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A guy like Qxc doesn't dare to stand up against Idra, so their balance discussion is pointless.
The moment Idra will ever run into any resistance he just cries and tries to escape into bad mannerism.
Why do people still take him serious?
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Keep it up you guys. Soon the show wont even come on anymore because of all the whining.
It's not ego's it's manners, it wasn't Avilo's show and he was being rude.
Idra and Avilo have a history, of course it wont be friendly especially with the guest being rude.
A lot of you need perspective and a sense of humor.
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On July 01 2012 00:38 Prox wrote:
A guy like Qxc doesn't dare to stand up against Idra, so their balance discussion is pointless.
The moment Idra will ever run into any resistance he just cries and tries to escape into bad mannerism.
Why do people still take him serious?
Why do you bring this?
Qxc can't win the debate, because he is a rational being who has a rationally taking for account that not enough time has passed and that terrans haven't tried new things. Coupled with the fact that gsl terrans are changing and it's working more and more.
How can you possibly expect one to ''win'' the debate, or perform ones arguments as superior when the proof of burden lies on him, and not enough time has went by to gather it.
Qxc is being completely rational and civil about this, and the criticizing in general just baffles me as angry twats who equal retorts with ''winning'' the argument.
Pure poison are these people, especially as most of them take liberty in twisting and interpreting Qxc's words.
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Kennigit is the man, jp incontrol and idra it's time to grow up.
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On July 01 2012 00:44 Facultyadjutant wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 00:38 Prox wrote:
A guy like Qxc doesn't dare to stand up against Idra, so their balance discussion is pointless.
The moment Idra will ever run into any resistance he just cries and tries to escape into bad mannerism.
Why do people still take him serious? Why do you bring this? Qxc can't win the debate, because he is a rational being who has a rationally taking for account that not enough time has passed and that terrans haven't tried new things. Coupled with the fact that gsl terrans are changing and it's working more and more. How can you possibly expect one to ''win'' the debate, or perform ones arguments as superior when the proof of burden lies on him, and not enough time has went by to gather it. Qxc is being completely rational and civil about this, and the criticizing in general just baffles me as angry twats who equal retorts with ''winning'' the argument. Pure poison are these people, especially as most of them take liberty in twisting and interpreting Qxc's words.
I though QXC really won the debate by Idra-selfownage anyway. All the time he was saying "go 3 OC, go 3 OC" but then he brought up how zergs in Korea are beating 3 OC builds by all-ing, which means the answer obviously isn't 3 OC.
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On July 01 2012 00:59 Quotidian wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 00:44 Facultyadjutant wrote:On July 01 2012 00:38 Prox wrote:
A guy like Qxc doesn't dare to stand up against Idra, so their balance discussion is pointless.
The moment Idra will ever run into any resistance he just cries and tries to escape into bad mannerism.
Why do people still take him serious? Why do you bring this? Qxc can't win the debate, because he is a rational being who has a rationally taking for account that not enough time has passed and that terrans haven't tried new things. Coupled with the fact that gsl terrans are changing and it's working more and more. How can you possibly expect one to ''win'' the debate, or perform ones arguments as superior when the proof of burden lies on him, and not enough time has went by to gather it. Qxc is being completely rational and civil about this, and the criticizing in general just baffles me as angry twats who equal retorts with ''winning'' the argument. Pure poison are these people, especially as most of them take liberty in twisting and interpreting Qxc's words. I though QXC really won the debate by Idra-selfownage anyway. All the time he was saying "go 3 OC, go 3 OC" but then he brought up how zergs in Korea are beating 3 OC builds by all-ing, which means the answer obviously isn't 3 OC.
Obviously
Obviously
Obviously
Obviously you should never post again
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On July 01 2012 00:59 Quotidian wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 00:44 Facultyadjutant wrote:On July 01 2012 00:38 Prox wrote:
A guy like Qxc doesn't dare to stand up against Idra, so their balance discussion is pointless.
The moment Idra will ever run into any resistance he just cries and tries to escape into bad mannerism.
