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On January 02 2011 16:14 nGBeast wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2011 16:09 hewtrain wrote:On January 02 2011 16:04 nGBeast wrote:On January 02 2011 15:56 hewtrain wrote:"Grubby has consistently placed in every top tourney every year he's been a pro gamer. Also if the game has "died" then how come the "greatest" player of all time isn't winning everything? Lmao nice logic, he was good in 07, winning pretty much everything, but he's never gained that form again."thats saying moon was winning everything? and im the illiterate retard? nice one.. no factual backing? heres some i gathered quickly just for you Moon+ Show Spoiler +3rd BlizzCon 2010(Battle.net Season 8 Final)
1st E-Stars Seoul 2010 King of the Game
3rd Extreme Masters 5 Shanghai
2nd ESWC 2010 Grand Final
2nd BlizzCon 2010(Battle.net Season 8 Final) Qualifier
1st NGL-ONE Season 6
2nd Nvidia Game Festival
2nd STG E-Sports Contest
2nd World E-Sports Masters
2nd Extreme Masters 4 ChengDu
1st World Cyber Games Korea National Final
3rd Norton Anti-Virus GOMTV World Invitational
1st IEF Wuhan
2nd IeSF Invitational
2nd World Cyber Games
2nd ESWC Masters of Athens
1st World Cyber Games Korea National Final
3rd NWL Season 1
1st ESWC Masters of Paris
1st Blizzard Worldwide Invitation 2008
2nd PGL Season 3
1st CEG Shaoxing Tour
1st PGL Season 2
3rd IEF Masters
2nd Make Game Colorful
3rd World Cyber Games
2nd Afreeca Warcraft III League Season 1
1st DigitalLife Pro/Am Chengdu
1st World Cyber Games Korea National Final
1st MBCGame World War Summer Grand Prix
1st Dreamhack (Sweden)
1st MBCGame World War III (Korea)
1st WSVG (China)
1st Neo Star League (China)
1st MBCGame World War II (Korea)
1st MBCGame World War I (Korea)
1st MBCGame World War III (Korea)
1st MBCGame World War II (Korea)
1st Lenovo IEST (China)
1st Superfight 2 (Korea)
1st Digital Life Gaming Tournament 2006 (USA)
1st World E-Sports Festival (China)
1st China Korea Cyber Games (China)
1st World E-Sports Games Season I (Korea)
1st World E-Sports Games Season II (Korea)
1st MBCGame Warcraft League Season I (Korea)
2nd OnGameNet War3 TFT Invitational (Korea)
1st MBCGame Prime League V (Korea)
3rd World Cyber Games Korea National Final(Korea)
2nd MBCGame Prime League III (Korea)
1st MBCGame Prime League II (Korea) 1st place, WCG 2004
1st place, SEC 2005
1st place, Revelcell Masters
1st place, ESWC 2005
1st place, CPL Istanbul
1st place, Blizzcon 2005
3rd place, WCG 2005
2nd place, BWI
1st place, Samsung ECG
1st place, V-Sport All Stars
1st place, WEF 2006
2nd place, WEG Masters 2006
1st place, WSVG London
3rd place, KODE5
1st place, WSVG Finals New York 2006
3rd Battle.net Season IV Finals 2007
2nd MBCGame World War Season I 2007
3rd Electronic Sports World Cup 2007
3rd MBCGame World War Grand Prix 2007
1st Extreme Masters Winter 2007
3rd Extreme Masters Season 2 2008
1st place, Race War Season III
2nd place, NWL Season 1
3rd place, World e-Sports Masters
1st place, WCG 2008
1st place, ESL Continental Final Asia
2nd place, Extreme Masters 3 Continental Finals Asia
1st place, Norton Anti-Virus GOMTV World Invitational
1st place, E-Stars Seoul 2009 King of the Game
2nd place, BlizzCon 2009(Battle.net Season 7 Final)
1st place, WEM 2009
2nd place, NGL-ONE Season 6
2nd place, E-Stars Seoul 2010 King of the Game
2nd place, WCG 2010
2nd place, IeSF 2010 thats taking into account top 3 finishes only.. (excluding trash tournaments.. e.g zotac) want some more? sk-gaming prize money stats MoonTotal $303026.00 (World rank: 1th, Home rank: 1th) GrubbyTotal $164193.00 (World rank: 2th, Home rank: 1th) moon with double the prize money purely from earnings? moon only dominated for one year, grubby has always been dominant? please explain.. now how about instead of running your mouth about my posts having no factual backing, you show me some of your own to prove grubby as the greater of the 2? P.S one off wins against moon, and blasphemy about individual tournaments (without looking at the collective statistics from numerous tournaments/seasons) mean nothing.. and also FYI "most innovative" also has nothing to do with "greatest", try again As those are "estimated" earnings and on wikipedia it list Grubby money even higher I'll take that as those have no factual backing and is just an estimate. And his prize earnings =/= greatest of all time. His currently salary for WMF was listed at what? 585k USD, according to wikipedia for his contract. Oh look that just proved the totals you posted are outdated bull shit. 2nd Take a look at the dates of those tourney wins, Moon has 1st place finishes consistent with 07, the rest is a few in the other 6 years are just sporadic 1st placements. 3rd, are you kidding me? If you lose 2 of the biggest tourneys how does he deserve the title? Grubby has shown him up every single time when its mattered lmao. Moon is like the 19-1 Patriots, he was just never good enough to win the big games. grats on making a fool of yourself again: His currently salary for WMF was listed at what? 585k USD, according to wikipedia for his contract. Oh look that just proved the totals you posted are outdated bull shit.
