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On July 01 2012 02:39 SMD wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 02:36 terranuapart wrote:On July 01 2012 02:25 IdrA wrote:
how on earth is this still going on
avilo is a joke of a person, anyone who has watched him play, read anything hes written, or heard anything hes said knows that. he kind of tried to act presentable on the show, but he opened up trying to bitch at geoff and then as soon as i started talking he was talking over me and saying i agreed with him when i didnt.
i was very short with him because i know his past outside the show and know he's not worth dealing with. just because someone tones it down once they get a big stage to preach their bullshit from doesnt make them any less of a waste of time. jp brought him on for some cheap laughs, he shouldntve done that and hes apologized, both publicly and to me, and it wont happen again. but avilo isnt supposed to be taken seriously and the fact that this has generated pages of discussion is absurd. Because your one to talk about pasts lmao. he was preaching bullshit? he brought up alot of valid points and by how you responded to both him and qxc about them makes it look like u have no clue on the current metagame in tvz.. or maybe any matchup in that case because i cant remember the last game you've won. idk how you're supposed to be taken more seriously then avilo tbh. time for a change in mindset or youre losing and ignorant ways will continue , which people have been saying forever but i guess that hasnt clicked for you yet. He didnt really bring up any valid points that hadn't already been discussed with QXC, and QXC did it in a much more open way, and just didn't disregard everything idrA was saying. I still idra's point about terrans not finding the new balance yet is right, as in korea where they always flesh things out quicker, the terrans seem to be turning it around, or at least bringing it up to par.
Whether most of the points were being brought up or not he was doing it in somewhat of a respectful manner, and id probably disregard most of the stuff idra says too. About idra on zvt balance .. i think i ll take DRG's word on it 10000x over before i start to listen to idra.
On July 01 2012 02:43 Facultyadjutant wrote:
even I beat Avilo easily, you lack realistic perspective of the players skill and understanding of the game.
Avilo, even tough he proclaimed the same things as Qxc brought them forward as definitive issues rather than Qxc who brought them forward as issues and than looked for options (Which Idra gave, both from his perspective and the koreans) to discuss them.
One was preaching, the other one was discussing.
Okay , congrats on beating avilo? Skill is not always equal to understanding of the game. I can give you countless reps of me beating idra but if you want , but that seems to be getting away from the subject. This new change allows you to play more greedy , have way more creep spread and more map control along with it , and the worst part about it is that it allows zerg to rush to hive with a good economy and being safe. Then from that point they can obtain an army that the terran is not able to deal with especially at that early in the game.
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On July 01 2012 02:54 Bleak wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 02:45 kafkaesque wrote:On July 01 2012 02:41 Papulatus wrote:On July 01 2012 02:35 WilDMousE wrote:
Sorry to ask but can someone link me the "mia rose" episode that incontrol tends to talk about? Its the last episode in 2011 and something like 3+ hours long. Should stand out among the other episodes. I still remember his rib-cracking joke along those lines: "Yeah, he's the biggest asshole in SC2. After Mia Rose, obviously." I always spat my coffee onto my keyboard, that was so unexpected... I guess that was funny for you? The girl obviously did not want to speak about porn (because she stated that she retired from being a porn actress and wanted to start a new beginning with streaming game) but Geoff kept it going on and on and on...
Here we go again. I criticized Geoff for bullying Avilo. No way does he get shit for Mia Rose though. This girl was obviously, *obviously* trying to exploit e-sports. She didn't know anything about any games. She's not passionate about our scene, so please don't try and make her out to be a victim here.
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On July 01 2012 02:45 Duravi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 02:01 iNcontroL wrote:On July 01 2012 01:54 Ireniicus wrote:On July 01 2012 01:35 ToAn8 wrote:On July 01 2012 01:33 iNcontroL wrote:
the last 2 SOTG's sucked and we were overly mean/rude to people in both of those. We will do better ! ! ! ! !
BUT
if you keep talking about this I will beat you up, steal your lunch money and give you a swirlie whilst wearing a leather gracket and stone washed jeans. if only you get out of your chair In many peoples opinion the best way for the show to do better would be for you to step aside as it seems time and time again your inability to mature up reduces the show to a pantomine. This used to be the very best show in SC scene bar none and now its turning into 2 hour waste of peoples time. What exactly are you going to do better? Why should we trust you and stop talking about your poor behaviour in front of 10k people just so you can do it all again in 2-3 shows. TB last week, Avilo this, whose next? Everybody makes mistakes but you just keep on going, ridiculing people like its a sport and counting the times on that abacus. Also you are supposed to be Team Captain for EG and consequently because you are in a position of leadership should be held more accountable for your actions than that of Idra. Your first response was not really apologetic at all and it was only after further days worth of commentary (you would call it pitch forks) from viewers plus likes of Kennigit that you are now backtracking. Are you sincerely sorry or are you just playing lip service hoping this goes away until your bad side rears again? Lastly during the Orb issue you were complaining to people not to talk to sponsors because it would hurt eSports. Well , do you really think the likes of Coca Cola Management would watch last few episodes of SotG and think wow this would be a great market to invest some sponsorship $$ into? Think long and hard about this side of you, humble up a bit, act more like your far maturer better half (Anna) because you do have alot of potential. You casted great at Dreamhack...thats the side we want to see. No.. I didn't back track at all. Go read my post.. I said it was a bad episode and we "mia rose'd" it. As far as you thinking I need to "step aside" bitch please, I make this show  If you go back in time and watch the episode where I yell at Nony you realize I am human and step over boundaries from time to time! But I am still pretty awesome and I still deliver a good show. To think otherwise would be very short-sighted. What a humble attitude to have. JP is the one that actually makes the show, and for many episodes at the start and when it's popularity took off the show did just fine without you.
