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iEchoic
United States1776 Posts
On September 13 2010 06:46 Half wrote: lolwut. You simultaneously want a competitive game and a game with less avenues for competitive development. I think you would be pretty well suited for WoW arenas. Doing repetitive clicking crap isn't competitive development, give me a break. User was warned for this post | ||
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Sylvr
United States524 Posts
On September 13 2010 06:42 iEchoic wrote: It has no downside, only an upside. It's mandatory if you want to compete (which I do) . It just made the game less fun for me. Video games are for fun. If things like this are tedious to you, then I think you aren't as competitive as you think you are. | ||
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CooLMaN
Israel4 Posts
On September 13 2010 06:44 frog HERO wrote: If you haven't dedicated your life to SC2 mechanics then why do you expect to win against someone who has? Starcraft2 skill relays on more than just mechanics | ||
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vyyye
Sweden3917 Posts
On September 13 2010 06:46 Gecko wrote: well, This is starcraft 2 and if you want to optimize your play in starcraft 2 your going to have to do this unless it gets patched. Sure, never said otherwise. It probably will get patched, Blizzard has shown they want to get rid of 'silly' APM sinks in SC2. Automine, auto repair, auto focus, Their vision of SC2 doesn't have manually putting workers on mining and the likes. I don't really care about this feature personally, gives me something to do during the early game but it doesn't really fall in line with the rest of the game. | ||
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Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo
Germany2959 Posts
On September 13 2010 06:47 iEchoic wrote: Doing repetitive clicking crap isn't competitive development, give me a break. This, for fucks sake. There is NOTHING strategic / tactical at all with this. It's a pure spam mechanic in the early game which none would like to do but has to in order to prevent a disadvantage. Blizzard designed this game with less tedious mechanics in mind to give room for interesting stuff, I just hope they do fix this. Edit: Remember the Grubby interview from the SC2 Countdown Party? He explicitly explained how he likes the fact that Starcraft 2 has a lot improved mechanics and has gone away from tedious clicking requirements such as no multiple building selection, no automine etc. A lot players agree with him (I certainly do and of course did so way before that interview). And yes, games are supposed to be funny. Only a minority plays the game in order to be competitive. If you're telling a newbie, "hey, wanna play ladder? better be ready to repeat the most tedious bullshit every first minute in every frigging game LOLOL". Guess what said newbie is going to say? "No, thanks. What unhandy RTS is this?" | ||
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qoiN
Sweden576 Posts
On September 13 2010 06:48 CooLMaN wrote: Starcraft2 skill relays on more than just mechanics Good, then skip this trick and focus on improving other parts instead and win by being better at those. | ||
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ltortoise
633 Posts
On September 13 2010 06:46 Half wrote: See how exceptional that was? Only when the opponent is literally rushing his base with banshees. That shows that theirs a very effective skill cap on Larvae injection, while the skill cap on this mechanic is so much higher. It doesn't matter how exceptional it is or isn't. The fact that larvae inject is a choice is built-in. It was designed to be a choice, and it always will be, and EVERY other macro mechanic involves plenty of choice. It only takes ONE exception to disprove the idea, and I listed two, one of which (choosing to spread creep) is pretty abstract. | ||
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Ryzu
United States369 Posts
SC2 players laughing at BW players who think mindlessly spamming buttons equals strategic skill. This is going to turn out to be one very useless thread. User was warned for this post | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On September 13 2010 06:44 iEchoic wrote: Exactly. This mechanic involves no choice. There is no choice like between a scan and a mule. It's basically "just do it and get free minerals, if you don't, you don't". There's no strategical merit to this at all. I love how SC1 players think that doing stupid mindless clicking bullshit is the epitome of skill. This is the kind of stuff that makes game less likely to become legitimate e-sports. That "stupid mindless clicking bullshit" is what made BW have so much depth. Of course this isn't strategical, but it is helping your macro. If someone learns to harnass these tools, they should justly be rewarded for it. In agreement with a previous poster, this trick isn't gamechanging. Its a helpful trick that can help get you ahead. It's not like doing this will make you win automatically. | ||