Why do people still take him serious? Why do you bring this? Qxc can't win the debate, because he is a rational being who has a rationally taking for account that not enough time has passed and that terrans haven't tried new things. Coupled with the fact that gsl terrans are changing and it's working more and more. How can you possibly expect one to ''win'' the debate, or perform ones arguments as superior when the proof of burden lies on him, and not enough time has went by to gather it. Qxc is being completely rational and civil about this, and the criticizing in general just baffles me as angry twats who equal retorts with ''winning'' the argument. Pure poison are these people, especially as most of them take liberty in twisting and interpreting Qxc's words. I though QXC really won the debate by Idra-selfownage anyway. All the time he was saying "go 3 OC, go 3 OC" but then he brought up how zergs in Korea are beating 3 OC builds by all-ing, which means the answer obviously isn't 3 OC.
Idra obviously brought that up to show the metagame in Korea already evolved into zerg anticipating terran going 3 oc, hence straying away from the builds that made terran go 3 oc in the first place.
I can fully understand why Idra rages when discussing balance with people who don't get it and then twist his words in such a way that makes him look like the dummy.
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On July 01 2012 01:03 Let it Raine wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 00:59 Quotidian wrote:On July 01 2012 00:44 Facultyadjutant wrote:On July 01 2012 00:38 Prox wrote:
A guy like Qxc doesn't dare to stand up against Idra, so their balance discussion is pointless.
The moment Idra will ever run into any resistance he just cries and tries to escape into bad mannerism.
Why do people still take him serious? Why do you bring this? Qxc can't win the debate, because he is a rational being who has a rationally taking for account that not enough time has passed and that terrans haven't tried new things. Coupled with the fact that gsl terrans are changing and it's working more and more. How can you possibly expect one to ''win'' the debate, or perform ones arguments as superior when the proof of burden lies on him, and not enough time has went by to gather it. Qxc is being completely rational and civil about this, and the criticizing in general just baffles me as angry twats who equal retorts with ''winning'' the argument. Pure poison are these people, especially as most of them take liberty in twisting and interpreting Qxc's words. I though QXC really won the debate by Idra-selfownage anyway. All the time he was saying "go 3 OC, go 3 OC" but then he brought up how zergs in Korea are beating 3 OC builds by all-ing, which means the answer obviously isn't 3 OC. Obviously Obviously Obviously Obviously you should never post again
what a quality post
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On July 01 2012 01:05 Quotidian wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 01:03 Let it Raine wrote:On July 01 2012 00:59 Quotidian wrote:On July 01 2012 00:44 Facultyadjutant wrote:On July 01 2012 00:38 Prox wrote:
A guy like Qxc doesn't dare to stand up against Idra, so their balance discussion is pointless.
The moment Idra will ever run into any resistance he just cries and tries to escape into bad mannerism.
Why do people still take him serious? Why do you bring this? Qxc can't win the debate, because he is a rational being who has a rationally taking for account that not enough time has passed and that terrans haven't tried new things. Coupled with the fact that gsl terrans are changing and it's working more and more. How can you possibly expect one to ''win'' the debate, or perform ones arguments as superior when the proof of burden lies on him, and not enough time has went by to gather it. Qxc is being completely rational and civil about this, and the criticizing in general just baffles me as angry twats who equal retorts with ''winning'' the argument. Pure poison are these people, especially as most of them take liberty in twisting and interpreting Qxc's words. I though QXC really won the debate by Idra-selfownage anyway. All the time he was saying "go 3 OC, go 3 OC" but then he brought up how zergs in Korea are beating 3 OC builds by all-ing, which means the answer obviously isn't 3 OC. Obviously Obviously Obviously Obviously you should never post again what a quality post
Please don't respond to people calling you out on your retardation unless its something to save face
User was temp banned for this post.
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On July 01 2012 01:09 Let it Raine wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 01:05 Quotidian wrote:On July 01 2012 01:03 Let it Raine wrote:On July 01 2012 00:59 Quotidian wrote:On July 01 2012 00:44 Facultyadjutant wrote:On July 01 2012 00:38 Prox wrote:
A guy like Qxc doesn't dare to stand up against Idra, so their balance discussion is pointless.
The moment Idra will ever run into any resistance he just cries and tries to escape into bad mannerism.