Apart from the fact that you missed the blatantly obvious lack of seriousness, the show actually really took off when it got a regular cast, which at the time I believe was JP, Inc, Day[9] and Nony. People begged to have iNcontroL back on the show after his first appearance.
On July 01 2012 02:36 terranuapart wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 02:25 IdrA wrote:
how on earth is this still going on
avilo is a joke of a person, anyone who has watched him play, read anything hes written, or heard anything hes said knows that. he kind of tried to act presentable on the show, but he opened up trying to bitch at geoff and then as soon as i started talking he was talking over me and saying i agreed with him when i didnt.
i was very short with him because i know his past outside the show and know he's not worth dealing with. just because someone tones it down once they get a big stage to preach their bullshit from doesnt make them any less of a waste of time. jp brought him on for some cheap laughs, he shouldntve done that and hes apologized, both publicly and to me, and it wont happen again. but avilo isnt supposed to be taken seriously and the fact that this has generated pages of discussion is absurd. Because your one to talk about pasts lmao. he was preaching bullshit? he brought up alot of valid points
No he didn't.
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On July 01 2012 03:03 SCST wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 02:54 Bleak wrote:On July 01 2012 02:45 kafkaesque wrote:On July 01 2012 02:41 Papulatus wrote:On July 01 2012 02:35 WilDMousE wrote:
Sorry to ask but can someone link me the "mia rose" episode that incontrol tends to talk about? Its the last episode in 2011 and something like 3+ hours long. Should stand out among the other episodes. I still remember his rib-cracking joke along those lines: "Yeah, he's the biggest asshole in SC2. After Mia Rose, obviously." I always spat my coffee onto my keyboard, that was so unexpected... I guess that was funny for you? The girl obviously did not want to speak about porn (because she stated that she retired from being a porn actress and wanted to start a new beginning with streaming game) but Geoff kept it going on and on and on... Here we go again. I criticized Geoff for bullying Avilo. No way does he get shit for Mia Rose though. This girl was obviously, *obviously* trying to exploit e-sports. She didn't know anything about any games. She's not passionate about our scene, so please don't try and make her out to be a victim here.
She didn't say anthing about that or tried to promote her stream beyond normal means. She just came on the show for a talk, at least that's what looked like. If your amazingly sensitive comprehension skills managed to deduce something more than that, then congratulations.
She doesn't have to be passionate about SC2 or esports to have the right to NOT be put through something like that. I watched that episode too and even if she perhaps had the idea of going into the show for increasing her viewer counts, then so what? Almost any guest who comes outside the scene to the the show will attract a lot of attention because we like Sc2 and we like when other people are interested in it. So that's normal. Secondly, even if she wanted to exploit the scene, that doesn't give right to Geoff to put her through something like that or for her to be put through something like that.
Still I was aware that Geoff was quite drunk so it's still understandable to some extent, but still as I said a couple posts ago, if you can't really form the right words, just stay silent.
With your logic we could do anything to her because she isn't interested in Sc2 scene. That's bullshit.
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On July 01 2012 03:02 terranuapart wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 02:39 SMD wrote:On July 01 2012 02:36 terranuapart wrote:On July 01 2012 02:25 IdrA wrote:
how on earth is this still going on
avilo is a joke of a person, anyone who has watched him play, read anything hes written, or heard anything hes said knows that. he kind of tried to act presentable on the show, but he opened up trying to bitch at geoff and then as soon as i started talking he was talking over me and saying i agreed with him when i didnt.
i was very short with him because i know his past outside the show and know he's not worth dealing with. just because someone tones it down once they get a big stage to preach their bullshit from doesnt make them any less of a waste of time. jp brought him on for some cheap laughs, he shouldntve done that and hes apologized, both publicly and to me, and it wont happen again. but avilo isnt supposed to be taken seriously and the fact that this has generated pages of discussion is absurd. Because your one to talk about pasts lmao. he was preaching bullshit? he brought up alot of valid points and by how you responded to both him and qxc about them makes it look like u have no clue on the current metagame in tvz.. or maybe any matchup in that case because i cant remember the last game you've won. idk how you're supposed to be taken more seriously then avilo tbh. time for a change in mindset or youre losing and ignorant ways will continue , which people have been saying forever but i guess that hasnt clicked for you yet. He didnt really bring up any valid points that hadn't already been discussed with QXC, and QXC did it in a much more open way, and just didn't disregard everything idrA was saying. I still idra's point about terrans not finding the new balance yet is right, as in korea where they always flesh things out quicker, the terrans seem to be turning it around, or at least bringing it up to par. Whether most of the points were being brought up or not he was doing it in somewhat of a respectful manner, and id probably disregard most of the stuff idra says too. About idra on zvt balance .. i think i ll take DRG's word on it 10000x over before i start to listen to idra. Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 02:43 Facultyadjutant wrote:
even I beat Avilo easily, you lack realistic perspective of the players skill and understanding of the game.
