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On July 01 2012 03:52 kafkaesque wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 02:54 Bleak wrote:On July 01 2012 02:45 kafkaesque wrote:On July 01 2012 02:41 Papulatus wrote:On July 01 2012 02:35 WilDMousE wrote:
Sorry to ask but can someone link me the "mia rose" episode that incontrol tends to talk about? Its the last episode in 2011 and something like 3+ hours long. Should stand out among the other episodes. I still remember his rib-cracking joke along those lines: "Yeah, he's the biggest asshole in SC2. After Mia Rose, obviously." I always spat my coffee onto my keyboard, that was so unexpected... I guess that was funny for you? The girl obviously did not want to speak about porn (because she stated that she retired from being a porn actress and wanted to start a new beginning with streaming game) but Geoff kept it going on and on and on... It was a good joke in bad taste. Yeah, I laughed. If you get on a show with Incontrol and IdrA, whose ungoing existance in the world of E-Sports is based upon providing polarizing content for the community, you expect to be made fun of. Where do you think IdrA and Geoff would be, if they were judged only by their ability? There certainly aren't put food on their tables on tournament winnings. However you call it, and if you like it or not, it's their job to be condescending and insulting to people and say stuff people talk about and if you can't handle that, you shouldn't be on their show.
If this is really true (and I'm not sure it actually is - as much as I sometimes find IdrA hard to deal with I think he still has talent) then it's absolutely pathetic the NA scene has gotten to this point. I really wish we could start valuing players on actual skill rather than whether or not they're funny, or bm, or divisive.
This valuing of drama over actual results though isn't the fault of the players though, it seems more the fault of the teams and the audience. So many people eat this shit up. Teams see this and build their images around drama and stream views and merchandizing. More people come to see the drama. More promos/streaming sessions/shows/etc. And in this cycle players who spend all their time practicing or who are good but don't have great on-camera personalities get left by the wayside.
If we, as viewers, continue to value drama as our entertainment over really exciting games and victories as our entertainment then things aren't going to change for the better any times soon in terms of content and NA players actually producing results.
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On July 01 2012 04:06 iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 03:52 kafkaesque wrote:On July 01 2012 02:54 Bleak wrote:On July 01 2012 02:45 kafkaesque wrote:On July 01 2012 02:41 Papulatus wrote:On July 01 2012 02:35 WilDMousE wrote:
Sorry to ask but can someone link me the "mia rose" episode that incontrol tends to talk about? Its the last episode in 2011 and something like 3+ hours long. Should stand out among the other episodes. I still remember his rib-cracking joke along those lines: "Yeah, he's the biggest asshole in SC2. After Mia Rose, obviously." I always spat my coffee onto my keyboard, that was so unexpected... I guess that was funny for you? The girl obviously did not want to speak about porn (because she stated that she retired from being a porn actress and wanted to start a new beginning with streaming game) but Geoff kept it going on and on and on... It was a good joke in bad taste. Yeah, I laughed. If you get on a show with Incontrol and IdrA, whose ungoing existance in the world of E-Sports is based upon providing polarizing content for the community, you expect to be made fun of. Where do you think IdrA and Geoff would be, if they were judged only by their ability? There certainly aren't put food on their tables on tournament winnings. However you call it, and if you like it or not, it's their job to be condescending and insulting to people and say stuff people talk about and if you can't handle that, you shouldn't be on their show. It's true..I made her the butt of too many jokes. I feel like an ass but with the potential loss of RIM jobs we have bigger things (WINK WINK) to worry about.
