EPTRemember this gem DJwheat wrote? http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=168066
The professionalism obsession is killing what made this community great.
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elmizzt
United States3309 Posts
Remember this gem DJwheat wrote? http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=168066 The professionalism obsession is killing what made this community great. | ||
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TT1
Canada10102 Posts
ridiculed, w/e suits u best : D | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On June 30 2012 15:28 saladToss wrote: State of the game is going to turn in to state of the shit we stirred up last week. boring yeah my thoughts exactly please make the show about the game. did you really think that inviting avilo on would provide any better insight into the tvz discussion, or was it just an attempt at stirring up shit for reddit to talk about? at this point the show has become focused on drama and it seems like you all are conscious of this fact but rather then try to change it, you just make flippant jokes about the show's reputation and then continue on with all the drama anyways. that shit is boring to people who tune in to hear about starcraft 2, if people want their fill of sc2 themed drama they can go to reddit. once again please make the show about starcraft. the show has a long history of being perhaps the biggest talk show in sc2 and jp probably has as good of social networking within sc2 as anyone else, to me it seems a shame to let the potential for a great sc2 related show become what it currently is. if the hosts are actually ok with the show becoming drama oriented then it's their right to do so, and i guess that just sucks for all of us who loved the show in its early days. | ||
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fallenknight
Canada19 Posts
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sureshot_
United States257 Posts
On June 30 2012 15:35 Shai wrote: Was going to post in the branched thread, but apparently it died. I think it's deplorable that people are allowed to gang up on a relatively mannered individual and then have the gall to claim that he was the rude one. However, when you realize who two of the major figures were in this gang up, two prolific members of EG, it starts to make sense. I think that just like the fighting community has to grow up fast now that they're getting bigger and slightly more in the public eye, so too must the SC2 community become more professional (albeit to a lesser degree). Idra shouldn't be on a talk show, that much is pretty obvious, but I don't blame him. He doesn't claim to be a good speaking public figure/role model, and that's fine. But the other members of SotG continuously vouching for him, particularly his team captain, seems short sighted and immature. Rest assured that if people were disrespectful in content and delivery in this way in professional sports, people would get fired. Now the main counterargument to this, I'd imagine, is that SC2 and eSports are inherently adolescent/young adult dominant and we cannot ask the players to be professional in this manner. However, look at the only country where eSports have been televised consistently for a decade. Korean pro gamers are expected to have an air of maturity and respect about them, and that has happened to coincide with a somewhat publicly accepted culture of eSports in Korea. I don't chose to watch primarily Korean SC2 just because they tend to be the better players, but I also do because I can respect them and what they do. This is also why among foreign teams I follow mostly only TL. No one ganged up on anyone. No one claimed either side was rude (if you're talking about Avilo and Idra, than that's the lousiest argument I've ever heard). I don't know what the hell show you were watching but it was a heated, swift argument between two individuals that had to be ended in an urgent, and possibly rude way. The only legitimate argument I see you have is that Idra shouldn't be on the show, which I can see there being a concern for, but considering he was consistently against having Avilo on the show leading up to the event I can't really argue for that. There's NOTHING more to talk about. Everyone on the show has owned up to at least some level of responsibility (JP primarily). This is the kind of bullshit that makes drama. This stuff happens all the time in sports/reality talk shows, and theres no reason to compare/differentiate the two. This wasn't some televised event or purchased entertainment it was a mistake made on a free stream during a community talk show. God forbid, people who don't agree with each other on the internet. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On June 30 2012 15:40 thrawn2112 wrote: did you really think that inviting avilo on would provide any better insight into the tvz discussion, or was it just an attempt at stirring up shit for reddit to talk about? Can we please stop calling out reddit every time something like this happens? It's so easy to say "yeah, it's them guys at reddit". No it isn't. It's everyone. It's on TL, and it's just as bad. We've ridden TL's reputation into the ground over the last 2 years, at least when it comes to community interaction (although that's not the only thing that went down in standard), and it's about time we stop pretending we still have it. | ||
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Cereb
Denmark3388 Posts
Great show again guys! You guys are so bloody entertaining!  Also please get QXC more frequently! He's so awesome and has been on every single show he's been on! Edit: On June 30 2012 15:30 LuckyFool wrote: Yo Idra how dare you not keep up with my blog daily....wtfbro! LOL! I will try and find your blog now just because of this awesome comment! | ||