Avilo, even tough he proclaimed the same things as Qxc brought them forward as definitive issues rather than Qxc who brought them forward as issues and than looked for options (Which Idra gave, both from his perspective and the koreans) to discuss them.
One was preaching, the other one was discussing. Okay , congrats on beating avilo? Skill is not always equal to understanding of the game. I can give you countless reps of me beating idra but if you want , but that seems to be getting away from the subject. This new change allows you to play more greedy , have way more creep spread and more map control along with it , and the worst part about it is that it allows zerg to rush to hive with a good economy and being safe. Then from that point they can obtain an army that the terran is not able to deal with especially at that early in the game.
My response was perpetuated because your horrible choice of wording which makes it look like you made a direct comparison of Avilo and Idra
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Because your one to talk about pasts lmao. he was preaching bullshit? he brought up alot of valid points and by how you responded to both him and qxc about them makes it look like u have no clue on the current metagame in tvz.. or maybe any matchup in that case because i cant remember the last game you've won. idk how you're supposed to be taken more seriously then avilo tbh. time for a change in mindset or youre losing and ignorant ways will continue , which people have been saying forever but i guess that hasnt clicked for you yet.''
Yes the new playstyle which gets emphasized by the +range does bring forward perks, but it also have cons and Terran must use different options to deal with it which some of these options were brought forward by Idra (What was used in Korea) and this was put was then put on hold to observe future evidence.
Also
Whether most of the points were being brought up or not he was doing it in somewhat of a respectful manner, and id probably disregard most of the stuff idra says too. About idra on zvt balance .. i think i ll take DRG's word on it 10000x over before i start to listen to idra.
Is completely irrelevant because no definitive answers were given.
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Okay before anyone comments on the Avlio thing, inform yourself:
Post History
Stream
Youtube VOD's
And so we can put this to rest, literally the first image that shows up when you google him is the one on SoTG.link
As someone who watches his stream semi frequently (I love watching ragers stream, call it a guilty pleasure) , Idra's latest post is not far off. He used to be very antagonizing when he would play ladder and attack people simply for playing protoss. And his play style, while very entertaining to watch (for me anyway, I love me some atomic warfare) is bad at any sort of professional level. I'm not making this up, go far back enough into his videos on twitch and you'll see, especially before Legion (his team) picked him up. But since then he has been improving his manner quite a bit.
All this being said, what happened on SoTG was still bullshit, but by now I think everyone knows that so I'll just leave it at that.
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Is anyone gonna remember this shit in 3 months?
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On July 01 2012 03:10 Facultyadjutant wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 03:02 terranuapart wrote:On July 01 2012 02:39 SMD wrote:On July 01 2012 02:36 terranuapart wrote:On July 01 2012 02:25 IdrA wrote:
how on earth is this still going on
avilo is a joke of a person, anyone who has watched him play, read anything hes written, or heard anything hes said knows that. he kind of tried to act presentable on the show, but he opened up trying to bitch at geoff and then as soon as i started talking he was talking over me and saying i agreed with him when i didnt.
i was very short with him because i know his past outside the show and know he's not worth dealing with. just because someone tones it down once they get a big stage to preach their bullshit from doesnt make them any less of a waste of time. jp brought him on for some cheap laughs, he shouldntve done that and hes apologized, both publicly and to me, and it wont happen again. but avilo isnt supposed to be taken seriously and the fact that this has generated pages of discussion is absurd. Because your one to talk about pasts lmao. he was preaching bullshit? he brought up alot of valid points and by how you responded to both him and qxc about them makes it look like u have no clue on the current metagame in tvz.. or maybe any matchup in that case because i cant remember the last game you've won. idk how you're supposed to be taken more seriously then avilo tbh. time for a change in mindset or youre losing and ignorant ways will continue , which people have been saying forever but i guess that hasnt clicked for you yet. He didnt really bring up any valid points that hadn't already been discussed with QXC, and QXC did it in a much more open way, and just didn't disregard everything idrA was saying. I still idra's point about terrans not finding the new balance yet is right, as in korea where they always flesh things out quicker, the terrans seem to be turning it around, or at least bringing it up to par. Whether most of the points were being brought up or not he was doing it in somewhat of a respectful manner, and id probably disregard most of the stuff idra says too. About idra on zvt balance .. i think i ll take DRG's word on it 10000x over before i start to listen to idra. On July 01 2012 02:43 Facultyadjutant wrote:
even I beat Avilo easily, you lack realistic perspective of the players skill and understanding of the game.
Avilo, even tough he proclaimed the same things as Qxc brought them forward as definitive issues rather than Qxc who brought them forward as issues and than looked for options (Which Idra gave, both from his perspective and the koreans) to discuss them.
