Official State of the Game Podcast Thread - Page 2435

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difused

Germany11 Posts

June 30 2012 10:13 GMT

#48681

yea qxc is a bauws, you should have him more often!

FakeDeath

Malaysia6060 Posts

June 30 2012 10:18 GMT

#48682

If they have not brought Avilo, then it would be a good show.
QXC and Idra had a good discussion on the state of ZvT.

Incontrol basically instigated the whole event by wanting Avilo on the show when Idra himself stated he didn't want it and it was a bad idea knowing their bad history(Idra and Avilo).Incontrol can come across as a dick sometimes seeing how he wanted to see the clusterfuck that happened between Idra and Avilo. Well he stated he was out of line this time so yeah.

Didn't really see much of Tyler.

Rossweazel

United Kingdom135 Posts

June 30 2012 11:11 GMT

#48683

I know it has been said before on this thread but to add another voice to the sentiment, I really enjoyed QXCs discussion with Idra. It seemed like two people talking to each other and listening rather than an exercise in point scoring.

Definitely gained respect for QXC from watching that.

Fragile51

Netherlands15767 Posts

June 30 2012 11:16 GMT

#48684

If QXC could be a regular on SoTG i would be so happy, i love his insight and the way in which he brings it.

Roggay

Switzerland6320 Posts

June 30 2012 11:34 GMT

#48685

Oh wow, this discussion is still going strong...
So much drama over nothing at all...

RaiKhan

Netherlands69 Posts

June 30 2012 11:40 GMT

#48686

I actually really liked this episode for the indepth discussion that Idra and QXC went into. I feel that SOTG has really been missing a lot by almost eliminating the strategy talks that were the staple in the early episodes and replacing it with tournament summaries and drama talk...

Anyway, If anyone wants the see the points Idra made in action, you should check out Sculps TvZ games in today NSHoseo v TSL match. For example, in his game against Revival, Sculp went crazy greedy econ play with bio pressure, going for 4 CCs and taking the third at the same time as the zerg who had no way to stop him because he was sitting back defending his three bases with queens. In the end Sculp lost, but the game looked vary balanced in all stages. I would recommend it to all the sad marines

As for the Avilo thing, it was simply a mistake to have him on the show - he brought nothing interesting to the discussion and was just there to argue for arguments sake. JP should get a slap on the wrist for inviting him, but he already got way more shit than it warranted so lets just move on

Looking forward to the next show and am very glad to have Tyler back on the crew

iky43210

United States2099 Posts

June 30 2012 11:44 GMT

#48687

Kennigitt views on maturity and esport, and addresses SOTG.

It is quite long, but definitely alot of insights and effort was put in

Disengaged

United States6994 Posts

June 30 2012 12:26 GMT

#48688

Jesus, are you people seriously still talking about this?

SilSol

Sweden2744 Posts

June 30 2012 12:44 GMT

#48689

On June 30 2012 20:44 iky43210 wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02PYncegCuw&feature=player_embedded
Kennigitt views on maturity and esport, and addresses SOTG.

It is quite long, but definitely alot of insights and effort was put in

Kennigit is such a humble and a nice guy! Hes so right in his blog and he feels real and laid back!

Mozdk

Denmark6989 Posts

June 30 2012 13:11 GMT

#48690

Why isn't Day9 on SOTG anymore?

Roggay

Switzerland6320 Posts

June 30 2012 13:14 GMT

#48691

On June 30 2012 22:11 Mozdk wrote:
Why isn't Day9 on SOTG anymore?

Well he is/was on a break.
And he even when he wasnt he didnt have a lot of time to be on the show.

Deleted User 218615

163 Posts

June 30 2012 13:14 GMT

#48692

On June 30 2012 22:11 Mozdk wrote:
Why isn't Day9 on SOTG anymore?

Day9 is on vacation!

Deckkie

Netherlands1595 Posts

June 30 2012 13:19 GMT

#48693

On June 30 2012 22:14 Nordmo wrote:

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Day9 is on vacation!

He hasnt been on the show for many months.
No idea why he left STOG.

Jarree

Finland1004 Posts

June 30 2012 13:23 GMT

#48694

On June 30 2012 22:11 Mozdk wrote:
Why isn't Day9 on SOTG anymore?

Kennigit adressed that in his videoblog above.

Roggay

Switzerland6320 Posts

June 30 2012 13:25 GMT

#48695

On June 30 2012 22:23 Jarree wrote:

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Kennigit adressed that in his videoblog above.

Thats only suppositions tho (that day9 is distancing himself from the show to avoid hurting his image/brand).