Hahahahahaha Picturing Geoff wink while saying that just made my day
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On July 01 2012 04:06 iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 03:52 kafkaesque wrote:On July 01 2012 02:54 Bleak wrote:On July 01 2012 02:45 kafkaesque wrote:On July 01 2012 02:41 Papulatus wrote:On July 01 2012 02:35 WilDMousE wrote:
Sorry to ask but can someone link me the "mia rose" episode that incontrol tends to talk about? Its the last episode in 2011 and something like 3+ hours long. Should stand out among the other episodes. I still remember his rib-cracking joke along those lines: "Yeah, he's the biggest asshole in SC2. After Mia Rose, obviously." I always spat my coffee onto my keyboard, that was so unexpected... I guess that was funny for you? The girl obviously did not want to speak about porn (because she stated that she retired from being a porn actress and wanted to start a new beginning with streaming game) but Geoff kept it going on and on and on... It was a good joke in bad taste. Yeah, I laughed. If you get on a show with Incontrol and IdrA, whose ungoing existance in the world of E-Sports is based upon providing polarizing content for the community, you expect to be made fun of. Where do you think IdrA and Geoff would be, if they were judged only by their ability? There certainly aren't put food on their tables on tournament winnings. However you call it, and if you like it or not, it's their job to be condescending and insulting to people and say stuff people talk about and if you can't handle that, you shouldn't be on their show. It's true..I made her the butt of too many jokes. I feel like an ass but with the potential loss of RIM jobs we have bigger things (WINK WINK) to worry about.
oh god lmao
gj geoff
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On July 01 2012 03:24 terranuapart wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 03:10 Facultyadjutant wrote:On July 01 2012 03:02 terranuapart wrote:On July 01 2012 02:39 SMD wrote:On July 01 2012 02:36 terranuapart wrote:On July 01 2012 02:25 IdrA wrote:
how on earth is this still going on
avilo is a joke of a person, anyone who has watched him play, read anything hes written, or heard anything hes said knows that. he kind of tried to act presentable on the show, but he opened up trying to bitch at geoff and then as soon as i started talking he was talking over me and saying i agreed with him when i didnt.
i was very short with him because i know his past outside the show and know he's not worth dealing with. just because someone tones it down once they get a big stage to preach their bullshit from doesnt make them any less of a waste of time. jp brought him on for some cheap laughs, he shouldntve done that and hes apologized, both publicly and to me, and it wont happen again. but avilo isnt supposed to be taken seriously and the fact that this has generated pages of discussion is absurd. Because your one to talk about pasts lmao. he was preaching bullshit? he brought up alot of valid points and by how you responded to both him and qxc about them makes it look like u have no clue on the current metagame in tvz.. or maybe any matchup in that case because i cant remember the last game you've won. idk how you're supposed to be taken more seriously then avilo tbh. time for a change in mindset or youre losing and ignorant ways will continue , which people have been saying forever but i guess that hasnt clicked for you yet. He didnt really bring up any valid points that hadn't already been discussed with QXC, and QXC did it in a much more open way, and just didn't disregard everything idrA was saying. I still idra's point about terrans not finding the new balance yet is right, as in korea where they always flesh things out quicker, the terrans seem to be turning it around, or at least bringing it up to par. Whether most of the points were being brought up or not he was doing it in somewhat of a respectful manner, and id probably disregard most of the stuff idra says too. About idra on zvt balance .. i think i ll take DRG's word on it 10000x over before i start to listen to idra. On July 01 2012 02:43 Facultyadjutant wrote:
even I beat Avilo easily, you lack realistic perspective of the players skill and understanding of the game.
Avilo, even tough he proclaimed the same things as Qxc brought them forward as definitive issues rather than Qxc who brought them forward as issues and than looked for options (Which Idra gave, both from his perspective and the koreans) to discuss them.