One was preaching, the other one was discussing. Okay , congrats on beating avilo? Skill is not always equal to understanding of the game. I can give you countless reps of me beating idra but if you want , but that seems to be getting away from the subject. This new change allows you to play more greedy , have way more creep spread and more map control along with it , and the worst part about it is that it allows zerg to rush to hive with a good economy and being safe. Then from that point they can obtain an army that the terran is not able to deal with especially at that early in the game. My response was perpetuated because your horrible choice of wording which makes it look like you made a direct comparison of Avilo and Idra Okay , sorry if my grammar /wording isnt perfect im hungover and have a pounding headache i ll do my best to try harder though! Show nested quote +''
Because your one to talk about pasts lmao. he was preaching bullshit? he brought up alot of valid points and by how you responded to both him and qxc about them makes it look like u have no clue on the current metagame in tvz.. or maybe any matchup in that case because i cant remember the last game you've won. idk how you're supposed to be taken more seriously then avilo tbh. time for a change in mindset or youre losing and ignorant ways will continue , which people have been saying forever but i guess that hasnt clicked for you yet.'' Yes the new playstyle which gets emphasized by the +range does bring forward perks, but it also have cons and Terran must use different options to deal with it which some of these options were brought forward by Idra (What was used in Korea) and this was put was then put on hold to observe future evidence. Im not seeing these cons but okay.. Show nested quote +Whether most of the points were being brought up or not he was doing it in somewhat of a respectful manner, and id probably disregard most of the stuff idra says too. About idra on zvt balance .. i think i ll take DRG's word on it 10000x over before i start to listen to idra. Is completely irrelevant because no definitive answers were given.
When i see DRG say he feels he ll win 100% of zvt's as long as he doesnt make a huge fuckup in his own play thats enough for me , when we're comparing him to idra on the state of zvt
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On July 01 2012 03:24 terranuapart wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 03:10 Facultyadjutant wrote:On July 01 2012 03:02 terranuapart wrote:On July 01 2012 02:39 SMD wrote:On July 01 2012 02:36 terranuapart wrote:On July 01 2012 02:25 IdrA wrote:
how on earth is this still going on
avilo is a joke of a person, anyone who has watched him play, read anything hes written, or heard anything hes said knows that. he kind of tried to act presentable on the show, but he opened up trying to bitch at geoff and then as soon as i started talking he was talking over me and saying i agreed with him when i didnt.
i was very short with him because i know his past outside the show and know he's not worth dealing with. just because someone tones it down once they get a big stage to preach their bullshit from doesnt make them any less of a waste of time. jp brought him on for some cheap laughs, he shouldntve done that and hes apologized, both publicly and to me, and it wont happen again. but avilo isnt supposed to be taken seriously and the fact that this has generated pages of discussion is absurd. Because your one to talk about pasts lmao. he was preaching bullshit? he brought up alot of valid points and by how you responded to both him and qxc about them makes it look like u have no clue on the current metagame in tvz.. or maybe any matchup in that case because i cant remember the last game you've won. idk how you're supposed to be taken more seriously then avilo tbh. time for a change in mindset or youre losing and ignorant ways will continue , which people have been saying forever but i guess that hasnt clicked for you yet. He didnt really bring up any valid points that hadn't already been discussed with QXC, and QXC did it in a much more open way, and just didn't disregard everything idrA was saying. I still idra's point about terrans not finding the new balance yet is right, as in korea where they always flesh things out quicker, the terrans seem to be turning it around, or at least bringing it up to par. Whether most of the points were being brought up or not he was doing it in somewhat of a respectful manner, and id probably disregard most of the stuff idra says too. About idra on zvt balance .. i think i ll take DRG's word on it 10000x over before i start to listen to idra. On July 01 2012 02:43 Facultyadjutant wrote:
even I beat Avilo easily, you lack realistic perspective of the players skill and understanding of the game.
Avilo, even tough he proclaimed the same things as Qxc brought them forward as definitive issues rather than Qxc who brought them forward as issues and than looked for options (Which Idra gave, both from his perspective and the koreans) to discuss them.
One was preaching, the other one was discussing. Okay , congrats on beating avilo? Skill is not always equal to understanding of the game. I can give you countless reps of me beating idra but if you want , but that seems to be getting away from the subject. This new change allows you to play more greedy , have way more creep spread and more map control along with it , and the worst part about it is that it allows zerg to rush to hive with a good economy and being safe. Then from that point they can obtain an army that the terran is not able to deal with especially at that early in the game. My response was perpetuated because your horrible choice of wording which makes it look like you made a direct comparison of Avilo and Idra Okay , sorry if my grammar /wording isnt perfect im hungover and have a pounding headache i ll do my best to try harder though! ''
Because your one to talk about pasts lmao. he was preaching bullshit? he brought up alot of valid points and by how you responded to both him and qxc about them makes it look like u have no clue on the current metagame in tvz.. or maybe any matchup in that case because i cant remember the last game you've won. idk how you're supposed to be taken more seriously then avilo tbh. time for a change in mindset or youre losing and ignorant ways will continue , which people have been saying forever but i guess that hasnt clicked for you yet.'' Yes the new playstyle which gets emphasized by the +range does bring forward perks, but it also have cons and Terran must use different options to deal with it which some of these options were brought forward by Idra (What was used in Korea) and this was put was then put on hold to observe future evidence. Im not seeing these cons but okay.. Whether most of the points were being brought up or not he was doing it in somewhat of a respectful manner, and id probably disregard most of the stuff idra says too. About idra on zvt balance .. i think i ll take DRG's word on it 10000x over before i start to listen to idra. Is completely irrelevant because no definitive answers were given. When i see DRG say he feels he ll win 100% of zvt's as long as he doesnt make a huge fuckup in his own play thats enough for me , when we're comparing him to idra on the state of zvt
MC: Zerg? Easy I never lose, bring them on - Proceeds to then lose PvZ's
Both are just statements in a quick interview, there is no definitive conclusion to derive from them.
