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On January 01 2011 07:38 ffz wrote:
Stop with this bs aobut "one of the greatest ever in wc3". He is THE greatest... His micro and macro are both so amazing. Plus his mind is made for strategy. If he goes to Korea's EG house omg... Grubby and Idra are going to get 1 and 2 in gsl.
uh no. who is the greatest ever in bw? different answers. same with wc3.
Someone who excels at a type of game will almost certainly excel at another of the same type. fps, fighters, racing...I see no reason why rts's can't be the same way.
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On January 01 2011 09:31 maliceee wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2011 07:38 ffz wrote:
Stop with this bs aobut "one of the greatest ever in wc3". He is THE greatest... His micro and macro are both so amazing. Plus his mind is made for strategy. If he goes to Korea's EG house omg... Grubby and Idra are going to get 1 and 2 in gsl. uh no. who is the greatest ever in bw? different answers. same with wc3. Someone who excels at a type of game will almost certainly excel at another of the same type. fps, fighters, racing...I see no reason why rts's can't be the same way.
Saying someone is the greatest is just a matter of opinion. Unless there really is someone who clearly dominates everyone else competing in their field.
As for Grubby being the greatest; that's debatable. I'd say it's between Grubby and Moon.
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On January 01 2011 09:19 ch0c0b0fr34k wrote:
I'm going to predict that he eliminates every no-name in SC2 and when he meets someone who has some history in tourney competitions, he'll fall.
Grubby is a proffesional gamer. thats his life, hes going to be awesome at sc2, i reckon he will make at least ro8. some other ex wc3 players in this tourny too so should be fun 
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You guys overrate grubby way too much. Obviously one of the best wc3 players of all time, however he is not even close to as good as his results. While he has played farseer quite a bit without orc he would of been just some average player. Seeing as sc2 has done a pretty good balance job for the amount of time its been out, I don't see grubby going anywhere.
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I think there's a lot of room for experimentation and creativity in Starcraft 2, and I think Grubby is the perfect man to explore it.
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On January 01 2011 06:02 Aquafresh wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2011 05:55 majestouch wrote:
how is moon as a hybrid player? i know nothing of war3 pretty much but I know "grubby" and "moon". And if moon got into the GSL ro32? ro16? w/e he got to and only practice for a few weeks b4 GSL, the sky is the limit. once grubby learns the syntax for sc2 as opposed to wc3 he will most likely be very good. And I wouldn't be surprised if he made top 8, sc2 is a lot of about luck seeing how big of a joke allins are atm. People keep saying this but Moon had like a thousand games under his belt on his ladder account and was pretty active before his GSL matches, and again before his code A tiebreakers. He was definitely practicing hard, and he's been playing the game off and on since beta.
he said in interviews that he only practices for sc2 "hardcore" (i'm assuming thats where most the games come from) when hes participating in a tournament such as GSL
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On January 01 2011 09:52 peachsncream wrote:
You guys overrate grubby way too much. Obviously one of the best wc3 players of all time, however he is not even close to as good as his results. While he has played farseer quite a bit without orc he would of been just some average player. Seeing as sc2 has done a pretty good balance job for the amount of time its been out, I don't see grubby going anywhere.
How does that even make sense? He's been successfully competing at top level for 7 years even during the earlier periods when Orc was considered weak.
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I can't be the only one who interpreted this as "I'm switching to SC2, but I'll keep showing up on War3 tournaments to earn some free moniez."
It really makes sense. Why would he quit competing in War3 if he has a pretty good chance to win something even with 5% of the usual practice? (I'm don't really know anything about War3 besides recognizing the names Grubby and Moon, but if he's as great as his reputation, it's the equivalent of like Stork/Jaedong/Flash switching to a new game and deciding to keep competing in SC)
If that's not the case, and he intends to split the practice time evenly, he'll be a complete failure.
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Hmm, if i recall correctly(correct me if i am wrong) Grubby was the player to introduce with hardcore Blademaster play at a high level and finally finding a counter to the druid of talon NE players, or something. Either way I am biased since i am Dutch aswell, however I would really like to see him playing SC2,
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On January 01 2011 09:52 peachsncream wrote:
You guys overrate grubby way too much. Obviously one of the best wc3 players of all time, however he is not even close to as good as his results. While he has played farseer quite a bit without orc he would of been just some average player. Seeing as sc2 has done a pretty good balance job for the amount of time its been out, I don't see grubby going anywhere.
the only MU that is slightly imbalanced is Orc vs UD.
Human and NE do fine vs BM, those MUs are balanced. and seeing as for the last 2 years there has been 2 UD players, and grubby has still dominated, dont talk about imbalance. and anyway he was dominant back when FS was used every game and NE was strongest race. So dont talk about what you dont know about.
