the other 6 years are just sporadic 1st placements.
3rd, are you kidding me? If you lose 2 of the biggest tourneys how does he deserve the title? Grubby has shown him up every single time when its mattered lmao. Moon is like the 19-1 Patriots, he was just never good enough to win the big games.
Edit: Also Moon won a good chunk of his prize money at GameX, where from what I see grubby didn't even play in it. iirc it conflicted with another tourney.
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On January 02 2011 16:04 nGBeast wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2011 15:56 hewtrain wrote:"Grubby has consistently placed in every top tourney every year he's been a pro gamer. Also if the game has "died" then how come the "greatest" player of all time isn't winning everything? Lmao nice logic, he was good in 07, winning pretty much everything, but he's never gained that form again."thats saying moon was winning everything? and im the illiterate retard? nice one.. no factual backing? heres some i gathered quickly just for you Moon+ Show Spoiler +3rd BlizzCon 2010(Battle.net Season 8 Final)
1st E-Stars Seoul 2010 King of the Game
3rd Extreme Masters 5 Shanghai
2nd ESWC 2010 Grand Final
2nd BlizzCon 2010(Battle.net Season 8 Final) Qualifier
1st NGL-ONE Season 6
2nd Nvidia Game Festival
2nd STG E-Sports Contest
2nd World E-Sports Masters
2nd Extreme Masters 4 ChengDu
1st World Cyber Games Korea National Final
3rd Norton Anti-Virus GOMTV World Invitational
1st IEF Wuhan
2nd IeSF Invitational
2nd World Cyber Games
2nd ESWC Masters of Athens
1st World Cyber Games Korea National Final
3rd NWL Season 1
1st ESWC Masters of Paris
1st Blizzard Worldwide Invitation 2008
2nd PGL Season 3
1st CEG Shaoxing Tour
1st PGL Season 2
3rd IEF Masters
2nd Make Game Colorful
3rd World Cyber Games
2nd Afreeca Warcraft III League Season 1
1st DigitalLife Pro/Am Chengdu
1st World Cyber Games Korea National Final
1st MBCGame World War Summer Grand Prix
1st Dreamhack (Sweden)
1st MBCGame World War III (Korea)
1st WSVG (China)
1st Neo Star League (China)
1st MBCGame World War II (Korea)
1st MBCGame World War I (Korea)
1st MBCGame World War III (Korea)
1st MBCGame World War II (Korea)
1st Lenovo IEST (China)
1st Superfight 2 (Korea)
1st Digital Life Gaming Tournament 2006 (USA)
1st World E-Sports Festival (China)
1st China Korea Cyber Games (China)
1st World E-Sports Games Season I (Korea)
1st World E-Sports Games Season II (Korea)
1st MBCGame Warcraft League Season I (Korea)
2nd OnGameNet War3 TFT Invitational (Korea)
1st MBCGame Prime League V (Korea)
3rd World Cyber Games Korea National Final(Korea)
2nd MBCGame Prime League III (Korea)
1st MBCGame Prime League II (Korea) 1st place, WCG 2004
1st place, SEC 2005
1st place, Revelcell Masters
1st place, ESWC 2005
1st place, CPL Istanbul
1st place, Blizzcon 2005
3rd place, WCG 2005
2nd place, BWI
1st place, Samsung ECG
1st place, V-Sport All Stars
1st place, WEF 2006
2nd place, WEG Masters 2006
1st place, WSVG London
3rd place, KODE5
1st place, WSVG Finals New York 2006
3rd Battle.net Season IV Finals 2007
2nd MBCGame World War Season I 2007
3rd Electronic Sports World Cup 2007
3rd MBCGame World War Grand Prix 2007
1st Extreme Masters Winter 2007
3rd Extreme Masters Season 2 2008
1st place, Race War Season III
2nd place, NWL Season 1
3rd place, World e-Sports Masters
1st place, WCG 2008
1st place, ESL Continental Final Asia
2nd place, Extreme Masters 3 Continental Finals Asia
1st place, Norton Anti-Virus GOMTV World Invitational
1st place, E-Stars Seoul 2009 King of the Game
2nd place, BlizzCon 2009(Battle.net Season 7 Final)
1st place, WEM 2009
2nd place, NGL-ONE Season 6
2nd place, E-Stars Seoul 2010 King of the Game
2nd place, WCG 2010