One was preaching, the other one was discussing. Okay , congrats on beating avilo? Skill is not always equal to understanding of the game. I can give you countless reps of me beating idra but if you want , but that seems to be getting away from the subject. This new change allows you to play more greedy , have way more creep spread and more map control along with it , and the worst part about it is that it allows zerg to rush to hive with a good economy and being safe. Then from that point they can obtain an army that the terran is not able to deal with especially at that early in the game. My response was perpetuated because your horrible choice of wording which makes it look like you made a direct comparison of Avilo and Idra Okay , sorry if my grammar /wording isnt perfect im hungover and have a pounding headache i ll do my best to try harder though! ''
Because your one to talk about pasts lmao. he was preaching bullshit? he brought up alot of valid points and by how you responded to both him and qxc about them makes it look like u have no clue on the current metagame in tvz.. or maybe any matchup in that case because i cant remember the last game you've won. idk how you're supposed to be taken more seriously then avilo tbh. time for a change in mindset or youre losing and ignorant ways will continue , which people have been saying forever but i guess that hasnt clicked for you yet.'' Yes the new playstyle which gets emphasized by the +range does bring forward perks, but it also have cons and Terran must use different options to deal with it which some of these options were brought forward by Idra (What was used in Korea) and this was put was then put on hold to observe future evidence. Im not seeing these cons but okay.. Whether most of the points were being brought up or not he was doing it in somewhat of a respectful manner, and id probably disregard most of the stuff idra says too. About idra on zvt balance .. i think i ll take DRG's word on it 10000x over before i start to listen to idra. Is completely irrelevant because no definitive answers were given. When i see DRG say he feels he ll win 100% of zvt's as long as he doesnt make a huge fuckup in his own play thats enough for me , when we're comparing him to idra on the state of zvt
Yet Korean Terran's are figureing it out at a quick rate so the patch is getting neutralized to the point where it's balancing out. You think that he said that cause he actually believed it or was just trying to get his fan base going? Guys say this stuff all the time maybe not the same quote or anything but they say stuff that will rile up their fan base no matter how over exaggerated it is. So no you're quite wrong especially since Koreans are figuring it out and making it less and less of a big deal. It'll take time as always for that to happen in the foreigner scene but this patch is not near as game destroying as Terrens were whining about a month or so ago.
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As a long time watcher, I really have to express my concerns regarding the show. I don't feel that any show should rely on cheap shots and personal assaults on people without that going unpunished. And I say that disregarding however it is you are talking about. It stays on the net, and if you have a lot of fans that can start a movement within the community that may feel as fun for one party, but most likely will result in bullying for some of the individuals that goes mentioned.
The tone of the shows sometimes just derails and it ends up with loud shouting, constant interruptions and all the awkwardness you can imagine. During those moments I skip forward and look for more moments when the show is actually professional and worth watching again, even if it's on a low level. I like balance discussions, I don't think they need to become very emotional and such, but it's understandable if it happens. I'm not really nit-picky about it since the show goes on for a long while and that makes anyone tired. But the amount of complete shows I watch has been dwindling lately due to the general tone of the show and the way it usually derails.
It is not professional, it is almost unbearable.
When Mia Rose was on the show she got a lot of smack and comments directed to her in a fashion that's never OK in any social groups I ever hang out with. Disregarding anyones past or occupation to rid yourself of prejudice is quite important for any adult individual, unless you support bullying other people.
-"Urrr hurr well her previous occupation was.. you know that right!? urr hurr"
I disregard that. If you can't respect someone in a discussion due to your prejudice, I would rid myself of you on that point alone.
I dont feel that I want to watch this show anymore.
And that sucks because Artosis is a fucking hero.
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On July 01 2012 03:52 kafkaesque wrote:
It was a good joke in bad taste.
Yeah, I laughed.
If you get on a show with Incontrol and IdrA, whose ungoing existance in the world of E-Sports is based upon providing polarizing content for the community, you expect to be made fun of. Where do you think IdrA and Geoff would be, if they were judged only by their ability? There certainly aren't put food on their tables on tournament winnings.
However you call it, and if you like it or not, it's their job to be condescending and insulting to people and say stuff people talk about and if you can't handle that, you shouldn't be on their show.
Actually, it's not their 'job'. I'm pretty sure EG Alex doesn't have smack-talk as a provision in their contract.
They are condescending and insulting because it's fun for them, and there's a segment of the community that enjoys it. But there are plenty of other thing they can and already do that entertains fans too -- streaming coaching or practices, commentating and analyzing games, talking about the meta game and balance.
Anyway, there's a difference between cracking a joke about Mia Rose's asshole on the internet and inviting her to be a guest on the show, and ambushing her with obnoxious or rude questions. The former is relatively fun and harmless, the latter is just somebody being shitty to some one else. Which is about as fun to watch as a car crash.
