On July 01 2012 00:38 Blade Fox wrote: Keep it up you guys. Soon the show wont even come on anymore because of all the whining.
It's not ego's it's manners, it wasn't Avilo's show and he was being rude.
Idra and Avilo have a history, of course it wont be friendly especially with the guest being rude.
A lot of you need perspective and a sense of humor.
Really? Avilo was being nothing but respectful the entire time. It was idra who came off as rude, I think you need to re-watch it.
Twisting Idra's words so they looked like he was arguing Avilo's own point (which is what made Idra angry in the first place) and not letting him finish is your idea of respectful. Maybe you need to re-watch it?
I think that the only real way to send them a message that we don't like the way the show has been lately, is simply stop watching it. So instead of agrueing just don't watch
On July 01 2012 00:38 Prox wrote: A guy like Qxc doesn't dare to stand up against Idra, so their balance discussion is pointless.
The moment Idra will ever run into any resistance he just cries and tries to escape into bad mannerism. Why do people still take him serious?
Why do you bring this?
Qxc can't win the debate, because he is a rational being who has a rationally taking for account that not enough time has passed and that terrans haven't tried new things. Coupled with the fact that gsl terrans are changing and it's working more and more.
How can you possibly expect one to ''win'' the debate, or perform ones arguments as superior when the proof of burden lies on him, and not enough time has went by to gather it.
Qxc is being completely rational and civil about this, and the criticizing in general just baffles me as angry twats who equal retorts with ''winning'' the argument.
Pure poison are these people, especially as most of them take liberty in twisting and interpreting Qxc's words.
I though QXC really won the debate by Idra-selfownage anyway. All the time he was saying "go 3 OC, go 3 OC" but then he brought up how zergs in Korea are beating 3 OC builds by all-ing, which means the answer obviously isn't 3 OC.
It's like you think T should have a unit or a way to play that Zerg can't deal with and that is just horrible. They metagame and every individuel game is "supposed" to be "I do something, so you do something to counter, so I do something to counter-counter". That is STRATEGY. Just because K Zergs are smart and exploid a weakness in a T build doesn't make it imbalanced. Every build has weaknesses. Like Terrans early timings against P. P is weak from when stim finishes to they get splash.
tvz and pvz are completely different match ups. There's no point in comparing them,
And as the game currently stands, zerg should feel genuinely worried about for example hellions. But the recent patch shuts down everything until stim is done, like QXC said
I wasn't trying to compare the matchups. I was arguing that your whole point didn't make sense because you think that if you counter something, you yourself shouldn't be able to be countered.
On July 01 2012 00:38 Blade Fox wrote: Keep it up you guys. Soon the show wont even come on anymore because of all the whining.
It's not ego's it's manners, it wasn't Avilo's show and he was being rude.
Idra and Avilo have a history, of course it wont be friendly especially with the guest being rude.
A lot of you need perspective and a sense of humor.
Really? Avilo was being nothing but respectful the entire time. It was idra who came off as rude, I think you need to re-watch it.
Twisting Idra's words so they looked like he was arguing Avilo's own point (which is what made Idra angry in the first place) and not letting him finish is your idea of respectful. Maybe you need to re-watch it?
Maybe you should rewatch it. IdrA was beying a jerk way before that. Beying sarcastic, giving him bad names even before he is on the show. IdrA wasa total dick.
On July 01 2012 01:28 drsenil wrote: Hi guys. I have been away for a couple of months. My biggest question now is; Why is'nt Day9 in any recent episode? He is'nt even listed as one of the pillers anymore. Can someone explain the situation to me? Thanks.
the last 2 SOTG's sucked and we were overly mean/rude to people in both of those. We will do better ! ! ! ! !
BUT
if you keep talking about this I will beat you up, steal your lunch money and give you a swirlie whilst wearing a leather gracket and stone washed jeans.
On July 01 2012 00:38 Prox wrote: A guy like Qxc doesn't dare to stand up against Idra, so their balance discussion is pointless.
The moment Idra will ever run into any resistance he just cries and tries to escape into bad mannerism. Why do people still take him serious?
Why do you bring this?