prize money =/= salary hurrdurr.. you also continue to believe that the only matches that matter in this debate are moon vs grubby.. anyone can dig through the records and find individual matches of one player triumphing over another.. that means nothing at all here.. i still see no facts from you proving grubby as the greater player over moon.. none at all If Grubby winning the biggest, and best competitions that moon has never won doesn't even make him better then what does? Keep your /b/ logic on /b/. I proved several facts that he's won tourneys moon hasn't and you go WELL HERP DERP IT DOESN"T MATTER HERP. Am i right?
simply, no, you are not right.. grubby winning 1-2 major tournaments (1 where he gets auto qualification, while moon has to battle 10+ players that could easily make top 3 at finals), proves nothing.. nothing at all..
how does a one off match/tournament prove anything? moon roflstomped grubby constantly for about 18 months.. grubby would be lucky to have ever gone 6 months without losing to moon, guess what.. that doesnt mean jack, because individual matchups have no bearing on overall greatness because the fact is both players can and have got the job done for years now.. so saying grubby has won a tournament moon hasnt is pointless.. WAKE UP.. moon has won tournaments grubby hasnt too
Edit: also.. WCG Korea > WCG Finals.. in terms of difficulty.. any non-retarded wc3 follower (or sc follower.. or basically any rts follower) knows that.. so how is grubby winning wcg proof of him being greater? when moon has to win an even harder tournament to even qualify? you continue to ignore grubby's auto qualifcation every year, and then use it as some sort of non-proof of his superiority..
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simply, no, you are not right.. grubby winning 1-2 major tournaments (1 where he gets auto qualification, while moon has to battle 10+ players that could easily make top 3 at finals), proves nothing.. nothing at all..
how does a one off match/tournament prove anything? moon roflstomped grubby constantly for about 18 months.. grubby would be lucky to have ever gone 6 months without losing to moon, guess what.. that doesnt mean jack, because individual matchups have no bearing on overall greatness because the fact is both players can and have got the job done for years now.. so saying grubby has won a tournament moon hasnt is pointless.. WAKE UP.. moon has won tournaments grubby hasnt too
Edit: also.. WCG Korea > WCG Finals.. in terms of difficulty.. any non-retarded wc3 follower (or sc follower.. or basically any rts follower) knows that.. so how is grubby winning wcg proof of him being greater? when moon has to win an even harder tournament to even qualify? you continue to ignore grubby's auto qualifcation every year, and then use it as some sort of non-proof of his superiority...
I'm glad your entire argument is "no your wrong I'm right" lol. Winning WCG > WCG Korea. Grubby has to play good players to make it to the finals right? Nope he auto qualified to the tourney so of course he auto qualifies to the finals!!!1111
The only tourneys moon has really won were Korean/chinese tourneys that weren't available to foreigners, but looking at the major international tourneys Grubby outright dominates Moon. Theres no criteria for G.O.A.T, and its basically your preference. Creo could have wiped the floor with moon and grubby, had he gave 2 shits about being a pro gamer. But you just keep going on and on about me being wrong and you right cause its just a circular argument now.
