EPTOfficial State of the Game Podcast Thread - Page 2432
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-eXalt
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On June 30 2012 10:16 Talack wrote: The problem is that massing queens beats all of those units. There isn't a unit we have that can harass the zerg anymore. No race should have a "easy button unit" that can keep your opponent on his toes while you do basically nothing but some easy micro, esp at such a cheap cost. I've seen korean pro Terrans literally just move out with a group of early stim marines instead of hellions, clear the creep, and go back home. He accomplished the same thing, but only if he can hit a very precise timing that only comes from having good game sense.. imo that type strategy is much more valid than an easy button unit to harass for the entire early game. I don't know how to phrase this nicely, but Terrans who can't comprehend how to put pressure/force units from a Zerg w/out hellions are most likely really bad at the game and have horrible game sense. | ||
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Roarer
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On June 30 2012 06:00 Liquid`NonY wrote: I don't think avilo had anything unique to contribute to the discussion. It's his mistake for wanting to come on the show without any good reason to come on the show. He either thought what he had to say was unique and compelling OR he felt his authority was great enough that there's value behind him in particular putting his weight behind common arguments and observations. It wasn't so bad for the show before the latest show, when he originally wanted to come on, but following the qxc/idra discussion was very bad. SC2 strategy discussions, and balance discussions in general, often happen without anything original being said. There are few units and viable builds in the game. There are few viable styles and broad strategical "moves" which are all defined by different distributions of investments (between army, economy, tech, upgrades, static defense, etc). These broad things are few but their applications are so vast that discussions quickly go beyond anyone's knowledge. What players typically try to do with their investment distributions is find out the "sweet spot" investment for that moment in that particular game. For example, IdrA claims that there is a sweet spot investment in army that a terran player can do after going 3 CC. This sweet spot puts significant pressure on the zerg. Upping that investment, say 50%, from 2000 resources to 3000 resources, might yield very little benefit, and also makes it impossible to precede it with 3 CC, which makes it a dead-end build. When a patch comes that significantly changes a matchup, what is usually happening is most of the known sweet spots are no longer so sweet. That's IdrA saying that the old builds don't work. What are the new sweet spots? Well, no one knows for sure or else the discussion wouldn't be happening. So the discussion can't really have a definitive end. You can only have a player from each perspective point vaguely in a direction and agree that some hope exists. The queen and overlord changes are almost exclusively affecting sweet spots. That is, when IdrA said Stephano using queens offensively was an anomaly, that's the point he's making. This patch didn't change a unit that was core to some army composition. Such a change would change the scope of the discussion because timings would no longer be the main issue (ghost snipe change). Idra and qxc fleshed out the issues so that anyone who didn't know what the hell was going on with TvZ atm would know. And then they did their best to use all the specific knowledge of the matchup they have, both the outdated pre-patch knowledge and the post-patch fallout, to figure out which alternatives look most promising. Someone saying that all other options amount to nothing and that the game is fundamentally broken is not helpful. As experienced players, we know for a fact that not all options have been properly attempted. What we know is that one option that terrans were comfortable with and zergs were uncomfortable with is now no longer possible. A player from the race that just got nerfed does not have something interesting to say if whatever they're saying is negative. It's just not possible to have comprehensively proven that there's no hope. The nerfed race is interesting when they say they've figured out a new sweet spot that is looking good. As soon as Avilo took a negative view for terran, he was setting himself up to be either completely uninteresting and unoriginal or completely ridiculous. QXC knew this fact for himself and poked fun at the situation SOTG was trying to put him in by asking something like "oh so you want me to assume it's imbalanced and defend that?" Avilo asked to be put into that position and proceeded headlong with an errant tact. Most players with more knowledge and experience would refuse to go into the same situation. They certainly wouldn't ask for it. ---- As for the way