Qxc can't win the debate, because he is a rational being who has a rationally taking for account that not enough time has passed and that terrans haven't tried new things. Coupled with the fact that gsl terrans are changing and it's working more and more.
How can you possibly expect one to ''win'' the debate, or perform ones arguments as superior when the proof of burden lies on him, and not enough time has went by to gather it.
Qxc is being completely rational and civil about this, and the criticizing in general just baffles me as angry twats who equal retorts with ''winning'' the argument.
Pure poison are these people, especially as most of them take liberty in twisting and interpreting Qxc's words.
I though QXC really won the debate by Idra-selfownage anyway. All the time he was saying "go 3 OC, go 3 OC" but then he brought up how zergs in Korea are beating 3 OC builds by all-ing, which means the answer obviously isn't 3 OC.
It's like you think T should have a unit or a way to play that Zerg can't deal with and that is just horrible. They metagame and every individuel game is "supposed" to be "I do something, so you do something to counter, so I do something to counter-counter". That is STRATEGY. Just because K Zergs are smart and exploid a weakness in a T build doesn't make it imbalanced. Every build has weaknesses. Like Terrans early timings against P. P is weak from when stim finishes to they get splash.
tvz and pvz are completely different match ups. There's no point in comparing them,
And as the game currently stands, zerg should feel genuinely worried about for example hellions. But the recent patch shuts down everything until stim is done, like QXC said
Heavy queen openings bring forward exploitable weaknesses themselves which idra pointed out. The fallacy is that opening hellions need to inherently do direct damage, but rather it is up to zerg to judge wether to be greedy or safe. Many zergs droned undisturbed even before the queen change, the queen range has had little to do with it. Rather it's the creep spread that is the problem. However that is easily solved by bringing two scv's that repair the hellions so you can continuously challenge the queens.
On July 01 2012 00:38 Blade Fox wrote: Keep it up you guys. Soon the show wont even come on anymore because of all the whining.
It's not ego's it's manners, it wasn't Avilo's show and he was being rude.
Idra and Avilo have a history, of course it wont be friendly especially with the guest being rude.
A lot of you need perspective and a sense of humor.
Really? Avilo was being nothing but respectful the entire time. It was idra who came off as rude, I think you need to re-watch it.
Twisting Idra's words so they looked like he was arguing Avilo's own point (which is what made Idra angry in the first place) and not letting him finish is your idea of respectful. Maybe you need to re-watch it?
It's one thing twisting someone's words it's another thing entirely when someone dismisses you as being "fucking retarded" or whatever IdrA said to him, his entire demeanor was basically "I dont care what you have to say but amuse me". IdrA also said something along the lines of "he's dumb, I'm not going to talk to him anymore", it doesn't take a genius to see who was being more disrespectful.
Avilo may have missed on social cues and if he cut IdrA off mid-speech it may be because of a point he wanted to get in or the stream delay or something. I didn't see avilo once say anything disrespectful about anyone, in fact didn't he mention that he agreed with IdrA in the end?
Just because K Zergs have found a weakness in a build doesn't mean it wasn't the answer to the first problem. T has a problem that Z can drone to heavy and freely. So T goes 3 OC early and builds a ton of SCVs so their eco is strong too. And you thing there should be nothing the Z can do about it?
I have no opinion on whether or not ZvT is imbalanced, but I think the point some terrans will make regarding what you just wrote is that while Z can all in a terran going quick 3 OC, a terran cannot really all-in counter a Z going his economy build (6queens into mass drones). I dunno if this is true though.
On July 01 2012 01:33 iNcontroL wrote: the last 2 SOTG's sucked and we were overly mean/rude to people in both of those. We will do better ! ! ! ! !
BUT
if you keep talking about this I will beat you up, steal your lunch money and give you a swirlie whilst wearing a leather gracket and stone washed jeans.
On July 01 2012 01:28 drsenil wrote: Hi guys. I have been away for a couple of months. My biggest question now is; Why is'nt Day9 in any recent episode? He is'nt even listed as one of the pillers anymore. Can someone explain the situation to me? Thanks.
He's on a vaccation!
That cant be the reason for removing him as one of the pillars?