Why do people still take him serious? Why do you bring this? Qxc can't win the debate, because he is a rational being who has a rationally taking for account that not enough time has passed and that terrans haven't tried new things. Coupled with the fact that gsl terrans are changing and it's working more and more. How can you possibly expect one to ''win'' the debate, or perform ones arguments as superior when the proof of burden lies on him, and not enough time has went by to gather it. Qxc is being completely rational and civil about this, and the criticizing in general just baffles me as angry twats who equal retorts with ''winning'' the argument. Pure poison are these people, especially as most of them take liberty in twisting and interpreting Qxc's words. I though QXC really won the debate by Idra-selfownage anyway. All the time he was saying "go 3 OC, go 3 OC" but then he brought up how zergs in Korea are beating 3 OC builds by all-ing, which means the answer obviously isn't 3 OC. Obviously Obviously Obviously Obviously you should never post again what a quality post Please don't respond to people calling you out on your retardation unless its something to save face
This is exactly what Kennigit is talking about. It's his opinion man. Chill. He is allowed to post it and you don't need to be so rude about it.
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On July 01 2012 00:59 Quotidian wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 00:44 Facultyadjutant wrote:On July 01 2012 00:38 Prox wrote:
A guy like Qxc doesn't dare to stand up against Idra, so their balance discussion is pointless.
The moment Idra will ever run into any resistance he just cries and tries to escape into bad mannerism.
Why do people still take him serious? Why do you bring this? Qxc can't win the debate, because he is a rational being who has a rationally taking for account that not enough time has passed and that terrans haven't tried new things. Coupled with the fact that gsl terrans are changing and it's working more and more. How can you possibly expect one to ''win'' the debate, or perform ones arguments as superior when the proof of burden lies on him, and not enough time has went by to gather it. Qxc is being completely rational and civil about this, and the criticizing in general just baffles me as angry twats who equal retorts with ''winning'' the argument. Pure poison are these people, especially as most of them take liberty in twisting and interpreting Qxc's words. I though QXC really won the debate by Idra-selfownage anyway. All the time he was saying "go 3 OC, go 3 OC" but then he brought up how zergs in Korea are beating 3 OC builds by all-ing, which means the answer obviously isn't 3 OC.
How can anyone win or lose a debate definitely when it was just a discussion about the current options and their viability from a present and theory standpoint. It-s impossible for anyone of them to ''win'' anything because you have nothing to win with; that was what was so admirable by qxc, that he acknowledged that and didn't discuss the issue from a standpoint that had the presumption that the current information was basis enough to lay a definitive critic. Idra laid out a solution to an issue, which brings new issues which qxc naturally pointed out and then advanced the dicussion; this is of course totally expected as in starcraft, everything has counters. The discussion was about these counters viability and the problems associated with them from a theoretic point of view , as there is not enough evidence at this time.
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On July 01 2012 00:59 Quotidian wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 00:44 Facultyadjutant wrote:On July 01 2012 00:38 Prox wrote:
A guy like Qxc doesn't dare to stand up against Idra, so their balance discussion is pointless.
The moment Idra will ever run into any resistance he just cries and tries to escape into bad mannerism.
Why do people still take him serious? Why do you bring this? Qxc can't win the debate, because he is a rational being who has a rationally taking for account that not enough time has passed and that terrans haven't tried new things. Coupled with the fact that gsl terrans are changing and it's working more and more. How can you possibly expect one to ''win'' the debate, or perform ones arguments as superior when the proof of burden lies on him, and not enough time has went by to gather it. Qxc is being completely rational and civil about this, and the criticizing in general just baffles me as angry twats who equal retorts with ''winning'' the argument. Pure poison are these people, especially as most of them take liberty in twisting and interpreting Qxc's words. I though QXC really won the debate by Idra-selfownage anyway. All the time he was saying "go 3 OC, go 3 OC" but then he brought up how zergs in Korea are beating 3 OC builds by all-ing, which means the answer obviously isn't 3 OC.
Oh my. I will keep it simple and say I don't like this post. Here's why:
Just because K Zergs have found a weakness in a build doesn't mean it wasn't the answer to the first problem. T has a problem that Z can drone to heavy and freely. So T goes 3 OC early and builds a ton of SCVs so their eco is strong too. And you thing there should be nothing the Z can do about it?
Let me put it simple. If I am playing a PvZ and Z goes Mutas and I make Blink stalkers... Should it then be impossible for Z to make infestors at that point?