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LaM
United States1321 Posts
On June 30 2012 16:12 Talin wrote: Can we please stop calling out reddit every time something like this happens? It's so easy to say "yeah, it's them guys at reddit". No it isn't. It's everyone. It's on TL, and it's just as bad. We've ridden TL's reputation into the ground over the last 2 years, at least when it comes to community interaction (although that's not the only thing that went down in standard), and it's about time we stop pretending we still have it. TL and Reddit both have their pros/cons. No need for either to shit on the other. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On June 30 2012 16:12 Talin wrote: Can we please stop calling out reddit every time something like this happens? It's so easy to say "yeah, it's them guys at reddit". No it isn't. It's everyone. It's on TL, and it's just as bad. We've ridden TL's reputation into the ground over the last 2 years, at least when it comes to community interaction (although that's not the only thing that went down in standard), and it's about time we stop pretending we still have it. wasn't really putting "blame" on reddit singularly, it was more of just a unrelated cheap shot intended to convey a general idea of the type of audience that i think sotg is more focused on nowadays | ||
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sc14s
United States5052 Posts
On June 30 2012 16:22 thrawn2112 wrote: wasn't really putting "blame" on reddit singularly, it was more of just a unrelated cheap shot intended to convey a general idea of the type of audience that i think sotg is more focused on nowadays gaiz we need more thumbs and and down systems, this is democracy amirite? seriously though this whole thing wasn't even that big of a deal and people need to stop whining about "killing e-sports" | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On June 30 2012 16:24 sc14s wrote: gaiz we need more thumbs and and down systems, this is democracy amirite? seriously though this whole thing wasn't even that big of a deal and people need to stop whining about "killing e-sports" yeah it's not that big of a deal especially considering how unsurprising it was when it happened, but i think it's a good way to start a discussion about how many people who watched sotg when it first came out are now no longer interested because the show is no longer about the state of the game | ||
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sc14s
United States5052 Posts
On June 30 2012 16:28 thrawn2112 wrote: yeah it's not that big of a deal especially considering how unsurprising it was when it happened, but i think it's a good way to start a discussion about how many people who watched sotg when it first came out are now no longer interested because the show is no longer about the state of the game well i pretty much stopped watching it like 8 months ago lol, it piqued my interest for a little while but tbh all the "talk shows" are just fluff and a waste of my eyes' and ears' time. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On June 30 2012 16:30 sc14s wrote: well i pretty much stopped watching it like 8 months ago lol, it piqued my interest for a little while but tbh all the "talk shows" are just fluff and a waste of my eyes' and ears' time. yeah imo the show was the most interesting back in the beta when there was a new patch every 2 weeks. i think making fun of blizzard is something everyone can get behind | ||
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Parcelleus
Australia1662 Posts
Attacking Avilo, QXC or Idra is a waste of time, attack what they are saying, it is a more useful discussion. I certainly liked having QXC and Idra discuss TvZ, Idra has good points that it is basically to early to make any final ideas about the Queen buff. And QXC has a good point that early game atm is very difficult for T and more ideas need to surface, not to mention some good points about Infestors and how hard they are to EMP against a good Zerg. | ||
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ajkayken
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Alpha Plague
Canada23 Posts
Also, it's Miss-a-Saw-gah...the name of the town. | ||
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TRaFFiC
Canada1448 Posts
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schmutttt
Australia3856 Posts
All the guys on the last show are some of my favorite players/personalities in eSports, but aside from qxc and Tyler they all made a fool of themselves on ep 72. Incontrol only wanting avilo on the show so he can make fun of him, JP randomly dropping him from call with zero warning (Seriously man what did you think would happen when you brought him on?) and IdrA starting to abuse avilo just because he wasn't very clear with a point (To be fair IdrA didn't want to do it in the first place). I'll still listen to the show, still watch IdrA/Incontrol games whenever possible, and whilst it wasn't the biggest deal it was disappointing to see such immaturity on show. | ||
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URfavHO
United States514 Posts
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yeint
Estonia2329 Posts
Which is why SotG missed a massive opportunity to be a moderated, public discussion between qualified people, by turning it into a dog and pony show. Huge, controversial metagame shifts demand reasoned discussion, not a Fox News style yelling match. It honestly seems like Avilo was brought on because QXC was not getting sufficiently antagonistic in response to Idra's usual Gish Gallop debating tactics. Metagame discussion should not be an unmoderated, unstructured debate. Debates are competitive arguing, not a method of gaining insight into anything. | ||
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