Zealos

United Kingdom3576 Posts

June 30 2012 13:25 GMT

#48696

On June 30 2012 22:23 Jarree wrote:

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Kennigit adressed that in his videoblog above.

Yep. And I'd never thought of it like that. Wonder if that is the case.

Tuczniak

1561 Posts

June 30 2012 13:28 GMT

#48697

On June 30 2012 22:25 Roggay wrote:

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Thats only suppositions tho (that day9 is distancing himself from the show to avoid hurting his image/brand).

I don't like how is SOTG going, but i don't think it hurts for example Tyler's image at all. If you don't want to engage in certain conversation, just don't.

Roggay

Switzerland6320 Posts

June 30 2012 13:29 GMT

#48698

On June 30 2012 22:28 Tuczniak wrote:

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I don't like how is SOTG going, but i don't think it hurts for example Tyler's image at all. If you don't want to engage in some converstation, just don't.

Yea, I think qxc received a lot of support for what he did on the show this time too.

Jarree

Finland1004 Posts

June 30 2012 13:38 GMT

#48699

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02PYncegCuw&feature=player_embedded

SOTG part 18:00 ->

Ballack

Norway821 Posts

June 30 2012 13:43 GMT

#48700

On June 30 2012 12:40 maliceee wrote:

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On June 30 2012 11:25 Ballack wrote:

On June 30 2012 01:42 iNcontroL wrote:
rabble rabble rabble ! ! ! !

I can't believe IdrA said stfu to someone! - WHO THE FUCK is shocked by this? SERIOUSLY. If IdrA doesn't like someone it has been shown, time in and time again that he will tell them exactly what he thinks. Avilo has EARNED his position in the community. 99% of the people bitching are looking in on something they have no clue about.. they see IdrA an etablished pro not being decent to Avilo a scumbag whiner who constantly attacks us every chance he can get.. it just so turns out nobody gives a damn because they were trained to ignore him by his constant balance whining.

Oh my god, iNcontroL is a bully because he was snickering during the interview and he makes fun of avilo! -- HELLO, I fucking mock EVERYONE. That very show I teased khaldor and wolf. Is there anyone I haven't mocked or teased? Does that make me a bully? Only if you are insecure or uninformed I guess. I mock friends AND I mock shit heads. Avilo happens to be a shit head. He is a broken record on balance AND he is a broken record on his insecurity with who is talking about him.. if that makes me a bully FINE. I guess that is the case. I fucking tried to hand that kid an olive branch and promoted his stream but he turns around and goes ape shit in this very thread one week ago naming me over and over as someone who failed in WCS which meant he was better etc etc.. I don't give a fuck if you guys don't understand my teasing and mocking of him but if you don't care to TRY to understand then wtf?

JP cut him off without letting him finish? Oh the horror! -- He was at that time incoherently babbling over IdrA about how he "agreed with greg" and kept twisting what greg was saying around as if it was a point in favor of terran. The argument was neither entertaining nor was it informative.. it was a guy hopping on the show after starting a shit storm the week before, first thing he asks about is me teasing him or taking "pot shots" and then he goes on to interrupt idra, take his words and twist them and speak over everyone else.. greg lost his cool and JP controlled that shit. Should he have barked over Avilo "thanks for coming on" and then hung up on him? I guess in some wierd internet way that would be less impolite.. ok.

We called it. We said this was Mia Rose all over again. A terrible idea amidst an otherwise fine show. So that is on us. But I got to be honest with you: Fuck a lot of you. Fuck you forever. Get all up in arms about Avilo and start trashing IdrA, JP and myself. Asking for us to quit the show and leave SC2. This show isn't earning me or IdrA money. And lately, it has been really fucking annoying actually. We aren't allowed to make mistakes when we discuss shit. We have to give context for everything we say to be careful that some uppity 30 post prick who has been around for 6 months won't run off and try to create drama.

This shit WILL blow over because at the end of the day there is no grabby sound bite.. there is no image of greg double birding the screen in a fit of rage. There is a bunch of insecure asshats interpreting things as bad as they possibly can with 0 context for why Avilo was spoken to that way. It just sickens me how completely tunnel visioned a lot of this community is.. you WANT to get people fired you WANT to make people break and snap.. great.

Well enjoy your 2.3 days of drama. After this avilo will go on to shit on everyone he talks to that doesn't agree with him. He will continue to play the martyr for as long as the community will give him that attention. We are going to keep doing the show because most of you deserve it and we will continue to make the same kind of jokes and from time to time make mistakes by allowing people on the show that don't deserve it and bring out the worst in people.