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On July 01 2012 04:07 kafkaesque wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 03:58 Mellowman wrote:
I still find it pretty hilarious that Idra is better than MKP That underlines my point perfectly. There is no way any one could be so delusional to call MKP a "terrible player who doesn't know shit about Starcraft" and be serious about it. IdrA has to maintain recognition to support himself and since tournament results have ceased to be an option for him, he at least has to keep up his image.
idra never said hes better than mkp ( i dont beleive i ehard him say that) he just doesn't think he's very good. Tyler thought the same thing of MC at first because of the way mc played. They aren't, or at least in tylers case, saying their better than, jsut they dont like the way they play, or dont think they are good, or as good as everyone thinks.
idra calling MKP bad, could be see as silly, but its same as forum poster x calling incontrol bad.
edit: just using an example, I <3 me some incontrol, he just gets way too much hate 
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On July 01 2012 03:02 Facultyadjutant wrote:
No, they were introduced by mvp in an mlg tournament and their role further developed by Slayer Terrans, most notably against Idra, their role isn't archaic but was a new concept. They have been around for a long time, but their purpose hasn't been always the same.
what are you even talking about? You don't remember TLO's hellion opening when he played in the GSL? This was before the roach buff even.. and way, way before MVP "introduced" anything at MLG. And people were going reactored hellion builds in the beta, along with reactored viking builds etc. Hellion openings have always been in the game, MVP or Slayers might have perfected them, but they did not invent hellion openings.
A spine hurts more than a queen (Explained by Morrow) and it is, whether you wish it or not: Direct damage in two drones and 225 minerals that is close to a new hatch to put it in perspective.
I completely disagree, and I played both zerg and terran when I was still playing, by the way. 1 spine is a completely reasonable safety investment. It's not "damage" any more than a bunker is "damage." And yes, that's a completely fair comparison, because spines are mobile and can be used all game long. It's an investment.
You lack experience in both of these and have no evidence.
How the heck would you know that? I was making bunkers between the nat and 3rd on Antiga and repairing hellions long before the queen buff. If the gain from that strat was dubious (at best) back then, it's certainly not any better now. If it was the correct way to deal with creep spread, the Koreans would be doing it. It's not like building bunkers in the match up is a revolutionary idea.
I have a problem with the last part because you are putting it forward like Qxc was there to win over idra in something, but all it was was to oversee what options existed and their viability, the debate was then post poned so the claims from both sides could be established by future observation.
it was an old fashioned debate where they were given sides to argue. Of course the intent of the exorcise was for him to attempt to win his side of the argument. That's how those debates work
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On July 01 2012 04:10 Swords wrote:
If we, as viewers, continue to value drama as our entertainment over really exciting games and victories as our entertainment then things aren't going to change for the better any times soon in terms of content and NA players actually producing results.
I don't think anyone truly values drama over good gameplay; the sad fact is North American players generally don't play at a level comparable to say top European or Korean players. If there were some really exciting games (like from TLO, who is still capable of being amazing once in a while) then people would applaud that. But as there isn't all that much, the only thing left is drama, so why not  . As soon as they start showing games at the same level as their counterparts then game play will probably become the new focus
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On July 01 2012 05:08 radscorpion9 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 04:10 Swords wrote:
If we, as viewers, continue to value drama as our entertainment over really exciting games and victories as our entertainment then things aren't going to change for the better any times soon in terms of content and NA players actually producing results.
I don't think anyone truly values drama over good gameplay; the sad fact is North American players generally don't play at a level comparable to say top European or Korean players. If there were some really exciting games (like from TLO, who is still capable of being amazing once in a while) then people would applaud that. But as there isn't all that much, the only thing left is drama, so why not . As soon as they start showing games at the same level as their counterparts then game play will probably become the new focus
lol. such a quality post. /s
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On July 01 2012 02:25 IdrA wrote:
how on earth is this still going on
avilo is a joke of a person, anyone who has watched him play, read anything hes written, or heard anything hes said knows that.
Some of us think being a "joke of a person" doesn't warrant verbal abuse.
he kind of tried to act presentable on the show, but he opened up trying to bitch at geoff
Because Geoff had been making crude jokes at his expense all show long. Again, even if he is stupid, that doesn't give you the right to make him the butt of your jokes.
and then as soon as i started talking he was talking over me and saying i agreed with him when i didnt.
The proper way to deal with that is to let him talk until he's done, then ask if you can respond to that.
but avilo isnt supposed to be taken seriously and the fact that this has generated pages of discussion is absurd.
This has generated pages of discussion not because we think Avilo is some sort of strategic mastermind who deserved to have his sage advice shouted from mountaintops, but because he's a human being that was treated like a prop for everyone's entertainment. That wasn't your doing, that was Geoff and JP. But the utter contempt you showed for him was just ugly.