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On July 01 2012 03:32 Facultyadjutant wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 03:24 terranuapart wrote:On July 01 2012 03:10 Facultyadjutant wrote:On July 01 2012 03:02 terranuapart wrote:On July 01 2012 02:39 SMD wrote:On July 01 2012 02:36 terranuapart wrote:On July 01 2012 02:25 IdrA wrote:
how on earth is this still going on
avilo is a joke of a person, anyone who has watched him play, read anything hes written, or heard anything hes said knows that. he kind of tried to act presentable on the show, but he opened up trying to bitch at geoff and then as soon as i started talking he was talking over me and saying i agreed with him when i didnt.
i was very short with him because i know his past outside the show and know he's not worth dealing with. just because someone tones it down once they get a big stage to preach their bullshit from doesnt make them any less of a waste of time. jp brought him on for some cheap laughs, he shouldntve done that and hes apologized, both publicly and to me, and it wont happen again. but avilo isnt supposed to be taken seriously and the fact that this has generated pages of discussion is absurd. Because your one to talk about pasts lmao. he was preaching bullshit? he brought up alot of valid points and by how you responded to both him and qxc about them makes it look like u have no clue on the current metagame in tvz.. or maybe any matchup in that case because i cant remember the last game you've won. idk how you're supposed to be taken more seriously then avilo tbh. time for a change in mindset or youre losing and ignorant ways will continue , which people have been saying forever but i guess that hasnt clicked for you yet. He didnt really bring up any valid points that hadn't already been discussed with QXC, and QXC did it in a much more open way, and just didn't disregard everything idrA was saying. I still idra's point about terrans not finding the new balance yet is right, as in korea where they always flesh things out quicker, the terrans seem to be turning it around, or at least bringing it up to par. Whether most of the points were being brought up or not he was doing it in somewhat of a respectful manner, and id probably disregard most of the stuff idra says too. About idra on zvt balance .. i think i ll take DRG's word on it 10000x over before i start to listen to idra. On July 01 2012 02:43 Facultyadjutant wrote:
even I beat Avilo easily, you lack realistic perspective of the players skill and understanding of the game.
Avilo, even tough he proclaimed the same things as Qxc brought them forward as definitive issues rather than Qxc who brought them forward as issues and than looked for options (Which Idra gave, both from his perspective and the koreans) to discuss them.
One was preaching, the other one was discussing. Okay , congrats on beating avilo? Skill is not always equal to understanding of the game. I can give you countless reps of me beating idra but if you want , but that seems to be getting away from the subject. This new change allows you to play more greedy , have way more creep spread and more map control along with it , and the worst part about it is that it allows zerg to rush to hive with a good economy and being safe. Then from that point they can obtain an army that the terran is not able to deal with especially at that early in the game. My response was perpetuated because your horrible choice of wording which makes it look like you made a direct comparison of Avilo and Idra Okay , sorry if my grammar /wording isnt perfect im hungover and have a pounding headache i ll do my best to try harder though! ''
Because your one to talk about pasts lmao. he was preaching bullshit? he brought up alot of valid points and by how you responded to both him and qxc about them makes it look like u have no clue on the current metagame in tvz.. or maybe any matchup in that case because i cant remember the last game you've won. idk how you're supposed to be taken more seriously then avilo tbh. time for a change in mindset or youre losing and ignorant ways will continue , which people have been saying forever but i guess that hasnt clicked for you yet.'' Yes the new playstyle which gets emphasized by the +range does bring forward perks, but it also have cons and Terran must use different options to deal with it which some of these options were brought forward by Idra (What was used in Korea) and this was put was then put on hold to observe future evidence. Im not seeing these cons but okay.. Whether most of the points were being brought up or not he was doing it in somewhat of a respectful manner, and id probably disregard most of the stuff idra says too. About idra on zvt balance .. i think i ll take DRG's word on it 10000x over before i start to listen to idra. Is completely irrelevant because no definitive answers were given. When i see DRG say he feels he ll win 100% of zvt's as long as he doesnt make a huge fuckup in his own play thats enough for me , when we're comparing him to idra on the state of zvt MC: Zerg? Easy I never lose, bring them on - Proceeds to then lose PvZ's Both are just statements in a quick interview, there is no definitive conclusion to derive from them.