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On January 02 2011 16:31 nGBeast wrote:Show nested quote + simply, no, you are not right.. grubby winning 1-2 major tournaments (1 where he gets auto qualification, while moon has to battle 10+ players that could easily make top 3 at finals), proves nothing.. nothing at all..
how does a one off match/tournament prove anything? moon roflstomped grubby constantly for about 18 months.. grubby would be lucky to have ever gone 6 months without losing to moon, guess what.. that doesnt mean jack, because individual matchups have no bearing on overall greatness because the fact is both players can and have got the job done for years now.. so saying grubby has won a tournament moon hasnt is pointless.. WAKE UP.. moon has won tournaments grubby hasnt too
Edit: also.. WCG Korea > WCG Finals.. in terms of difficulty.. any non-retarded wc3 follower (or sc follower.. or basically any rts follower) knows that.. so how is grubby winning wcg proof of him being greater? when moon has to win an even harder tournament to even qualify? you continue to ignore grubby's auto qualifcation every year, and then use it as some sort of non-proof of his superiority...
I'm glad your entire argument is "no your wrong I'm right" lol. Winning WCG > WCG Korea. Grubby has to play good players to make it to the finals right? Nope he auto qualified to the tourney so of course he auto qualifies to the finals!!!1111 The only tourneys moon has really won were Korean/chinese tourneys that weren't available, but looking at the major international tourneys Grubby outright dominates Moon. Theres no criteria for G.O.A.T, and its basically your preference. Creo could have wiped the floor with moon and grubby, had he gave 2 shits about being a pro gamer. But you just keep going on and on about me being wrong and you right cause its just circular logic you use.
if you really think WCG finals are harder than WCG Korea you need your head checked..
Grubby basically has to play rotterdam to get qualification year after year.. and then only has to go through 3-4 TOP players to make it to the WCG grand final.. Moon has to go through 5-6 TOP players to qualify for the main stage.. and THEN has to go through another 3-4 TOP players to make it to the grand finals..
if you also think moon has only won tournaments that were unavailable for grubby i have nothing more to say..
give me some fucking facts, not some trash talking bullshit, bringing up creo (who i have mad respect for.. and dont disagree with you about him), and belittling moons tournament wins..
you say my entire argument is "no your wrong im right".. ive given you facts.. a list of tournament top 3, prize money, etc.. what have you given me? nothing other than this absolute horse shit that your spewing about WCG finals..
time and time again that is all you mention
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This is pretty crazy.. if he has the ability to be a hybrid player there will be a lot of respect for this guy.. saying that i assume that the hours of dedication from a Fruitdealer will trump this kid any day of the weekend..
Nevertheless - good luck to him, i am excited to see another Pro Toss player
edit; intentionally ignoring the flame fest above me 
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On January 02 2011 16:31 nGBeast wrote:Show nested quote + simply, no, you are not right.. grubby winning 1-2 major tournaments (1 where he gets auto qualification, while moon has to battle 10+ players that could easily make top 3 at finals), proves nothing.. nothing at all..
how does a one off match/tournament prove anything? moon roflstomped grubby constantly for about 18 months.. grubby would be lucky to have ever gone 6 months without losing to moon, guess what.. that doesnt mean jack, because individual matchups have no bearing on overall greatness because the fact is both players can and have got the job done for years now.. so saying grubby has won a tournament moon hasnt is pointless.. WAKE UP.. moon has won tournaments grubby hasnt too
Edit: also.. WCG Korea > WCG Finals.. in terms of difficulty.. any non-retarded wc3 follower (or sc follower.. or basically any rts follower) knows that.. so how is grubby winning wcg proof of him being greater? when moon has to win an even harder tournament to even qualify? you continue to ignore grubby's auto qualifcation every year, and then use it as some sort of non-proof of his superiority...
I'm glad your entire argument is "no your wrong I'm right" lol. Winning WCG > WCG Korea. Grubby has to play good players to make it to the finals right? Nope he auto qualified to the tourney so of course he auto qualifies to the finals!!!1111 The only tourneys moon has really won were Korean/chinese tourneys that weren't available to foreigners, but looking at the major international tourneys Grubby outright dominates Moon. Theres no criteria for G.O.A.T, and its basically your preference. Creo could have wiped the floor with moon and grubby, had he gave 2 shits about being a pro gamer. But you just keep going on and on about me being wrong and you right cause its just a circular argument now.
based on your only argument the top 5 greatest wc3 players of all time would look roughly like this:
1. grubby
2. sky
3. remind
4. infi
5. creo
so i guess moon isnt even a top 5 player? lmfao
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On January 02 2011 14:35 kuresuti wrote:
I believe fatal1ty played several games at a top level throughout his career. I don't know anything about FPS games but if they are as different to one another as WC3 is to SC2, I don't see why it can't be done.