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On January 01 2011 10:03 Kipsate wrote:
Hmm, if i recall correctly(correct me if i am wrong) Grubby was the player to come with hardcore Blademaster play at a high level and finally finding a counter to the druid of talon NE players, or something. Either way I am biased since i am Dutch aswell, however I would really like to see him playing SC2,
nah Zacard did all the innovation for orc, stuff like popularising raider use (now essential in all MUs, and i think zacard used BM first, was vs ToD and ToD just didnt know how to deal with a BM and so he got beaten really badly.
Thats not to take anything away from Grubby ofc, he is still a god
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Since there seems to be some confusion about Moon's performance in GSL3, he made ro32. The only player he beat in the main tournament is ButterflyEffect. Objectively, qualifying for the GSL and then making it to ro32 is not a lousy performance, but it is not what you want if you are someone used to being the greatest player of all time. I'd chalk some of that up to his divided attention.
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On January 01 2011 06:17 Kyandid wrote:
Grubby is my hero and I will support him forever no matter how bad he is at SC2.
Even if he wants to play protoss, I will cheer for my orc brother.
BIG TRUE ! GRUBBY IS HERO <3 !
About race i dunno, but I saw one-two time play him terran, but it doesnt mean anything.
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Grubby is in progaming same thing like Michael Jackson for pop music or Eminem for rap.
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On January 01 2011 10:05 L3g3nd_ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2011 10:03 Kipsate wrote:
Hmm, if i recall correctly(correct me if i am wrong) Grubby was the player to come with hardcore Blademaster play at a high level and finally finding a counter to the druid of talon NE players, or something. Either way I am biased since i am Dutch aswell, however I would really like to see him playing SC2, nah Zacard did all the innovation for orc, stuff like popularising raider use (now essential in all MUs, and i think zacard used BM first, was vs ToD and ToD just didnt know how to deal with a BM and so he got beaten really badly. Thats not to take anything away from Grubby ofc, he is still a god
IIRC Zacard first did raiders vs undead and Grubby was the first high profile player to use them VS NE, at least from what I remember from watching a lot of replays from around that time. Blademaster was indeed Zacard, Grubby actually stayed with Far Seer for quite awhile after the meta-game switch.
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Pretty cool I'd say, while not being a fanatic WC3 follower, I'm kind of biased towards Dutch making moves within esports, being Dutch myself, so rooting for the home team sorta. Wish him all the luck. How he will do? Who knows, this shit takes a lot of practice, experienced or not, WC3 is a different game, but he'll be able show his talent I'm sure, whether it'll take a while or not, I'll be rooting for him. GG
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Grubby was the first progamer I followed; I will be his fan even if he is horrible at SC2.
Having said that, once he is finally focused on SC2 (esp when he sees all the money in it), and when he gets in the EG house with everyone else, he will def become one of the best.
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Personally, I attribute Moon's success so far as a hybrid gamer to the fact that the Starcraft 2 scene is still largely dominated by a bunch of "has been's" and "never were's". Sure, Boxer was a star 8 years ago, but he was a third-rate player by the time he switched. Moon is certainly one of the top WC3 players of all time in skill and as such, it's really not surprising for him to be competitive in a scene dominated by inferior players. Grubby will certainly be just as strong for the same reason. The question is whether or not he'll be able to stay competitive as more talented players switch over with full dedication to the game. I think it would be better for him to make a full switch sooner rather than later to stay ahead of the increasing competition, especially with the fate of the BW scene being as uncertain as it is with these lawsuits.
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Personally, I attribute Moon's success so far as a hybrid gamer to the fact that the Starcraft 2 scene is still largely dominated by a bunch of "has been's" and "never were's". Sure, Boxer was a star 8 years ago, but he was a third-rate player by the time he switched. Moon is certainly one of the top WC3 players of all time in skill and as such, it's really not surprising for him to be competitive in a scene dominated by inferior players. Grubby will certainly be just as strong for the same reason. The question is whether or not he'll be able to stay competitive as more talented players switch over with full dedication to the game. I think it would be better for him to make a full switch sooner rather than later to stay ahead of the increasing competition, especially with the fate of the BW scene being as uncertain as it is with these lawsuits.
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On January 01 2011 10:02 niteReloaded wrote:
I can't be the only one who interpreted this as "I'm switching to SC2, but I'll keep showing up on War3 tournaments to earn some free moniez."
It really makes sense. Why would he quit competing in War3 if he has a pretty good chance to win something even with 5% of the usual practice? (I'm don't really know anything about War3 besides recognizing the names Grubby and Moon, but if he's as great as his reputation, it's the equivalent of like Stork/Jaedong/Flash switching to a new game and deciding to keep competing in SC)
If that's not the case, and he intends to split the practice time evenly, he'll be a complete failure.
Not Grubby, or Moon, will win a single nickel with 5% of the usual practice, it's still quite fierce competition at top level. The Chinese players will give it their all and they are pretty even right now. Do you think Jaedong or Stork would win anything if they cut down their practice to 5%? They would get destroyed within months.
In the long run it doesn't matter to Grubby's SC2 career if he doesn't commit full time in 2011.
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