JP, Geoff and Greg behaved, there's really no defending it either. There's certainly plenty of explaining it. It was nowhere near as bad as some people paint it. Context and history also soften the picture for people who saw only this one incident. But it still wasn't the kind of behavior I'd want to see on a show and not the kind of show that I want to be a part of. When JP and Geoff said it was happening, I just took a back seat because there have been many things that they do that turn out to be awesome and popular which I wouldn't have done. Now some of those things have gone so bad that I think we'll have to be more careful. I didn't know how this would go. There was a chance it could have been awesome and I don't like preventing things that might turn out awesome just because some sensitive people might be outraged over cringing for two minutes one time. But it's also our (unpaid) job to bring you awesome, all the damn time. So what bothers me isn't so much that Avilo had a bad time (I'm not responsible for him) but rather that SOTG presented a shitty segment. It's a difficulty of a live show. To quote Geoff, this was a learning experience. We've got to get better. Next time we'll be better. (Unless we suck next time too, and then that'll also be a learning experience, and we'll be better the time after that, trust me.) Since Avilo did not bring up much great points, I would just use the QXC Idra discussion as my example here. The balance discussion took place, IMO have very little value in itself because both the Terran and Zerg side statements are based on subjective feelings and belief. Using the "sweet sopt" analogy, the 2 players are actually arguing about if they feel the Terran options are sweet / sweet enough. It is the most obvious when Idra proposed the 3CC greedy builds and QXC just gave out his experience doing so. It is a known fact that the Zerg has the strongest economy, and QXC just said the situation is already out of control when he moved out. Is it truly out of control? Both of them cannot find any means to justify their stance. Why don't they just throw out objective information such as time needed for the Zerg to saturate three base if both race go completely passive? Information such as the resource Zerg mined when the Terran move out with a standard push after 3CC. Information like these can help justify if the suggested build is viable and allow players to better judge the situation. Of course, it is different from a real game (just like science experiments are different from reality) but it can help point out if the direction is correct. Players can then modify the estimation by squeezing in harassment and the zerg investment needed to hold them off. A discussion based on objective facts is way more fruitful than Idra saying "you can!" with QXC replying "I can't!". Even if facts cannot be provided, pass games can be used as examples. Just point to old VODs and replays. They are less convinvving but they help a bit. Do you think players are actually ill-prepared to engage in a fruitful balance discussion ? Do you think players are lacking in backing up points with facts? You can hardly persuade people with biased mindset without hard solid fact. To me, the balance discussion is more of a rant and a deny of rant. Both are just expressing how they feel instead of further understanding the match up from each other point of view. Is this what SotG should do ? I do not think so. It's just like Artosis telling Incontrol how will he smash Protoss with the Zerg HotS units.(I like Artosis's statements, but it is just not a discussion at all) It is not a discussion at all here either. Its more of 2 people writing their own respective blog, and smashing them together in one place. Is it too much to ask pros to provide these facts? I thought they work on the game and at least know the timings and resources. Is it healthy for StoG to continue to have this sort of discussion ? On June 30 2012 01:42 iNcontroL wrote: rabble rabble rabble ! ! ! ! I can't believe IdrA said stfu to someone! - WHO THE FUCK is shocked by this? SERIOUSLY. If IdrA doesn't like someone it has been shown, time in and time again that he will tell them exactly what he thinks. Avilo has EARNED his position in the community. 99% of the people bitching are looking in on something they have no clue about.. they see IdrA an etablished pro not being decent to Avilo a scumbag whiner who constantly attacks us every chance he can get.. it just so turns out nobody gives a damn because they were trained to ignore him by his constant balance whining. Oh my god, iNcontroL is a bully because he was snickering during the interview and he makes fun of avilo! -- HELLO, I fucking mock EVERYONE. That very show I teased khaldor and wolf. Is there anyone I haven't mocked or teased? Does that make me a bully? Only if you are insecure or uninformed I guess. I mock friends AND I mock shit heads. Avilo happens to be a shit head. He is a broken record on balance AND he is a broken record on his insecurity with who is talking about him.. if that