Maybe if he keeps up with popular timing attacks and all-ins and practises against those to get into the lategame, pure skill could take over and the lack of game knowledge would matter less.
Fatal1ty is kind of an anomaly. He was able to be in the top for when the games first came out because he started an industry around himself and was able to not have to actually hold a stable job outside of gaming, thus acting as true "progamer" while others couldn't. The games he played all were similar, and he wasn't exactly a hybrid player (he didn't play different games at the same time, just switched a lot), and also tons of players switched games along with him, contented for top spots alongside him, and eventually came to dominate the scene over him.
For example, fatal1ty, Cooller, and toxjq all played Quake 3, and transitioned to Quake 4.
In Q3 fat was good for first 2 years of the game, toxiq was the best at TDM for the whole time when TDM was popular (every form, 2v2, 3v3, 4v4), fat quit Q3 and switched to Painkiller in 2004+2005 and Cooller dominated for 2003 -> 2006. Then Q4 came out. Fat dominated in the first year, then toxjq started dominating, fat quit, then Cooller and his protege av3k dominated after that.
In Fat's painkiller switch, 2004, the first year, he got dominated by vo0, the best cpm player (a quake 3 mod with different physics, physics that were similar to painkiller's physics), then in 2005 vo0 dominated but lost in a very close match in the CPL finals (it was a world tour, and vo0 won pretty much every other event that year).
Fatal1ty was never a hybrid player, and got dominated after he lost his advantage of being able to grind out more games than everyone else.
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This thread is getting trolled hard, but all I got to say is GL to Grubby and hope to see him in GSL and other tournies soon.
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On January 02 2011 15:36 nGBeast wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2011 15:11 hewtrain wrote:On January 02 2011 14:53 nGBeast wrote:On January 02 2011 14:33 hewtrain wrote:On January 02 2011 14:27 nGBeast wrote:On January 02 2011 14:02 hewtrain wrote:ban inc but i dont give a shit On January 01 2011 08:09 travis wrote:
did you wake up on the wrong side of the fucking bed? every single post you made in this thread you sound like a fucking whining asshat, i dont give a shit how many posts you have, you are a fucking douche.. P.S On January 01 2011 07:38 ffz wrote:
Stop with this bs aobut "one of the greatest ever in wc3". He is THE greatest... His micro and macro are both so amazing. Plus his mind is made for strategy. get a clue + Show Spoiler + are you serious? Grubby has been the most consistent WC3 player of all time. Moon has only a few top finishes in the big tourneys in the last 2 year, and the last was NGL One where he came in 1st, his last good 1st place finish was IEF in 2008, pretty much the end of his good streak. listen to yourself idiot.. 'only a few top finishes in the big tourneys in the last 2 years'.. wc3 has died down considerably in the last 2 years and the life of wc3 goes LONG beyond a span of only 2 years.. you dont mention 06-07 when grubby was copping anal from euro trash elves for a whole year? you also just brush aside his NGL win because it suits your argument.. lmfao what a fucking joke of a post and claim.. anyone who has any idea knows moon is far and away the greatest wc3 player of all time.. as for 2nd place? then maybe we can mention grubby Your obviously an idiot who hasn't followed wc3, or his fanboyism is to far up your ass to take a look at the acheivements lmao. NGL One was a joke compared to what NGL use to be. Grubby has consistently placed in every top tourney every year he's been a pro gamer. Also if the game has "died" then how come the "greatest" player of all time isn't winning everything? Lmao nice logic, he was good in 07, winning pretty much everything, but he's never gained that form again. He's never even won WCG lmao. Sorry bud, but your fanboyism only takes you so far. Edit: Grubby shit on him in WEM finals in 2009, and in WCG 2008. Grubby is also the only player to win WCG and ESWC. wrong.. for a start, NGL use to be a team league before it became solo, how can you compare the two? grubby "winning pretty much everything" in 07? and im the one who is "obviously an idiot who hasn't followed wc3, or his fanboyism is to far up your ass to take a look at the acheivements lmao" grubby was getting raped in 07 by every top 5 elf.. also read my post, i didnt say the game has died, i said it has died DOWN, meaning the scene is far weaker than it use to be (never stated it was dead).. even if wc3 had died already, why does that mean the "greatest player of all time" would be winning everything? you clearly have no idea of the difference between current best and greatest of all time.. stating he has never won WCG as an argument is an absolute joke, taking into consideration grubby gets auto qualification to the finals every year, meanwhile in korea moon has to fight tooth and nail just to get qualification year after year against top names such as lyn, remind, lucifer, fov, focus, who etc.. allow me to ask you who grubby has EVER beaten to gain entry to the WCG finals? rotterdam? lmfao hardly comparible.. " Sorry bud, but your fanboyism only takes you so far." 1. im not even a moon fan, in fact he is not even in my favourite 5 players. 