EPTOfficial State of the Game Podcast Thread - Page 2440
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Mabius
Canada323 Posts
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SMD
Canada627 Posts
On July 01 2012 01:54 Ireniicus wrote: In many peoples opinion the best way for the show to do better would be for you to step aside as it seems time and time again your inability to mature up reduces the show to a pantomine. This used to be the very best show in SC scene bar none and now its turning into 2 hour waste of peoples time. What exactly are you going to do better? Why should we trust you and stop talking about your poor behaviour in front of 10k people just so you can do it all again in 2-3 shows. TB last week, Avilo this, whose next? Everybody makes mistakes but you just keep on going, ridiculing people like its a sport and counting the times on that abacus. Also you are supposed to be Team Captain for EG and consequently because you are in a position of leadership should be held more accountable for your actions than that of Idra. Your first response was not really apologetic at all and it was only after further days worth of commentary (you would call it pitch forks) from viewers plus likes of Kennigit that you are now backtracking. Are you sincerely sorry or are you just playing lip service hoping this goes away until your bad side rears again? Lastly during the Orb issue you were complaining to people not to talk to sponsors because it would hurt eSports. Well , do you really think the likes of Coca Cola Management would watch last few episodes of SotG and think wow this would be a great market to invest some sponsorship $$ into? Think long and hard about this side of you, humble up a bit, act more like your far maturer better half (Anna) because you do have alot of potential. You casted great at Dreamhack...thats the side we want to see. In many peoples opinion, including my own, iNcontrol is the best entertainer on Sotg. I watch the show for the talk and discussion, but the best episodes are always the ones with good jokes, that get me laughing, and more often then not ( other than the artosis shark etc) its Geoff thats the entertainer. As in entertainer he sometimes may go too far for some of you ( I personally don't care, If your trying to be funny I understand its not ment to be hurtful or even serious), but that happens to many professional entertainers. | ||
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Kich
United States339 Posts
On July 01 2012 02:32 Facultyadjutant wrote: Because people don't have that information and thus from an outsiders perspective it looks like the established agent is shutting down the little man by using ''illegitimate'' means. You are on the premise that people know Avilo and have the same feelings about him like you do, but this just isn't the case. But they do have that information, they're purposefully not looking at it. You're posting on team liquid, you can, if you were so inclined, just search "avilo" in the search bar. His profile is the first hit. You can browse his entire post history. You can find out exactly who he is and how he is. You can watch his stream, you can see how he plays. To be perfectly honest he's kind of a little shit when you take the broad spectrum of his posts and how he acts on streams in tow. God forbid someone spends an hour informing themselves with information readily available to them. But that would take some effort and fuck, we can't have effort being put into shit. | ||
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WilDMousE
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MorroW
Sweden3522 Posts
i hope you keep bringing in new guests on the show like qxc avilio etc | ||
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terranuapart
Canada67 Posts
On July 01 2012 02:25 IdrA wrote: how on earth is this still going on avilo is a joke of a person, anyone who has watched him play, read anything hes written, or heard anything hes said knows that. he kind of tried to act presentable on the show, but he opened up trying to bitch at geoff and then as soon as i started talking he was talking over me and saying i agreed with him when i didnt. i was very short with him because i know his past outside the show and know he's not worth dealing with. just because someone tones it down once they get a big stage to preach their bullshit from doesnt make them any less of a waste of time. jp brought him on for some cheap laughs, he shouldntve done that and hes apologized, both publicly and to me, and it wont happen again. but avilo isnt supposed to be taken seriously and the fact that this has generated pages of discussion is absurd. Because your one to talk about pasts lmao. he was preaching bullshit? he brought up alot of valid points and by how you responded to both him and qxc about them makes it look like u have no clue on the current metagame in tvz.. or maybe any matchup in that case because i cant remember the last game you've won. idk how you're supposed to be taken more seriously then avilo tbh. time for a change in mindset or youre losing and ignorant ways will continue , which people have been saying forever but i guess that hasnt clicked for you yet. | ||
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SMD
Canada627 Posts
On July 01 2012 02:35 WilDMousE wrote: Sorry to ask but can someone link me the "mia rose" episode that incontrol tends to talk about? I think it was the christmas episdoe, drunk episode. taht was like 6hours? with callins and guests | ||
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eNbee
Belgium487 Posts