It's like you think T should have a unit or a way to play that Zerg can't deal with and that is just horrible. They metagame and every individuel game is "supposed" to be "I do something, so you do something to counter, so I do something to counter-counter". That is STRATEGY. Just because K Zergs are smart and exploid a weakness in a T build doesn't make it imbalanced. Every build has weaknesses. Like Terrans early timings against P. P is weak from when stim finishes to they get splash.
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On July 01 2012 01:03 Let it Raine wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 00:59 Quotidian wrote:On July 01 2012 00:44 Facultyadjutant wrote:On July 01 2012 00:38 Prox wrote:
A guy like Qxc doesn't dare to stand up against Idra, so their balance discussion is pointless.
The moment Idra will ever run into any resistance he just cries and tries to escape into bad mannerism.
Why do people still take him serious? Why do you bring this? Qxc can't win the debate, because he is a rational being who has a rationally taking for account that not enough time has passed and that terrans haven't tried new things. Coupled with the fact that gsl terrans are changing and it's working more and more. How can you possibly expect one to ''win'' the debate, or perform ones arguments as superior when the proof of burden lies on him, and not enough time has went by to gather it. Qxc is being completely rational and civil about this, and the criticizing in general just baffles me as angry twats who equal retorts with ''winning'' the argument. Pure poison are these people, especially as most of them take liberty in twisting and interpreting Qxc's words. I though QXC really won the debate by Idra-selfownage anyway. All the time he was saying "go 3 OC, go 3 OC" but then he brought up how zergs in Korea are beating 3 OC builds by all-ing, which means the answer obviously isn't 3 OC. Obviously Obviously Obviously Obviously you should never post again
He said obviously once. Was that some sort of knee-jerk insta-rage where you read the same sentence over and over in your head and started thrashing or what?
Chill the fuck out.
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On July 01 2012 01:09 Let it Raine wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 01:05 Quotidian wrote:On July 01 2012 01:03 Let it Raine wrote:On July 01 2012 00:59 Quotidian wrote:On July 01 2012 00:44 Facultyadjutant wrote:On July 01 2012 00:38 Prox wrote:
A guy like Qxc doesn't dare to stand up against Idra, so their balance discussion is pointless.
The moment Idra will ever run into any resistance he just cries and tries to escape into bad mannerism.
Why do people still take him serious? Why do you bring this? Qxc can't win the debate, because he is a rational being who has a rationally taking for account that not enough time has passed and that terrans haven't tried new things. Coupled with the fact that gsl terrans are changing and it's working more and more. How can you possibly expect one to ''win'' the debate, or perform ones arguments as superior when the proof of burden lies on him, and not enough time has went by to gather it. Qxc is being completely rational and civil about this, and the criticizing in general just baffles me as angry twats who equal retorts with ''winning'' the argument. Pure poison are these people, especially as most of them take liberty in twisting and interpreting Qxc's words. I though QXC really won the debate by Idra-selfownage anyway. All the time he was saying "go 3 OC, go 3 OC" but then he brought up how zergs in Korea are beating 3 OC builds by all-ing, which means the answer obviously isn't 3 OC. Obviously Obviously Obviously Obviously you should never post again what a quality post Please don't respond to people calling you out on your retardation unless its something to save face
What's so "retarded" about it anyway? Blindly playing super greedy vs zerg doesn't work, especially as a general trend because it's too easy to "metagame" and two base zerg all-ins are very strong. And terran can't play reactively greedy vs zerg in the early game, because of the drone mechanic. If both play super greedy, terran will hit the midgame even or slightly behind, which sets terran up for terran having a hard time for the rest of the game
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wow not a fan of avilo but the way the hosts (idra) treated avilo was pretty disgusting . he was trying to bring up some legit points and idra's stubborness and bias completely got in the way. i really dont even think idra understands the current metagame in tvz by the stuff he was saying lol... honestly should get a new zerg for the show that isnt full of rage and understands the game better.. idk how he can get away with people calling bad after how far behind he is of current zergs , even NA zergs. get ez'd on ladder lol its pretty much free points when i see u, and im sure avilo would even smash u lol , well maybe not with the current state of zvt
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On July 01 2012 01:20 Quotidian wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 01:09 Let it Raine wrote:On July 01 2012 01:05 Quotidian wrote:On July 01 2012 01:03 Let it Raine wrote:On July 01 2012 00:59 Quotidian wrote:On July 01 2012 00:44 Facultyadjutant wrote:On July 01 2012 00:38 Prox wrote:
A guy like Qxc doesn't dare to stand up against Idra, so their balance discussion is pointless.