2. find a mirror edit: you pretty much proved how much of a fucking moron you are by stating 2 matches where grubby defeated moon, like that has some sort of bearing on which of the 2 is the greater of ALL time.. Don't know where i said grubby won everything in 2007 lol, I said moon you illiterate retard. Grubby taking Moon out of 2 of the biggest tourneys of all time is nothing to be proud of right? Lol? Moon qualified for WCG countless times and only 1-2 made a top 3 finish (losing to Grubby ofc and getting out classed severely). Moon only dominated in 1 year (07) and has been on a decline ever since, even look at before 07, he was decent but Grubby still is more notable. Looking at Grubby history of tourneys, hes won EVERY major tourney. Not counting his team tourneys with 4K, his achievements far out weight Moon. Sorry bud, moon was only good for 1 year, Grubby has been great since he became big (2004 WCG win). Hell, even I'd take Creo over both of them. That guy came out of retirement and raped beyond belief. Edit: To your 2nd comment, if Moon can't even win tourneys on a game on a slow decline with less and less top players then how can you claim he's the greatest? Fuck even th0000 is mroe innovative then moon. Sorry but your post is just riddled with personal attacks and no factual backing, your just a blithering idiot.
Did u know that wc3 proscene had been existed before 2007 ?
Do u know how the hell could Grubby & european like ToD & Chinese like Sky could get out of noob mode ? Go to Korea and getting raped. I still laugh seeing back how the European allstars (which included then fresh WCG winner Grubby) getting annihilated 0-5, 1-5 by the Korean all-stars, and no one could afford to get past the groupstage of any Korean Starleague they attended cuz there were at least 15 Koreans who were better than the top1 European and WCG winner aka Grubby. On a side note Moon won 2 MBCs and went depth in OGNs
Furthermore, so feared of the aforementioned constant rapes, Grubby even dodged his invitation to three World Esport Games in 2005, which were possibly the biggest and most competitive wc3 tourneys in the history, gathering Korea's best and world's best. And guess what, Moon won two editions of WEG and grabbing yet another MBC gold
Yea I wanna point out WCG & ESWC achievement are bullshit. I guess no one could debate the fact that Korean qualifiers are brazillion times harder than the actual league, It's like comparing OSL/MSL level with WCG level. Winning one bo3 against random top Korean and u get gold, whats the deal ? Moon did not qualify for WCG countless of times retard cuz there were ppl who'r even better than Moon at times like Freedom in 2004 and Fov in 2006
Talking about teamleagues, since the era of Korean invading every teams (season VIII) Moon's MYM won 2 editions of WC3L, as many as Grubby's 4Kings. Moon's MYM even won another NGL League (winnerleague-like of wc3) over 4Kings. Your arguement about team-achievement fails, as much as your individual achievement one.
Lastly how could TH000 be more innovative than Moon when he just re-used weird strat by some oldschool Koreans (like going MountainKing 1st - his only notable so-called innovation). Oh wait, u probably hadnt picked up the CD-key until 2007
Sky won 2 WCGs & numerous leagues too, and I respected him much more than Grubby cuz he's not a dodger and he didnt find excuse, whine or write emo linkinpark blog every he lost.
Get a clue kid, I could teach u a lesson or two about the history of WC3
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The only tourneys moon has really won were Korean/chinese tourneys that weren't available to foreigners, but looking at the major international tourneys Grubby outright dominates Moon. Theres no criteria for G.O.A.T, and its basically your preference. Creo could have wiped the floor with moon and grubby, had he gave 2 shits about being a pro gamer. But you just keep going on and on about me being wrong and you right cause its just a circular argument now.
as I said before, Korean tourney did invite Europeans (they woulda probably fallen short in the qualification though) but they epicly failed lol. Talking about international tourney, the only tour Grubby won and Moon didnt is WCG, but the ones Moon won and Grubby didnt are too many ( for example a GameX tourney in Russia with 100K prize for 1st place, way better than WCG huh ?). Creo is an one-hit wonder btw, just like how randomly WCG can be won.
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On January 01 2011 06:25 chobopeon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2011 06:16 HollowLord wrote:
Kind of cocky if you ask me. Pick a side Grubby, war is coming. Winter is coming
Winter never changes.