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On July 01 2012 03:02 Facultyadjutant wrote:
No, they were introduced by mvp in an mlg tournament and their role further developed by Slayer Terrans, most notably against Idra, their role isn't archaic but was a new concept. They have been around for a long time, but their purpose hasn't been always the same.
what are you even talking about? You don't remember TLO's hellion opening when he played in the GSL? This was before the roach buff even.. and way, way before MVP "introduced" anything at MLG. And people were going reactored hellion builds in the beta, along with reactored viking builds etc. Hellion openings have always been in the game, MVP or Slayers might have perfected them, but they did not invent hellion openings.
Every build has been in the game, you can see baneling/ultra, roach/ling/bling, mass ling w/ banedrop, basically everything since the beginning, the key is when it became standard and given a clarified role.
A spine hurts more than a queen (Explained by Morrow) and it is, whether you wish it or not: Direct damage in two drones and 225 minerals that is close to a new hatch to put it in perspective.
I completely disagree, and I played both zerg and terran when I was still playing, by the way. 1 spine is a completely reasonable safety investment. It's not "damage" any more than a bunker is "damage." And yes, that's a completely fair comparison, because spines are mobile and can be used all game long. It's an investment.
Yeah it is, a spine and sim city has been the standard and it negates hellion play to a great extent letting zerg drone up, and there were no complaints then. Wether if it does damage or not is a non issue as it is objectively damage due to it being a larva, heavy mineral and bad long term investment (In relation to other investments)
You lack experience in both of these and have no evidence.
How the heck would you know that? I was making bunkers between the nat and 3rd on Antiga and repairing hellions long before the queen buff. If the gain from that strat was dubious (at best) back then, it's certainly not any better now. If it was the correct way to deal with creep spread, the Koreans would be doing it. It's not like building bunkers in the match up is a revolutionary idea.
No I have never claimed that they were revolutionary, however they are early options. And I still don't believe that you have effective personal experience of it. I am not expecting you to find yourself in that, I am just giving my personal opinion and emphasize further testing of these small exploitable holes.
I have a problem with the last part because you are putting it forward like Qxc was there to win over idra in something, but all it was was to oversee what options existed and their viability, the debate was then post poned so the claims from both sides could be established by future observation.
it was an old fashioned debate where they were given sides to argue. Of course the intent of the exorcise was for him to attempt to win his side of the argument. That's how those debates work.
Yes and the debate was post poned as Qxc rationally accepted the views and options that terran has and there is now a waiting time to see how factual evidence show up. There was no winner and no loser.
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On July 01 2012 04:51 Icarox wrote:
As a long time watcher, I really have to express my concerns regarding the show. I don't feel that any show should rely on cheap shots and personal assaults on people without that going unpunished. And I say that disregarding however it is you are talking about. It stays on the net, and if you have a lot of fans that can start a movement within the community that may feel as fun for one party, but most likely will result in bullying for some of the individuals that goes mentioned.
The tone of the shows sometimes just derails and it ends up with loud shouting, constant interruptions and all the awkwardness you can imagine. During those moments I skip forward and look for more moments when the show is actually professional and worth watching again, even if it's on a low level. I like balance discussions, I don't think they need to become very emotional and such, but it's understandable if it happens. I'm not really nit-picky about it since the show goes on for a long while and that makes anyone tired. But the amount of complete shows I watch has been dwindling lately due to the general tone of the show and the way it usually derails.
It is not professional, it is almost unbearable.
When Mia Rose was on the show she got a lot of smack and comments directed to her in a fashion that's never OK in any social groups I ever hang out with. Disregarding anyones past or occupation to rid yourself of prejudice is quite important for any adult individual, unless you support bullying other people.
-"Urrr hurr well her previous occupation was.. you know that right!? urr hurr"
I disregard that. If you can't respect someone in a discussion due to your prejudice, I would rid myself of you on that point alone.
I dont feel that I want to watch this show anymore.
And that sucks because Artosis is a fucking hero.
Please go back to reddit. I'm so tired of reading comments like yours, as if you're some kind of social police, who gets to dictate what people can say.
Do you understand banter? It's something adults can handle, children cannot.