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iEchoic
United States1776 Posts
On September 13 2010 06:47 Sylvr wrote: If things like this are tedious to you, then I think you aren't as competitive as you think you are. I am competitive, but I don't take pride in out-clicking my opponent. I'm a thinking human being, and this is a strategy game, I'm not a robot mashing the big red button on hungry hungry hippos. | ||
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Gecko
United States519 Posts
On September 13 2010 06:47 iEchoic wrote: Doing repetitive clicking crap isn't competitive development, give me a break. It creates a mechanical skill gap between players, and improving your mechanical skill is competitive development. | ||
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psion
106 Posts
On September 13 2010 06:44 iEchoic wrote: Exactly. This mechanic involves no choice. There is no choice like between a scan and a mule. It's basically "just do it and get free minerals, if you don't, you don't". There's no strategical merit to this at all. I love how SC1 players think that doing stupid mindless clicking bullshit is the epitome of skill. This is the kind of stuff that makes games less likely to become legitimate e-sports. Sending workers to minerals has no strategical merit. It's basically "just do it and get free minerals, if you don't, you don't." | ||
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leveller
Sweden1840 Posts
I think this is just beyond all means RIDICULOUS though. For a game made in 2010, this cannot be considered as anything but a bug. I understand that the BW crowd feels nostalgic but this will just straight up, make starcraft 2 a worse and less enjoyable game for me and a lot of other people. | ||
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asdfjh
Canada230 Posts
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ltortoise
633 Posts
On September 13 2010 06:53 psion wrote: Sending workers to minerals has no strategical merit. It's basically "just do it and get free minerals, if you don't, you don't." You are mixing things up. You could choose to not use your workers for mining, they could be doing something else. However, IF you have decided that you want them mining, then obviously you want them mining as quickly as possible. That is why there is no choice. If you want mining to be done, you want it to be done as quickly as possible, that's that. | ||
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wxwx
527 Posts
This Fantistic guy is probably button mashing @ his mineral line, thinking to himself how 'hard-working' he is while he moves his mouse across the desk at the speed of light. We're talking about a videogame. In the end, he's playing this game in his free time, with his ass in a chair. | ||
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-Frog-
United States514 Posts
On September 13 2010 06:48 CooLMaN wrote: Starcraft2 skill relays on more than just mechanics Where did I claim it wasn't? Starcraft 2 skill is highly dependent on your decision making and strategy but equally (if not more so) dependent on your mechanics. If you want to play a game that relies only on your intellect and not on your keyboard/mouse skills then play Chess. Don't play SC2 and expect to be able to win without using your keyboard and your mouse as effectively as possible. | ||
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Archaic
United States4024 Posts
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On September 13 2010 06:51 iEchoic wrote: Another problem with this is that it's going to be very easy to exploit. You could write up a macro to queue these actions with any software that comes with any razer/logitech product and zip through your scvs doing this really easily. I am competitive, but I don't take pride in out-clicking my opponent. I'm a thinking human being, and this is a strategy game, I'm not a robot mashing the big red button on hungry hungry hippos. Alright, but pretty sure those are illegal(I would hope so at the very least.) Congragulations, even businesses are doing better now! And this a RTS, but this is also an Real time strategy GAME. If you want to be competitive you should be able to master the game inside and out, and to the best of your ability be able to mine the best. Downsides? Oh my gosh, you can't be lazy for the first 3 minutes of the game! You actually have to do stuff! The way I see it this is another trick that can help differentiate the pros from the Joes, and will help increase the skill gap that will make SC2 live on. | ||
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TaimalaiX
Canada88 Posts
On September 13 2010 06:51 iEchoic wrote: I am competitive, but I don't take pride in out-clicking my opponent. I'm a thinking human being, and this is a strategy game, I'm not a robot mashing the big red button on hungry hungry hippos. Clearly you're new to Hungry, Hungry Hippos. It's all about timing. | ||
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