DRG has said that multiple times, in serious interviews and outside of them, could you please slow down a bit? In your rush to express your undying love for IdrA over and over again you aren't putting much thought into your posts, even quoting people that disagree with your point of view and using said quotes to reinforce your views as if they had agreed with you(avilo much), and it seemed as if you misinterpreted it because you didn't read past the first line.
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On July 01 2012 03:32 Facultyadjutant wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 03:24 terranuapart wrote:On July 01 2012 03:10 Facultyadjutant wrote:On July 01 2012 03:02 terranuapart wrote:On July 01 2012 02:39 SMD wrote:On July 01 2012 02:36 terranuapart wrote:On July 01 2012 02:25 IdrA wrote:
how on earth is this still going on
avilo is a joke of a person, anyone who has watched him play, read anything hes written, or heard anything hes said knows that. he kind of tried to act presentable on the show, but he opened up trying to bitch at geoff and then as soon as i started talking he was talking over me and saying i agreed with him when i didnt.
i was very short with him because i know his past outside the show and know he's not worth dealing with. just because someone tones it down once they get a big stage to preach their bullshit from doesnt make them any less of a waste of time. jp brought him on for some cheap laughs, he shouldntve done that and hes apologized, both publicly and to me, and it wont happen again. but avilo isnt supposed to be taken seriously and the fact that this has generated pages of discussion is absurd. Because your one to talk about pasts lmao. he was preaching bullshit? he brought up alot of valid points and by how you responded to both him and qxc about them makes it look like u have no clue on the current metagame in tvz.. or maybe any matchup in that case because i cant remember the last game you've won. idk how you're supposed to be taken more seriously then avilo tbh. time for a change in mindset or youre losing and ignorant ways will continue , which people have been saying forever but i guess that hasnt clicked for you yet. He didnt really bring up any valid points that hadn't already been discussed with QXC, and QXC did it in a much more open way, and just didn't disregard everything idrA was saying. I still idra's point about terrans not finding the new balance yet is right, as in korea where they always flesh things out quicker, the terrans seem to be turning it around, or at least bringing it up to par. Whether most of the points were being brought up or not he was doing it in somewhat of a respectful manner, and id probably disregard most of the stuff idra says too. About idra on zvt balance .. i think i ll take DRG's word on it 10000x over before i start to listen to idra. On July 01 2012 02:43 Facultyadjutant wrote:
even I beat Avilo easily, you lack realistic perspective of the players skill and understanding of the game.
Avilo, even tough he proclaimed the same things as Qxc brought them forward as definitive issues rather than Qxc who brought them forward as issues and than looked for options (Which Idra gave, both from his perspective and the koreans) to discuss them.
One was preaching, the other one was discussing. Okay , congrats on beating avilo? Skill is not always equal to understanding of the game. I can give you countless reps of me beating idra but if you want , but that seems to be getting away from the subject. This new change allows you to play more greedy , have way more creep spread and more map control along with it , and the worst part about it is that it allows zerg to rush to hive with a good economy and being safe. Then from that point they can obtain an army that the terran is not able to deal with especially at that early in the game. My response was perpetuated because your horrible choice of wording which makes it look like you made a direct comparison of Avilo and Idra Okay , sorry if my grammar /wording isnt perfect im hungover and have a pounding headache i ll do my best to try harder though! ''
Because your one to talk about pasts lmao. he was preaching bullshit? he brought up alot of valid points and by how you responded to both him and qxc about them makes it look like u have no clue on the current metagame in tvz.. or maybe any matchup in that case because i cant remember the last game you've won. idk how you're supposed to be taken more seriously then avilo tbh. time for a change in mindset or youre losing and ignorant ways will continue , which people have been saying forever but i guess that hasnt clicked for you yet.'' Yes the new playstyle which gets emphasized by the +range does bring forward perks, but it also have cons and Terran must use different options to deal with it which some of these options were brought forward by Idra (What was used in Korea) and this was put was then put on hold to observe future evidence. Im not seeing these cons but okay.. Whether most of the points were being brought up or not he was doing it in somewhat of a respectful manner, and id probably disregard most of the stuff idra says too. About idra on zvt balance .. i think i ll take DRG's word on it 10000x over before i start to listen to idra. Is completely irrelevant because no definitive answers were given. When i see DRG say he feels he ll win 100% of zvt's as long as he doesnt make a huge fuckup in his own play thats enough for me , when we're comparing him to idra on the state of zvt MC: Zerg? Easy I never lose, bring them on - Proceeds to then lose PvZ's Both are just statements in a quick interview, there is no definitive conclusion to derive from them.
He still has a 62.5% win rate pvz in the past 4 months and 80% in kr (although he's 4-1  ) so he's obviously not losing to much  .
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On July 01 2012 03:12 captainwaffles wrote:Okay before anyone comments on the Avlio thing, inform yourself: Post HistoryStream Youtube VOD'sAnd so we can put this to rest, literally the first image that shows up when you google him is the one on SoTG. linkAs someone who watches his stream semi frequently (I love watching ragers stream, call it a guilty pleasure) , Idra's latest post is not far off. He used to be very antagonizing when he would play ladder and attack people simply for playing protoss. And his play style, while very entertaining to watch (for me anyway, I love me some atomic warfare) is bad at any sort of professional level. I'm not making this up, go far back enough into his videos on twitch and you'll see, especially before Legion (his team) picked him up. But since then he has been improving his manner quite a bit. All this being said, what happened on SoTG was still bullshit, but by now I think everyone knows that so I'll just leave it at that.