2nd place, IeSF 2010 thats taking into account top 3 finishes only.. (excluding trash tournaments.. e.g zotac) want some more? sk-gaming prize money stats MoonTotal $303026.00 (World rank: 1th, Home rank: 1th) GrubbyTotal $164193.00 (World rank: 2th, Home rank: 1th) moon with double the prize money purely from earnings? moon only dominated for one year, grubby has always been dominant? please explain.. now how about instead of running your mouth about my posts having no factual backing, you show me some of your own to prove grubby as the greater of the 2? P.S one off wins against moon, and blasphemy about individual tournaments (without looking at the collective statistics from numerous tournaments/seasons) mean nothing.. and also FYI "most innovative" also has nothing to do with "greatest", try again As those are "estimated" earnings and on wikipedia it list Grubby money even higher I'll take that as those have no factual backing and is just an estimate. And his prize earnings =/= greatest of all time. His currently salary for WMF was listed at what? 585k USD, according to wikipedia for his contract. Oh look that just proved the totals you posted are outdated bull shit. 2nd Take a look at the dates of those tourney wins, Moon has 1st place finishes consistent with 07, the rest is a few in the other 6 years are just sporadic 1st placements. 3rd, are you kidding me? If you lose 2 of the biggest tourneys how does he deserve the title? Grubby has shown him up every single time when its mattered lmao. Moon is like the 19-1 Patriots, he was just never good enough to win the big games.
grats on making a fool of yourself again:
His currently salary for WMF was listed at what? 585k USD, according to wikipedia for his contract. Oh look that just proved the totals you posted are outdated bull shit.
prize money =/= salary hurrdurr..
you also continue to believe that the only matches that matter in this debate are moon vs grubby.. anyone can dig through the records and find individual matches of one player triumphing over another.. that means nothing at all here.. i still see no facts from you proving grubby as the greater player over moon.. none at all
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On January 02 2011 16:09 hewtrain wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2011 16:04 nGBeast wrote:On January 02 2011 15:56 hewtrain wrote:"Grubby has consistently placed in every top tourney every year he's been a pro gamer. Also if the game has "died" then how come the "greatest" player of all time isn't winning everything? Lmao nice logic, he was good in 07, winning pretty much everything, but he's never gained that form again."thats saying moon was winning everything? and im the illiterate retard? nice one.. no factual backing? heres some i gathered quickly just for you Moon+ Show Spoiler +3rd BlizzCon 2010(Battle.net Season 8 Final)
1st E-Stars Seoul 2010 King of the Game
3rd Extreme Masters 5 Shanghai
2nd ESWC 2010 Grand Final
2nd BlizzCon 2010(Battle.net Season 8 Final) Qualifier
1st NGL-ONE Season 6
2nd Nvidia Game Festival
2nd STG E-Sports Contest
2nd World E-Sports Masters
2nd Extreme Masters 4 ChengDu
1st World Cyber Games Korea National Final
3rd Norton Anti-Virus GOMTV World Invitational
1st IEF Wuhan
2nd IeSF Invitational
2nd World Cyber Games
2nd ESWC Masters of Athens
1st World Cyber Games Korea National Final
3rd NWL Season 1
1st ESWC Masters of Paris
1st Blizzard Worldwide Invitation 2008
2nd PGL Season 3
1st CEG Shaoxing Tour
1st PGL Season 2
3rd IEF Masters
2nd Make Game Colorful
3rd World Cyber Games
2nd Afreeca Warcraft III League Season 1
1st DigitalLife Pro/Am Chengdu
1st World Cyber Games Korea National Final
1st MBCGame World War Summer Grand Prix
1st Dreamhack (Sweden)
1st MBCGame World War III (Korea)
1st WSVG (China)
1st Neo Star League (China)
1st MBCGame World War II (Korea)
1st MBCGame World War I (Korea)
1st MBCGame World War III (Korea)
1st MBCGame World War II (Korea)
1st Lenovo IEST (China)
1st Superfight 2 (Korea)
1st Digital Life Gaming Tournament 2006 (USA)
1st World E-Sports Festival (China)
1st China Korea Cyber Games (China)
1st World E-Sports Games Season I (Korea)
1st World E-Sports Games Season II (Korea)
1st MBCGame Warcraft League Season I (Korea)
2nd OnGameNet War3 TFT Invitational (Korea)
1st MBCGame Prime League V (Korea)
3rd World Cyber Games Korea National Final(Korea)