Mia Rose was no victim and she handled any comments towards pretty well, you and your like need to put the pitchforks down.
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On July 01 2012 05:00 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 03:52 kafkaesque wrote:
It was a good joke in bad taste.
Yeah, I laughed.
If you get on a show with Incontrol and IdrA, whose ungoing existance in the world of E-Sports is based upon providing polarizing content for the community, you expect to be made fun of. Where do you think IdrA and Geoff would be, if they were judged only by their ability? There certainly aren't put food on their tables on tournament winnings.
However you call it, and if you like it or not, it's their job to be condescending and insulting to people and say stuff people talk about and if you can't handle that, you shouldn't be on their show. Actually, it's not their 'job'. I'm pretty sure EG Alex doesn't have smack-talk as a provision in their contract. They are condescending and insulting because it's fun for them, and there's a segment of the community that enjoys it. But there are plenty of other thing they can and already do that entertains fans too -- streaming coaching or practices, commentating and analyzing games, talking about the meta game and balance. Anyway, there's a difference between cracking a joke about Mia Rose's asshole on the internet and inviting her to be a guest on the show, and ambushing her with obnoxious or rude questions. The former is relatively fun and harmless, the latter is just somebody being shitty to some one else. Which is about as fun to watch as a car crash.
Yeah there is that but also there's like a line that you shouldn't cross when making jokes like that. Sure Mia perhaps, is hyphothetically, capable of handling a couple bad taste puns/jokes about her ex-occupation, but pushing it farther and making the already awkward situation even more awkward with more bad taste jokes can be hurtful, and it was obvious that she wasn't happy about it. Thankfully Wheat came in and it got a little bit better.
Although given the situation, Mia already being in a (seemingly) low mood and noone else really saying anything, coupled with the fact that pretty much everyone being drunk, the awkwardness was kind of like a given. But still it wasn't fun to watch. The really funny part with that segment was when Mia said to Geoff that he is familiar to her and she must have been together with him on some other occasion/event or something. That "Oh shit!" mimic/Reaction on Geoff's face and the following up laughter bursting from other guys was really fun to watch.
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On July 01 2012 05:47 GGYO111 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 04:51 Icarox wrote:
As a long time watcher, I really have to express my concerns regarding the show. I don't feel that any show should rely on cheap shots and personal assaults on people without that going unpunished. And I say that disregarding however it is you are talking about. It stays on the net, and if you have a lot of fans that can start a movement within the community that may feel as fun for one party, but most likely will result in bullying for some of the individuals that goes mentioned.
The tone of the shows sometimes just derails and it ends up with loud shouting, constant interruptions and all the awkwardness you can imagine. During those moments I skip forward and look for more moments when the show is actually professional and worth watching again, even if it's on a low level. I like balance discussions, I don't think they need to become very emotional and such, but it's understandable if it happens. I'm not really nit-picky about it since the show goes on for a long while and that makes anyone tired. But the amount of complete shows I watch has been dwindling lately due to the general tone of the show and the way it usually derails.
It is not professional, it is almost unbearable.
When Mia Rose was on the show she got a lot of smack and comments directed to her in a fashion that's never OK in any social groups I ever hang out with. Disregarding anyones past or occupation to rid yourself of prejudice is quite important for any adult individual, unless you support bullying other people.
-"Urrr hurr well her previous occupation was.. you know that right!? urr hurr"
I disregard that. If you can't respect someone in a discussion due to your prejudice, I would rid myself of you on that point alone.
I dont feel that I want to watch this show anymore.
And that sucks because Artosis is a fucking hero. Please go back to reddit. I'm so tired of reading comments like yours, as if you're some kind of social police, who gets to dictate what people can say. Do you understand banter? It's something adults can handle, children cannot. Mia Rose was no victim and she handled any comments towards pretty well, you and your like need to put the pitchforks down.
Love how this comment comes from a person who made his account only a few hours ago, but whatever floats the "adults" boat.
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On July 01 2012 05:55 sekritzzz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 05:47 GGYO111 wrote:On July 01 2012 04:51 Icarox wrote:
As a long time watcher, I really have to express my concerns regarding the show. I don't feel that any show should rely on cheap shots and personal assaults on people without that going unpunished. And I say that disregarding however it is you are talking about. It stays on the net, and if you have a lot of fans that can start a movement within the community that may feel as fun for one party, but most likely will result in bullying for some of the individuals that goes mentioned.