makes me a bully FINE. I guess that is the case. I fucking tried to hand that kid an olive branch and promoted his stream but he turns around and goes ape shit in this very thread one week ago naming me over and over as someone who failed in WCS which meant he was better etc etc.. I don't give a fuck if you guys don't understand my teasing and mocking of him but if you don't care to TRY to understand then wtf? JP cut him off without letting him finish? Oh the horror! -- He was at that time incoherently babbling over IdrA about how he "agreed with greg" and kept twisting what greg was saying around as if it was a point in favor of terran. The argument was neither entertaining nor was it informative.. it was a guy hopping on the show after starting a shit storm the week before, first thing he asks about is me teasing him or taking "pot shots" and then he goes on to interrupt idra, take his words and twist them and speak over everyone else.. greg lost his cool and JP controlled that shit. Should he have barked over Avilo "thanks for coming on" and then hung up on him? I guess in some wierd internet way that would be less impolite.. ok. We called it. We said this was Mia Rose all over again. A terrible idea amidst an otherwise fine show. So that is on us. But I got to be honest with you: Fuck a lot of you. Fuck you forever. Get all up in arms about Avilo and start trashing IdrA, JP and myself. Asking for us to quit the show and leave SC2. This show isn't earning me or IdrA money. And lately, it has been really fucking annoying actually. We aren't allowed to make mistakes when we discuss shit. We have to give context for everything we say to be careful that some uppity 30 post prick who has been around for 6 months won't run off and try to create drama. This shit WILL blow over because at the end of the day there is no grabby sound bite.. there is no image of greg double birding the screen in a fit of rage. There is a bunch of insecure asshats interpreting things as bad as they possibly can with 0 context for why Avilo was spoken to that way. It just sickens me how completely tunnel visioned a lot of this community is.. you WANT to get people fired you WANT to make people break and snap.. great. Well enjoy your 2.3 days of drama. After this avilo will go on to shit on everyone he talks to that doesn't agree with him. He will continue to play the martyr for as long as the community will give him that attention. We are going to keep doing the show because most of you deserve it and we will continue to make the same kind of jokes and from time to time make mistakes by allowing people on the show that don't deserve it and bring out the worst in people. People are discontent with the attitude and personality shown in this episode. They are trying to tell you guys that behavior like that is not welcomed. It is not people never expect Idra to be emotional. It is more of people want the hosts to behave professional and be a better representative of the community, its the same thing as Incontrol asking Destiny to eliminate sensitive words from Destiny's own stream. Destiny did not ask to represent the community but he was one of the representative. SotG is also another representative. People is clear this time, the behavior showed is not what they want, they do not want such behavior to be spread in the community. Idra being the bad boy all the time does not make Idra being the bad boy in the future justifiable. Fans of the show does not want his personality overshadow the atmosphere on the show. It is a clear feedback that people want a more reserve situation than potentially blowing everything up because of personality. It is the same when people complain about Incontrol's behavior. Incontrol mock others all the time but that does not mean he should do so in the future. I hope people still remeber Incontrol making fun of TLO's English accent and TLO got offended and refuse to come on the show. The mocking hurt the image of the show, it also hurt the show directly cause they lose a potential great guest. It is part of Incontrol's personality, but it is not welcomed. The whole Incontrol post I am quoting here show how the feedback is misunderstood. What Incontrol is telling us is nothing more than having an Avilo's fan(if there is any) to tell Idra that Idra should not be mad because everyone knows Avilo behaved that way all the time. Are you serious? Moerover, history in the past do not justify these behavior. If people are granted the right to offend others just because they are offended in the past, when will the cycle ends? I felt offended and I response by offending you, and you felt offended and offend me, and the whole cycle will just permit everyone to get mad and offend everyone. There is no way to draw the line when does the offensive words start either cuz people can be offended in a way you never anticipated. People having huge ego can get offended easily. People have unique past that we never know. The whole idea of revenging offensive behavior by offensive behavior is simply wrong. I am not gonna address Avilo's behvior here cause I do not care about him at all and I see no future in him representing this community. He got enough attention by being himself and he does not deserve more! | ||