I never played WC3 so I'm curious what all the fuss is about. I saw a picture of his wife and I must see he played well there. We'll see how he does anyway, why should we care whether he plays one game and one game only - or two? A bit boring, this advance praise&flame. Patience, guys, patience.
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I think its the logical thing to do. He will prolly play ALOT sc2 and just wc3 on occasion ´for the tournaments. He can still make money of wc3 so why shouldnt he?
It will take a very long time for him to get deep in a sc2 tournament anyways, but P seems the right race for him and he might make it in a GSL this or next year and maybe in 1-2 years he might be good.
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Succesful hybrid player? Elky of course (meanwhile playing poker too). But he also didn't come from just any RTS.
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grubby should get a teamliquid account^^
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If the korean wcg qualifiers are so much harder than the actual league howcome remind was the first korean to ever win wcg (2010) when they get the most spots in wcg aswell (maybe china gets same).. get a clue please. WCG world finals has the best korean players and the best chinese players (who are as good or better than korean players) aswell as the top europeans who are as good as the koreans/chinese (tod/grubby/insomnia/creo/hot/sase etc).
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On January 02 2011 14:27 nGBeast wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2011 14:02 hewtrain wrote:ban inc but i dont give a shit On January 01 2011 08:09 travis wrote:
did you wake up on the wrong side of the fucking bed? every single post you made in this thread you sound like a fucking whining asshat, i dont give a shit how many posts you have, you are a fucking douche.. P.S On January 01 2011 07:38 ffz wrote:
Stop with this bs aobut "one of the greatest ever in wc3". He is THE greatest... His micro and macro are both so amazing. Plus his mind is made for strategy. get a clue + Show Spoiler + are you serious? Grubby has been the most consistent WC3 player of all time. Moon has only a few top finishes in the big tourneys in the last 2 year, and the last was NGL One where he came in 1st, his last good 1st place finish was IEF in 2008, pretty much the end of his good streak.
Oh man... /facepalm.
Moon has been on top level since 2002 which is longer than Grubby. He's one of the most consistent players since the beginning and he's in the top 5 for winning the most amount of prize money which doesn't even include money from sponsorship deals and contracts.
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Just realised this has turned into a Moon vs Grubby fanboy shitstorm.
I feel like I'm on SK-Gaming forums all over again.
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On January 03 2011 05:31 Lennon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2011 14:27 nGBeast wrote:On January 02 2011 14:02 hewtrain wrote:ban inc but i dont give a shit On January 01 2011 08:09 travis wrote:
did you wake up on the wrong side of the fucking bed? every single post you made in this thread you sound like a fucking whining asshat, i dont give a shit how many posts you have, you are a fucking douche.. P.S On January 01 2011 07:38 ffz wrote:
Stop with this bs aobut "one of the greatest ever in wc3". He is THE greatest... His micro and macro are both so amazing. Plus his mind is made for strategy. get a clue + Show Spoiler + are you serious? Grubby has been the most consistent WC3 player of all time. Moon has only a few top finishes in the big tourneys in the last 2 year, and the last was NGL One where he came in 1st, his last good 1st place finish was IEF in 2008, pretty much the end of his good streak. Oh man... /facepalm. Moon has been on top level since 2002 which is longer than Grubby. He's one of the most consistent players since the beginning and he's in the top 5 for winning the most amount of prize money which doesn't even include money from sponsorship deals and contracts.
/facepalm
TFT has only been out since 2003, and he started playing in 03, so check your dates broski. Grubby has been the best player when orc was considered the weakest race also, while night elf is the only race that was never considered weak. Grubby and Moon both started around the same time.
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good luck grubby wc3 is terrible. imo.
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On January 03 2011 05:34 Lennon wrote:
Just realised this has turned into a Moon vs Grubby fanboy shitstorm.
I feel like I'm on SK-Gaming forums all over again. So true... Can't we just agree that they both are fucking amazing wc3 players.
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I don't think there's anything particularly difficult about this. Everyone is practicing different amounts of time due to different commitments and levels of interest. Just because Grubby's reason is being a progamer at another game doesn't make him special. If he plays 4 hours of sc2 a day and 4 hours of wc3 a day, he can get top 3 in major tournaments in both as long as he's talented. If he does relatively poorly at sc2, I hope no one makes any excuses for him :o
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I dont think that wc3 players can be very successful sc players , so until there is wc3 scene it is very smart descision by grubby imo.
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