I find it quite interesting to look back at this reply along with the other prominent members of the community commenting on the issue. All of them, like Kennigit, JP, Nony and I'm sure there are others that either haven't commented yet or don't feel the need to. They distance themselves from the situation, they admit things went too far and that such behavior isn't really optimal or viable in the long term. All but you Geoff. Much of what I wrote is thoughts I sat with after watching Kennigit's vlog from today, I urge everyone to watch it!

Your whole post is about justifying your behavior when there's really no reasonable way of justifying it. The context isn't really relevant as to your behavior. You among others on the show are acting like 15 year old jocks towards a guy but this time not around your gang but in front of 10k or so viewers. I find it acceptable of you to ridicule people by making counterarguments about what they say and laughing about what someone said. But to start making fun of someone for the way they speak shows your immaturity and totally ravages what "context" you had to lean against when justifying your actions. You acted on Inside the Game and on this SotG typically of what a bully in high school would, except for the fact that you are well over twenty years old.

You ended up attacking/making fun of shit about him that's not in his control, and you should apologize for that. If you are so blind that you think the fact that he can be a whiny about balance and that he attacks you and EG sometimes would somehow justify you doing that then you are fucking wrong, and you need to grow up.

The other part of your defense is that you treat others just the same way. So first you talk about context for why you teased Avilo, well what about the context here? This is where context actually holds any value, and you comparing what you did towards Avilo with the shit about Wolf and Khaldor is downright laughable, you seriously need to get a grip. Furthermore you show how little you understand about the situation, unless you are seriously identifying yourself as a bully, although I kind of doubt that.

Next I will touch on what I believe is the essence of what I am talking about here. You are asking us to try to understand why you treated Avilo like a sack of shit. Well, you see Geoff, a guy of your status shouldn't treat ANYONE like a sack of shit in front of 10000 people. I remember you writing something along the lines of "you are not special, we (the hosts on SotG) are, we matter" when addressing haters. Well, yes, you are special, you are a prominent figure in the scene, perhaps it's time to start fucking acting like it. Oh and don't think you're irreplaceable and magnificent in it of yourself, you're not.

If all I wrote in this post or the previous one doesn't affect you at all, then there is one thing I especially want you to reflect upon. What made you use Avilo's speech impairment as something to make fun of him over? You see this is where I can definitely say you are acting like a child, because no responsible person would just throw shit like that out to get a laugh, unless it is towards a person he/she knows can take it. Jon Stewart makes a lot of impressions, have you ever seen him do it towards a basically unknown person? In front of 10000 people you made fun of a guy of less prominence than yourself for his lisp, and that sir, was a douchey thing to do.

Lastly I'd just like to say that I am a fan of yours. I think you're a great caster, you're funny and you're quite likable. I've followed you performances for over two years now and I want you to succeed as a player. This post isn't from a hater, but a fan. I want you to reflect on the way you acted and urge you to lose the behavior of a fifteen year old, you're a grown soon to be married man, act like it.

Edit: I'm sure there a numerous typos in my post, but it's late...I'm gonna go sleep!

yea, i kind of understood what you were saying until this. He may have messed up this time, and Idra messes up constantly, but that is part of the reason they are so distinguishable from other "quality" players that act like robots. I don't know about you or anyone else, but I enjoy listening to REAL banter and behavior over politically correct boring personalities any day. I hate incontrol some days and like him others, but he's fucking entertaining and that's undeniable. People love to hate him.

The culture of video games is unique in that it allows above average players to mingle with pro players. This is getting hard to maintain with the increasingly adolescent and butthurt audience. It used to be a fucking honor to have a pro player even mention your name. Now you have an above average player talking shit to pros and expecting to be accommodated with the same respect these guys have had to build for almost a decade. Idra is Idra, he's gonna be a dick. Inc is Inc. They are who they are, and if they change to appease the whiners then the awesome rapport between the audience and pro players will have to change also. I hope they read this stupid posts and just say fuck all and keep doing SOTG the way it started.

He used his position to ridicule who has no means to respond in any significant way, regardless of whether or not he's an asshole. In addition, the way Geoff did it was very childish. This isn't about being butthurt, this is about letting them know where the line goes. Making fun of people loses the entirety of it's value if the victim gets hurt from it or is put in a bad light because of it. I am of course not talking about the friendly banter and the hilarious analogies Geoff throws out there most of the time. That's a part of my point too, Geoff can be funny and edgy and be honest in front of the community, and he has both the intelligence and wit to do so without turning into an asshole.

Why I am writing about it here is because I wanted to give them feedback. The shit that went down retracted from my experience, it was unnecessary and childish, and I don't think the more mature portion of the viewership went like "WOHOO MORE OF THIS GUYS" after watching that episode.

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