On July 01 2012 02:25 IdrA wrote: how on earth is this still going on avilo is a joke of a person, anyone who has watched him play, read anything hes written, or heard anything hes said knows that. he kind of tried to act presentable on the show, but he opened up trying to bitch at geoff and then as soon as i started talking he was talking over me and saying i agreed with him when i didnt. i was very short with him because i know his past outside the show and know he's not worth dealing with. just because someone tones it down once they get a big stage to preach their bullshit from doesnt make them any less of a waste of time. jp brought him on for some cheap laughs, he shouldntve done that and hes apologized, both publicly and to me, and it wont happen again. but avilo isnt supposed to be taken seriously and the fact that this has generated pages of discussion is absurd. I do recall you being far more diplomatic when the balance shoe was on the other foot! History between you and Avilo aside, from an outsiders' perspective it didn't seem like you were giving him fair treatment. That said I don't know the slightest thing about Avilo... Either way you didn't make yourself look good. | ||
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Mabius
Canada323 Posts
On July 01 2012 02:36 MorroW wrote: great last episode guys i hope you keep bringing in new guests on the show like qxc avilio etc +1 I like having some terran perspective on the show and people who aren't just close affiliates of each other like Idra + Inc | ||
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Facultyadjutant
Sweden1876 Posts
On July 01 2012 02:35 Kich wrote: But they do have that information, they're purposefully not looking at it. You're posting on team liquid, you can, if you were so inclined, just search "avilo" in the search bar. His profile is the first hit. You can browse his entire post history. You can find out exactly who he is and how he is. You can watch his stream, you can see how he plays. To be perfectly honest he's kind of a little shit when you take the broad spectrum of his posts in tow. God forbid someone spends an hour informing themselves with information readily available to them. But that would take some effort and fuck, we can't have effort being put into shit. I am not rebutting that, and I don't like Avilo, but I don't blame people who have never heard of Avilo before, that see him and than not checking his post history and vods but rather act on the information which was given by the players on Sotg and Avilo's showing himself. eNbee summed it up well On July 01 2012 02:37 eNbee wrote: I do recall you being far more diplomatic when the balance shoe was on the other foot! History between you and Avilo aside, from an outsiders' perspective it didn't seem like you were giving him fair treatment. That said I don't know the slightest thing about Avilo... Either way you didn't make yourself look good. | ||
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RedMage
United States52 Posts
On July 01 2012 02:37 eNbee wrote: I do recall you being far more diplomatic when the balance shoe was on the other foot! History between you and Avilo aside, from an outsiders' perspective it didn't seem like you were giving him fair treatment. That said I don't know the slightest thing about Avilo... Either way you didn't make yourself look good. When the "balance shoe was on the other foot" as you say, avilo was saying the exact same things he is now. | ||
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SMD
Canada627 Posts
On July 01 2012 02:36 terranuapart wrote: Because your one to talk about pasts lmao. he was preaching bullshit? he brought up alot of valid points and by how you responded to both him and qxc about them makes it look like u have no clue on the current metagame in tvz.. or maybe any matchup in that case because i cant remember the last game you've won. idk how you're supposed to be taken more seriously then avilo tbh. time for a change in mindset or youre losing and ignorant ways will continue , which people have been saying forever but i guess that hasnt clicked for you yet. He didnt really bring up any valid points that hadn't already been discussed with QXC, and QXC did it in a much more open way, and just didn't disregard everything idrA was saying. I still idra's point about terrans not finding the new balance yet is right, as in korea where they always flesh things out quicker, the terrans seem to be turning it around, or at least bringing it up to par. | ||
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Papulatus
United States669 Posts
On July 01 2012 02:25 IdrA wrote: how on earth is this still going on avilo is a joke of a person, anyone who has watched him play, read anything hes written, or heard anything hes said knows that. he kind of tried to act presentable on the show, but he opened up trying to bitch at geoff and then as soon as i started talking he was talking over me and saying i agreed with him when i didnt. i was very short with him because i know his past outside the show and know he's not worth dealing with. just because someone tones it down once they get a big stage to preach their bullshit from doesnt make them any less of a waste of time. jp brought him on for some cheap laughs, he shouldntve done that and hes apologized, both publicly and to me, and it wont happen again. but avilo isnt supposed to be taken seriously and the fact that this has generated pages of discussion is absurd. Because the SC2 scene has become an entity that feeds on drama. They spam SoTG chat to bring on Avilo and then complain when he has been brought on, even though the discussion was going nowhere. It seems the majority of this community is just waiting for the slightest bit of drama to happen so that they can write pages and pages of complaining and witch hunting. This is the same as with the Orb drama, Destiny drama, other SoTG drama etc... Most SC2 forums have just become a mass of complainers with amazingly thin skin. | ||
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SCST
Mexico1609 Posts