The moment Idra will ever run into any resistance he just cries and tries to escape into bad mannerism.
Why do people still take him serious? Why do you bring this? Qxc can't win the debate, because he is a rational being who has a rationally taking for account that not enough time has passed and that terrans haven't tried new things. Coupled with the fact that gsl terrans are changing and it's working more and more. How can you possibly expect one to ''win'' the debate, or perform ones arguments as superior when the proof of burden lies on him, and not enough time has went by to gather it. Qxc is being completely rational and civil about this, and the criticizing in general just baffles me as angry twats who equal retorts with ''winning'' the argument. Pure poison are these people, especially as most of them take liberty in twisting and interpreting Qxc's words. I though QXC really won the debate by Idra-selfownage anyway. All the time he was saying "go 3 OC, go 3 OC" but then he brought up how zergs in Korea are beating 3 OC builds by all-ing, which means the answer obviously isn't 3 OC. Obviously Obviously Obviously Obviously you should never post again what a quality post Please don't respond to people calling you out on your retardation unless its something to save face What's so "retarded" about it anyway? Blindly playing super greedy vs zerg doesn't work, especially as a general trend because it's too easy to "metagame" and two base zerg all-ins are very strong. And terran can't play reactively greedy vs zerg in the early game, because of the drone mechanic. If both play super greedy, terran will hit the midgame even or slightly behind, which sets terran up for terran having a hard time for the rest of the game
Because you are acting on anecdotal evidence from a relatively short period of time and lay a definitive premise from that. You discuss none of the solutions given but rather criticize them rather than deconstruct and lay forward a rebuttal.
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On June 30 2012 23:39 iSTerran wrote:
You guys are aware of how avilo acts right?
how you act on the ladder shouldn't really be brought up on the "NFL live" of Starcraft
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On July 01 2012 00:38 Blade Fox wrote:
Keep it up you guys. Soon the show wont even come on anymore because of all the whining.
It's not ego's it's manners, it wasn't Avilo's show and he was being rude.
Idra and Avilo have a history, of course it wont be friendly especially with the guest being rude.
A lot of you need perspective and a sense of humor.
Really? Avilo was being nothing but respectful the entire time. It was idra who came off as rude, I think you need to re-watch it.
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On July 01 2012 01:18 Mozdk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 00:59 Quotidian wrote:On July 01 2012 00:44 Facultyadjutant wrote:On July 01 2012 00:38 Prox wrote:
A guy like Qxc doesn't dare to stand up against Idra, so their balance discussion is pointless.
The moment Idra will ever run into any resistance he just cries and tries to escape into bad mannerism.
Why do people still take him serious? Why do you bring this? Qxc can't win the debate, because he is a rational being who has a rationally taking for account that not enough time has passed and that terrans haven't tried new things. Coupled with the fact that gsl terrans are changing and it's working more and more. How can you possibly expect one to ''win'' the debate, or perform ones arguments as superior when the proof of burden lies on him, and not enough time has went by to gather it. Qxc is being completely rational and civil about this, and the criticizing in general just baffles me as angry twats who equal retorts with ''winning'' the argument. Pure poison are these people, especially as most of them take liberty in twisting and interpreting Qxc's words. I though QXC really won the debate by Idra-selfownage anyway. All the time he was saying "go 3 OC, go 3 OC" but then he brought up how zergs in Korea are beating 3 OC builds by all-ing, which means the answer obviously isn't 3 OC. It's like you think T should have a unit or a way to play that Zerg can't deal with and that is just horrible. They metagame and every individuel game is "supposed" to be "I do something, so you do something to counter, so I do something to counter-counter". That is STRATEGY. Just because K Zergs are smart and exploid a weakness in a T build doesn't make it imbalanced. Every build has weaknesses. Like Terrans early timings against P. P is weak from when stim finishes to they get splash.
tvz and pvz are completely different match ups. There's no point in comparing them,
And as the game currently stands, zerg should feel genuinely worried about for example hellions. But the recent patch shuts down everything until stim is done, like QXC said
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Hi guys. I have been away for a couple of months.
My biggest question now is; Why is'nt Day9 in any recent episode? He is'nt even listed as one of the pillers anymore.
Can someone explain the situation to me?
Thanks.
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