2nd MBCGame Prime League III (Korea)
1st MBCGame Prime League II (Korea) 1st place, WCG 2004
1st place, SEC 2005
1st place, Revelcell Masters
1st place, ESWC 2005
1st place, CPL Istanbul
1st place, Blizzcon 2005
3rd place, WCG 2005
2nd place, BWI
1st place, Samsung ECG
1st place, V-Sport All Stars
1st place, WEF 2006
2nd place, WEG Masters 2006
1st place, WSVG London
3rd place, KODE5
1st place, WSVG Finals New York 2006
3rd Battle.net Season IV Finals 2007
2nd MBCGame World War Season I 2007
3rd Electronic Sports World Cup 2007
3rd MBCGame World War Grand Prix 2007
1st Extreme Masters Winter 2007
3rd Extreme Masters Season 2 2008
1st place, Race War Season III
2nd place, NWL Season 1
3rd place, World e-Sports Masters
1st place, WCG 2008
1st place, ESL Continental Final Asia
2nd place, Extreme Masters 3 Continental Finals Asia
1st place, Norton Anti-Virus GOMTV World Invitational
1st place, E-Stars Seoul 2009 King of the Game
2nd place, BlizzCon 2009(Battle.net Season 7 Final)
1st place, WEM 2009
2nd place, NGL-ONE Season 6
2nd place, E-Stars Seoul 2010 King of the Game
2nd place, WCG 2010
2nd place, IeSF 2010 thats taking into account top 3 finishes only.. (excluding trash tournaments.. e.g zotac) want some more? sk-gaming prize money stats MoonTotal $303026.00 (World rank: 1th, Home rank: 1th) GrubbyTotal $164193.00 (World rank: 2th, Home rank: 1th) moon with double the prize money purely from earnings? moon only dominated for one year, grubby has always been dominant? please explain.. now how about instead of running your mouth about my posts having no factual backing, you show me some of your own to prove grubby as the greater of the 2? P.S one off wins against moon, and blasphemy about individual tournaments (without looking at the collective statistics from numerous tournaments/seasons) mean nothing.. and also FYI "most innovative" also has nothing to do with "greatest", try again As those are "estimated" earnings and on wikipedia it list Grubby money even higher I'll take that as those have no factual backing and is just an estimate. And his prize earnings =/= greatest of all time. His currently salary for WMF was listed at what? 585k USD, according to wikipedia for his contract. Oh look that just proved the totals you posted are outdated bull shit. 2nd Take a look at the dates of those tourney wins, Moon has 1st place finishes consistent with 07, the rest is a few in the other 6 years are just sporadic 1st placements. 3rd, are you kidding me? If you lose 2 of the biggest tourneys how does he deserve the title? Grubby has shown him up every single time when its mattered lmao. Moon is like the 19-1 Patriots, he was just never good enough to win the big games. grats on making a fool of yourself again: His currently salary for WMF was listed at what? 585k USD, according to wikipedia for his contract. Oh look that just proved the totals you posted are outdated bull shit.
prize money =/= salary hurrdurr.. you also continue to believe that the only matches that matter in this debate are moon vs grubby.. anyone can dig through the records and find individual matches of one player triumphing over another.. that means nothing at all here.. i still see no facts from you proving grubby as the greater player over moon.. none at all
If Grubby winning the biggest, and best competitions that moon has never won doesn't even make him better then what does? Keep your /b/ logic on /b/. I proved several facts that he's won tourneys moon hasn't and you go WELL HERP DERP IT DOESN"T MATTER HERP. Am i right or does that not qualify him as the greatest? lol you don't even know how to categorize that. All you do is take your wikipedia knowledge and try and prove that moon is better, when he's been out classed several times, like vs Zacard in 04, and by Freedom in Ongamenet War3 TFT Invitational.
And seeing as were debating about Moon and grubby you would think grubby out classing him on the big stages several times would account for something, but no, not by your logic!
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