I think you can replace Avilo with Idra in your post and it'll stay perfectly correct (post history, stream rage...) =)
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On July 01 2012 03:19 JazzJackrabbit wrote:
Is anyone gonna remember this shit in 3 months?
Nope, it'll end up just like the LastShadow drama, or Spanishiwa's flash in the pan, or any number of things that no one cares about.
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On July 01 2012 03:39 IshinShishi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 03:32 Facultyadjutant wrote:On July 01 2012 03:24 terranuapart wrote:On July 01 2012 03:10 Facultyadjutant wrote:On July 01 2012 03:02 terranuapart wrote:On July 01 2012 02:39 SMD wrote:On July 01 2012 02:36 terranuapart wrote:On July 01 2012 02:25 IdrA wrote:
how on earth is this still going on
avilo is a joke of a person, anyone who has watched him play, read anything hes written, or heard anything hes said knows that. he kind of tried to act presentable on the show, but he opened up trying to bitch at geoff and then as soon as i started talking he was talking over me and saying i agreed with him when i didnt.
i was very short with him because i know his past outside the show and know he's not worth dealing with. just because someone tones it down once they get a big stage to preach their bullshit from doesnt make them any less of a waste of time. jp brought him on for some cheap laughs, he shouldntve done that and hes apologized, both publicly and to me, and it wont happen again. but avilo isnt supposed to be taken seriously and the fact that this has generated pages of discussion is absurd. Because your one to talk about pasts lmao. he was preaching bullshit? he brought up alot of valid points and by how you responded to both him and qxc about them makes it look like u have no clue on the current metagame in tvz.. or maybe any matchup in that case because i cant remember the last game you've won. idk how you're supposed to be taken more seriously then avilo tbh. time for a change in mindset or youre losing and ignorant ways will continue , which people have been saying forever but i guess that hasnt clicked for you yet. He didnt really bring up any valid points that hadn't already been discussed with QXC, and QXC did it in a much more open way, and just didn't disregard everything idrA was saying. I still idra's point about terrans not finding the new balance yet is right, as in korea where they always flesh things out quicker, the terrans seem to be turning it around, or at least bringing it up to par. Whether most of the points were being brought up or not he was doing it in somewhat of a respectful manner, and id probably disregard most of the stuff idra says too. About idra on zvt balance .. i think i ll take DRG's word on it 10000x over before i start to listen to idra. On July 01 2012 02:43 Facultyadjutant wrote:
even I beat Avilo easily, you lack realistic perspective of the players skill and understanding of the game.
Avilo, even tough he proclaimed the same things as Qxc brought them forward as definitive issues rather than Qxc who brought them forward as issues and than looked for options (Which Idra gave, both from his perspective and the koreans) to discuss them.
One was preaching, the other one was discussing. Okay , congrats on beating avilo? Skill is not always equal to understanding of the game. I can give you countless reps of me beating idra but if you want , but that seems to be getting away from the subject. This new change allows you to play more greedy , have way more creep spread and more map control along with it , and the worst part about it is that it allows zerg to rush to hive with a good economy and being safe. Then from that point they can obtain an army that the terran is not able to deal with especially at that early in the game. My response was perpetuated because your horrible choice of wording which makes it look like you made a direct comparison of Avilo and Idra Okay , sorry if my grammar /wording isnt perfect im hungover and have a pounding headache i ll do my best to try harder though! ''
Because your one to talk about pasts lmao. he was preaching bullshit? he brought up alot of valid points and by how you responded to both him and qxc about them makes it look like u have no clue on the current metagame in tvz.. or maybe any matchup in that case because i cant remember the last game you've won. idk how you're supposed to be taken more seriously then avilo tbh. time for a change in mindset or youre losing and ignorant ways will continue , which people have been saying forever but i guess that hasnt clicked for you yet.'' Yes the new playstyle which gets emphasized by the +range does bring forward perks, but it also have cons and Terran must use different options to deal with it which some of these options were brought forward by Idra (What was used in Korea) and this was put was then put on hold to observe future evidence. Im not seeing these cons but okay.. Whether most of the points were being brought up or not he was doing it in somewhat of a respectful manner, and id probably disregard most of the stuff idra says too. About idra on zvt balance .. i think i ll take DRG's word on it 10000x over before i start to listen to idra. Is completely irrelevant because no definitive answers were given. When i see DRG say he feels he ll win 100% of zvt's as long as he doesnt make a huge fuckup in his own play thats enough for me , when we're comparing him to idra on the state of zvt MC: Zerg? Easy I never lose, bring them on - Proceeds to then lose PvZ's Both are just statements in a quick interview, there is no definitive conclusion to derive from them. DRG has said that multiple times, in serious interviews and outside of them, could you please slow down a bit? In your rush to express your undying love for IdrA over and over again you aren't putting much thought into your posts, even quoting people that disagree with your point of view and using said quotes to reinforce your views as if they had agreed with you(avilo much), and it seemed as if you misinterpreted it because you didn't read past the first line.