The tone of the shows sometimes just derails and it ends up with loud shouting, constant interruptions and all the awkwardness you can imagine. During those moments I skip forward and look for more moments when the show is actually professional and worth watching again, even if it's on a low level. I like balance discussions, I don't think they need to become very emotional and such, but it's understandable if it happens. I'm not really nit-picky about it since the show goes on for a long while and that makes anyone tired. But the amount of complete shows I watch has been dwindling lately due to the general tone of the show and the way it usually derails.
It is not professional, it is almost unbearable.
When Mia Rose was on the show she got a lot of smack and comments directed to her in a fashion that's never OK in any social groups I ever hang out with. Disregarding anyones past or occupation to rid yourself of prejudice is quite important for any adult individual, unless you support bullying other people.
-"Urrr hurr well her previous occupation was.. you know that right!? urr hurr"
I disregard that. If you can't respect someone in a discussion due to your prejudice, I would rid myself of you on that point alone.
I dont feel that I want to watch this show anymore.
And that sucks because Artosis is a fucking hero. Please go back to reddit. I'm so tired of reading comments like yours, as if you're some kind of social police, who gets to dictate what people can say. Do you understand banter? It's something adults can handle, children cannot. Mia Rose was no victim and she handled any comments towards pretty well, you and your like need to put the pitchforks down. Love how this comment comes from a person who made his account only a few hours ago, but whatever floats the "adults" boat.
Judging by the username, he's probably working on permaban #111?
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On July 01 2012 05:47 GGYO111 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 04:51 Icarox wrote:
As a long time watcher, I really have to express my concerns regarding the show. I don't feel that any show should rely on cheap shots and personal assaults on people without that going unpunished. And I say that disregarding however it is you are talking about. It stays on the net, and if you have a lot of fans that can start a movement within the community that may feel as fun for one party, but most likely will result in bullying for some of the individuals that goes mentioned.
The tone of the shows sometimes just derails and it ends up with loud shouting, constant interruptions and all the awkwardness you can imagine. During those moments I skip forward and look for more moments when the show is actually professional and worth watching again, even if it's on a low level. I like balance discussions, I don't think they need to become very emotional and such, but it's understandable if it happens. I'm not really nit-picky about it since the show goes on for a long while and that makes anyone tired. But the amount of complete shows I watch has been dwindling lately due to the general tone of the show and the way it usually derails.
It is not professional, it is almost unbearable.
When Mia Rose was on the show she got a lot of smack and comments directed to her in a fashion that's never OK in any social groups I ever hang out with. Disregarding anyones past or occupation to rid yourself of prejudice is quite important for any adult individual, unless you support bullying other people.
-"Urrr hurr well her previous occupation was.. you know that right!? urr hurr"
I disregard that. If you can't respect someone in a discussion due to your prejudice, I would rid myself of you on that point alone.
I dont feel that I want to watch this show anymore.
And that sucks because Artosis is a fucking hero. Please go back to reddit. I'm so tired of reading comments like yours, as if you're some kind of social police, who gets to dictate what people can say. Do you understand banter? It's something adults can handle, children cannot. Mia Rose was no victim and she handled any comments towards pretty well, you and your like need to put the pitchforks down.
I realize the irony if what I'm saying here, but this right here is everything that is wrong with the SC2 community. And I am referring to your post, not what you are replying to.
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On July 01 2012 06:01 yeint wrote:
Judging by the username, he's probably working on permaban #111?
Seems like they don't witty responses in Estonia eh?
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On July 01 2012 06:08 Nimic wrote:
I realize the irony if what I'm saying here, but this right here is everything that is wrong with the SC2 community. And I am referring to your post, not what you are replying to.
Funny I feel the same way about your type.
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On July 01 2012 06:11 GGYO111 wrote:Show nested quote +I realize the irony if what I'm saying here, but this right here is everything that is wrong with the SC2 community. And I am referring to your post, not what you are replying to. Funny I feel the same way about your type.
Really? What part exactly are you referring to? Or did you just think you'd be clever and use my argument against me, without really considering if it made any sense?
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