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Gluttony
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I love the fact that the celebrities are so close to us, writes in out chatrooms and forums. I also feel bad for them. Feedback is good, but people don't know how to do it, dont know how to appreciate what they are given. Not everything is always good in the show, but take the NonY-approach. If I were one of the hosts I really wouldnt feel like continue dong the show anymore after theese two shows storms that followed. It feels like SotG is about to gain so much negatvity that people no more will want to associate themselves with it. I would seriously understand whomever took that decision. I so hope that wont happen. Don't read this! But if you do, Don't let the haters scare you away. I'm sure most people, even in this thread (omg  ) want you to continue, as Incontrol said, the drama will be past us in a few days. (and tbh, iNcontrol is pretty much correct in what he says, he just shouldnt "say it out loud" because it is not the optimal thing image wise, but fuck that sometimes.I'm going in circles here, but whatever. Fuck wanting perfection, I want a perfect SotG. Who the fuck is perfect anyway? I'll comeback to this sometime, with more of a point. Thanks for the show, Shit happens. | ||
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maliceee
United States634 Posts
On June 30 2012 11:25 Ballack wrote: I find it quite interesting to look back at this reply along with the other prominent members of the community commenting on the issue. All of them, like Kennigit, JP, Nony and I'm sure there are others that either haven't commented yet or don't feel the need to. They distance themselves from the situation, they admit things went too far and that such behavior isn't really optimal or viable in the long term. All but you Geoff. Much of what I wrote is thoughts I sat with after watching Kennigit's vlog from today, I urge everyone to watch it! Your whole post is about justifying your behavior when there's really no reasonable way of justifying it. The context isn't really relevant as to your behavior. You among others on the show are acting like 15 year old jocks towards a guy but this time not around your gang but in front of 10k or so viewers. I find it acceptable of you to ridicule people by making counterarguments about what they say and laughing about what someone said. But to start making fun of someone for the way they speak shows your immaturity and totally ravages what "context" you had to lean against when justifying your actions. You acted on Inside the Game and on this SotG typically of what a bully in high school would, except for the fact that you are well over twenty years old. You ended up attacking/making fun of shit about him that's not in his control, and you should apologize for that. If you are so blind that you think the fact that he can be a whiny about balance and that he attacks you and EG sometimes would somehow justify you doing that then you are fucking wrong, and you need to grow up. The other part of your defense is that you treat others just the same way. So first you talk about context for why you teased Avilo, well what about the context here? This is where context actually holds any value, and you comparing what you did towards Avilo with the shit about Wolf and Khaldor is downright laughable, you seriously need to get a grip. Furthermore you show how little you understand about the situation, unless you are seriously identifying yourself as a bully, although I kind of doubt that. Next I will touch on what I believe is the essence of what I am talking about here. You are asking us to try to understand why you treated Avilo like a sack of shit. Well, you see Geoff, a guy of your status shouldn't treat ANYONE like a sack of shit in front of 10000 people. I remember you writing something along the lines of "you are not special, we (the hosts on SotG) are, we matter" when addressing haters. Well, yes, you are special, you are a prominent figure in the scene, perhaps it's time to start fucking acting like it. Oh and don't think you're irreplaceable and magnificent in it of yourself, you're not. If all I wrote in this post or the previous one doesn't affect you at all, then there is one thing I especially want you to reflect upon. What made you use Avilo's speech impairment as something to make fun of him over? You see this is where I can definitely say you are acting like a child, because no responsible person would just throw shit like that out to get a laugh, unless it is towards a person he/she knows can take it. Jon Stewart makes a lot of impressions, have you ever seen him do it towards a basically unknown person? In front of 10000 people you made fun of a guy of less prominence than yourself for his lisp, and that sir, was a douchey thing to do. Lastly I'd just like to