I have gone further than many to establish legitimacy to my views and bring thought to them. Especially the part about Idra is insulting as I even argued directly against him in this thread. Regarding the quotes to reinforce my views you have to give me them as I have tired to be careful and just quote what contemplates the discussion. Some I have agreed with, but agreeing with someone isn't foreign for anyone.
MC has also said multiple times that zerg is easily. DRG said that every terran was the same after Valencia and then subsequently lost to terrans, ultimately vs mma in the super tournament.
There is nothing definitive to take from it.
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On July 01 2012 02:54 Bleak wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 02:45 kafkaesque wrote:On July 01 2012 02:41 Papulatus wrote:On July 01 2012 02:35 WilDMousE wrote:
Sorry to ask but can someone link me the "mia rose" episode that incontrol tends to talk about? Its the last episode in 2011 and something like 3+ hours long. Should stand out among the other episodes. I still remember his rib-cracking joke along those lines: "Yeah, he's the biggest asshole in SC2. After Mia Rose, obviously." I always spat my coffee onto my keyboard, that was so unexpected... I guess that was funny for you? The girl obviously did not want to speak about porn (because she stated that she retired from being a porn actress and wanted to start a new beginning with streaming game) but Geoff kept it going on and on and on...
It was a good joke in bad taste.
Yeah, I laughed.
If you get on a show with Incontrol and IdrA, whose ungoing existance in the world of E-Sports is based upon providing polarizing content for the community, you expect to be made fun of. Where do you think IdrA and Geoff would be, if they were judged only by their ability? There certainly aren't put food on their tables on tournament winnings.
However you call it, and if you like it or not, it's their job to be condescending and insulting to people and say stuff people talk about and if you can't handle that, you shouldn't be on their show.
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On July 01 2012 02:45 MorroW wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 02:42 SMD wrote:
Morrows Thoughts on TvZ would be interesting, as he plays both sides of it..... sorry but the eg guys would just bully me like they do at lan events
Evil troll?? xD
But seriously, you hold all the awnsers, the only true prophet in these dark TvZ days.
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On July 01 2012 03:45 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 03:12 captainwaffles wrote:Okay before anyone comments on the Avlio thing, inform yourself: Post HistoryStream Youtube VOD'sAnd so we can put this to rest, literally the first image that shows up when you google him is the one on SoTG. linkAs someone who watches his stream semi frequently (I love watching ragers stream, call it a guilty pleasure) , Idra's latest post is not far off. He used to be very antagonizing when he would play ladder and attack people simply for playing protoss. And his play style, while very entertaining to watch (for me anyway, I love me some atomic warfare) is bad at any sort of professional level. I'm not making this up, go far back enough into his videos on twitch and you'll see, especially before Legion (his team) picked him up. But since then he has been improving his manner quite a bit. All this being said, what happened on SoTG was still bullshit, but by now I think everyone knows that so I'll just leave it at that. I think you can replace Avilo with Idra in your post and it'll stay perfectly correct (post history, stream rage...) =)
Haha, you may be right, I like watching Idra's stream as well lol.
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I still find it pretty hilarious that Idra is better than MKP
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On July 01 2012 03:52 kafkaesque wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 02:54 Bleak wrote:On July 01 2012 02:45 kafkaesque wrote:On July 01 2012 02:41 Papulatus wrote:On July 01 2012 02:35 WilDMousE wrote:
Sorry to ask but can someone link me the "mia rose" episode that incontrol tends to talk about? Its the last episode in 2011 and something like 3+ hours long. Should stand out among the other episodes. I still remember his rib-cracking joke along those lines: "Yeah, he's the biggest asshole in SC2. After Mia Rose, obviously." I always spat my coffee onto my keyboard, that was so unexpected... I guess that was funny for you? The girl obviously did not want to speak about porn (because she stated that she retired from being a porn actress and wanted to start a new beginning with streaming game) but Geoff kept it going on and on and on... It was a good joke in bad taste. Yeah, I laughed. If you get on a show with Incontrol and IdrA, whose ungoing existance in the world of E-Sports is based upon providing polarizing content for the community, you expect to be made fun of. Where do you think IdrA and Geoff would be, if they were judged only by their ability? There certainly aren't put food on their tables on tournament winnings. However you call it, and if you like it or not, it's their job to be condescending and insulting to people and say stuff people talk about and if you can't handle that, you shouldn't be on their show.
It's true..I made her the butt of too many jokes. I feel like an ass but with the potential loss of RIM jobs we have bigger things (WINK WINK) to worry about.
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On July 01 2012 03:58 Mellowman wrote:
I still find it pretty hilarious that Idra is better than MKP
That underlines my point perfectly.
There is no way any one could be so delusional to call MKP a "terrible player who doesn't know shit about Starcraft" and be serious about it. IdrA has to maintain recognition to support himself and since tournament results have ceased to be an option for him, he at least has to keep up his image.
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