On July 01 2012 01:59 terranuapart wrote: lmao. its just funny that you guys bring on avilo reluctantly and it turns out idra is the one being a complete ass hat the whole time. i enjoy watching sotg because of you , tyler , artosis , and random guests that have good things to say and will watch regardless if idra is on or not but idk what the point is of having a balance discussion with someone so bias'd and stubborn as idra. I am not a frothing-at-the-mouth fan of Idra - on this though, I don't agree at all. Greg said over and over again it was a bad idea to bring this kid on the show and that he didn't want to talk to him. In addition, the entire cast even made predictions on how long it would take Greg to explode. So yes, Greg knew he would get angry, warned everyone against it and was still purposely ambushed. How can you possibly blame him? The simple matter is, Geoff and JP tried to make something funny happen and it turned out bad. Geoff and JP have apologized for the content and for being mean/rude - as they should have. They've man'd up and acknowledged the communities concerns. Furthermore it's not the epitomy of evil to have a temper like Greg, or to make mistakes as all of the hosts have done, even Nony. All are human traits. I doubt this will happen again, let's move on. | ||
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Kich
United States339 Posts
On July 01 2012 02:36 terranuapart wrote: Because your one to talk about pasts lmao. he was preaching bullshit? he brought up alot of valid points and by how you responded to both him and qxc about them makes it look like u have no clue on the current metagame in tvz.. or maybe any matchup in that case because i cant remember the last game you've won. idk how you're supposed to be taken more seriously then avilo tbh. time for a change in mindset or youre losing and ignorant ways will continue , which people have been saying forever but i guess that hasnt clicked for you yet. Which part are you referring to? Where Idra outlined possible strategies that can deal with the current situation, where when QXC tried to say that that doesn't work, Idra clearly states that his concerns aren't feasible because it's fundamentally impossible to have the economy to have the thing QXC / terrans are afraid of? Maybe it's because Terran's don't have that perspective, that they needed to be told "Hey we can't actually do what you think we can if we're doing this thing because we don't have the money to really pull that off." because gauging that is kind of hard on your own? Avilo was preaching bullshit. He was knee-deep (typo'd that knee-derp, thought about keeping it) in hyperbole and has gone so far as to say that TvZ in unwinnable, that literally every terran is thinking about race changing and strictly playing customs to avoid playing TvZ. How is that not bullshit? To think that in a game as deep and complex as Starcraft 2 that there's literally no answer to something, and when he's presented with opportunities, he did the equivalent of muffling his ears shouting "lalalalala" over Idra and then childishly twisted his words? I'd tell him to fuck off too. | ||
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skeldark
Germany2223 Posts
On July 01 2012 02:25 IdrA wrote: how on earth is this still going on avilo is a joke of a person, anyone who has watched him play, read anything hes written, or heard anything hes said knows that. he kind of tried to act presentable on the show, but he opened up trying to bitch at geoff and then as soon as i started talking he was talking over me and saying i agreed with him when i didnt. i was very short with him because i know his past outside the show and know he's not worth dealing with. just because someone tones it down once they get a big stage to preach their bullshit from doesnt make them any less of a waste of time. jp brought him on for some cheap laughs, he shouldntve done that and hes apologized, both publicly and to me, and it wont happen again. but avilo isnt supposed to be taken seriously and the fact that this has generated pages of discussion is absurd. Can be but same for you. Noone take you serious any-more so this is not about you. Its more about incontroll and jp because they had reputation to loose. | ||
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TT1
Canada10025 Posts
On July 01 2012 02:36 MorroW wrote: great last episode guys i hope you keep bringing in new guests on the show like qxc avilio etc avilio the magician | ||
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farvacola
United States18856 Posts
On July 01 2012 02:32 Facultyadjutant wrote: Because people don't have that information and thus from an outsiders perspective it looks like the established agent is shutting down the little man by using ''illegitimate'' means. You are on the premise that people know Avilo and have the same feelings about him like you do, but this just isn't the case. People who have little inside information have a rational reason to be upset about how he was treated. Also the lack of a definitive conclusion after the debate between you and Qxc gave people a chance to interpret the points made during said debate, rather then base their critique and thoughts on defined conclusions and findings. Making a judgement given incomplete information is one thing, sometimes it cannot be avoided in the public eye. But for everyone to continue justifying that flawed judgement given what they should all know now having read this thread, that is the utmost of stupidity. It doesn't help that many members of this community fall victim to the fallacy inherent in an over-induglence of their own priviliged perspective provided via this and other forums. They think that because they can read a smattering of opinion as poorly concieved as their own that some sort of consensus has been reached, when in reality the bulk of silent readers here on TL are simply shaking their heads. | ||
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Papulatus
United States669 Posts
On July 01 2012 02:35 WilDMousE wrote: Sorry to ask but can someone link me the "mia rose" episode that incontrol tends to talk about? Its the last episode in 2011 and something like 3+ hours long. Should stand out among the other episodes. | ||
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SMD
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