On July 01 2012 01:33 iNcontroL wrote: the last 2 SOTG's sucked and we were overly mean/rude to people in both of those. We will do better ! ! ! ! !
BUT
if you keep talking about this I will beat you up, steal your lunch money and give you a swirlie whilst wearing a leather gracket and stone washed jeans.
On July 01 2012 01:33 iNcontroL wrote: the last 2 SOTG's sucked and we were overly mean/rude to people in both of those. We will do better ! ! ! ! !
BUT
if you keep talking about this I will beat you up, steal your lunch money and give you a swirlie whilst wearing a leather gracket and stone washed jeans.
Just because K Zergs have found a weakness in a build doesn't mean it wasn't the answer to the first problem. T has a problem that Z can drone to heavy and freely. So T goes 3 OC early and builds a ton of SCVs so their eco is strong too. And you thing there should be nothing the Z can do about it?
I have no opinion on whether or not ZvT is imbalanced, but I think the point some terrans will make regarding what you just wrote is that while Z can all in a terran going quick 3 OC, a terran cannot really all-in counter a Z going his economy build (6queens into mass drones). I dunno if this is true though.
An allin should work on the premise that a player both is greedy econ wise and tech wise or scouts it very late.
A reactionary allin shouldn't work (Unless he makes an idiotic number of drones) vs a 6 Queen opening as it sacrifice teching in favor of econ and safety.
However an early planned hard pressure build (1 rax expand > + 3 rax) can easily exploit it. Just like the preplanned roach/bane/ling pressure at around 8:30 can do good damage, or bar none if the terran prepares for it by going heavy bunkers or siege tanks. That sacrifices something (econ/tech) but keeps you safe. The same applies for queens. We will see if in time, terran players can exploit the opening. Just like it took 8 months to really punish heavy hellion w/ tech play by the roach/bling/ling pressure.
On July 01 2012 01:33 iNcontroL wrote: the last 2 SOTG's sucked and we were overly mean/rude to people in both of those. We will do better ! ! ! ! !
BUT
if you keep talking about this I will beat you up, steal your lunch money and give you a swirlie whilst wearing a leather gracket and stone washed jeans.
So you mean that if the community stops arguing about the Avilo incident you guys will improve the show?
Sounds like a good deal to me
In all seriousness, I don't think anybody is particularly to blame for what happened, just a few shaky judgment calls from a few people. Happens to everyone, so no need to make a big deal out of it.
On July 01 2012 01:33 iNcontroL wrote: the last 2 SOTG's sucked and we were overly mean/rude to people in both of those. We will do better ! ! ! ! !
BUT
if you keep talking about this I will beat you up, steal your lunch money and give you a swirlie whilst wearing a leather gracket and stone washed jeans.
Sad that it has come to this. But I guess you guys have no choice but to cater to the lowest common denominator.
On July 01 2012 01:33 iNcontroL wrote: the last 2 SOTG's sucked and we were overly mean/rude to people in both of those. We will do better ! ! ! ! !
BUT
if you keep talking about this I will beat you up, steal your lunch money and give you a swirlie whilst wearing a leather gracket and stone washed jeans.
Sad that it has come to this. But I guess you guys have no choice but to cater to the lowest common denominator.
If your idea of the lowest common denominator excludes sanctimonious bullshit in the vein of your post, then I sincerely hope they do.
On July 01 2012 00:38 Blade Fox wrote: Keep it up you guys. Soon the show wont even come on anymore because of all the whining.
It's not ego's it's manners, it wasn't Avilo's show and he was being rude.
Idra and Avilo have a history, of course it wont be friendly especially with the guest being rude.
A lot of you need perspective and a sense of humor.
Really? Avilo was being nothing but respectful the entire time. It was idra who came off as rude, I think you need to re-watch it.
Twisting Idra's words so they looked like he was arguing Avilo's own point (which is what made Idra angry in the first place) and not letting him finish is your idea of respectful. Maybe you need to re-watch it?
Maybe you should rewatch it. IdrA was beying a jerk way before that. Beying sarcastic, giving him bad names even before he is on the show. IdrA wasa total dick.
If that was the case that still doesn't change the fact that Avilo was twisting what Idra said.
EPT