say that I am a fan of yours. I think you're a great caster, you're funny and you're quite likable. I've followed you performances for over two years now and I want you to succeed as a player. This post isn't from a hater, but a fan. I want you to reflect on the way you acted and urge you to lose the behavior of a fifteen year old, you're a grown soon to be married man, act like it. Edit: I'm sure there a numerous typos in my post, but it's late...I'm gonna go sleep! yea, i kind of understood what you were saying until this. He may have messed up this time, and Idra messes up constantly, but that is part of the reason they are so distinguishable from other "quality" players that act like robots. I don't know about you or anyone else, but I enjoy listening to REAL banter and behavior over politically correct boring personalities any day. I hate incontrol some days and like him others, but he's fucking entertaining and that's undeniable. People love to hate him. The culture of video games is unique in that it allows above average players to mingle with pro players. This is getting hard to maintain with the increasingly adolescent and butthurt audience. It used to be a fucking honor to have a pro player even mention your name. Now you have an above average player talking shit to pros and expecting to be accommodated with the same respect these guys have had to build for almost a decade. Idra is Idra, he's gonna be a dick. Inc is Inc. They are who they are, and if they change to appease the whiners then the awesome rapport between the audience and pro players will have to change also. I hope they read this stupid posts and just say fuck all and keep doing SOTG the way it started. | ||
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JoeSchmoe
Canada2058 Posts
On June 30 2012 01:42 iNcontroL wrote: rabble rabble rabble ! ! ! ! I can't believe IdrA said stfu to someone! - WHO THE FUCK is shocked by this? SERIOUSLY. If IdrA doesn't like someone it has been shown, time in and time again that he will tell them exactly what he thinks. Avilo has EARNED his position in the community. 99% of the people bitching are looking in on something they have no clue about.. they see IdrA an etablished pro not being decent to Avilo a scumbag whiner who constantly attacks us every chance he can get.. it just so turns out nobody gives a damn because they were trained to ignore him by his constant balance whining. Oh my god, iNcontroL is a bully because he was snickering during the interview and he makes fun of avilo! -- HELLO, I fucking mock EVERYONE. That very show I teased khaldor and wolf. Is there anyone I haven't mocked or teased? Does that make me a bully? Only if you are insecure or uninformed I guess. I mock friends AND I mock shit heads. Avilo happens to be a shit head. He is a broken record on balance AND he is a broken record on his insecurity with who is talking about him.. if that makes me a bully FINE. I guess that is the case. I fucking tried to hand that kid an olive branch and promoted his stream but he turns around and goes ape shit in this very thread one week ago naming me over and over as someone who failed in WCS which meant he was better etc etc.. I don't give a fuck if you guys don't understand my teasing and mocking of him but if you don't care to TRY to understand then wtf? JP cut him off without letting him finish? Oh the horror! -- He was at that time incoherently babbling over IdrA about how he "agreed with greg" and kept twisting what greg was saying around as if it was a point in favor of terran. The argument was neither entertaining nor was it informative.. it was a guy hopping on the show after starting a shit storm the week before, first thing he asks about is me teasing him or taking "pot shots" and then he goes on to interrupt idra, take his words and twist them and speak over everyone else.. greg lost his cool and JP controlled that shit. Should he have barked over Avilo "thanks for coming on" and then hung up on him? I guess in some wierd internet way that would be less impolite.. ok. We called it. We said this was Mia Rose all over again. A terrible idea amidst an otherwise fine show. So that is on us. But I got to be honest with you: Fuck a lot of you. Fuck you forever. Get all up in arms about Avilo and start trashing IdrA, JP and myself. Asking for us to quit the show and leave SC2. This show isn't earning me or IdrA money. And lately, it has been really fucking annoying actually. We aren't allowed to make mistakes when we discuss shit. We have to give context for everything we say to be careful that some uppity 30 post prick who has been around for 6 months won't run off and try to create drama. This shit WILL blow over because at the end of the day there is no grabby sound bite.. there is no image of greg double birding the screen in a fit of rage. There is a bunch of insecure asshats interpreting things as bad as they possibly can with 0 context for why Avilo was spoken to that way. It just sickens me how completely tunnel visioned a lot of this community is.. you WANT to get people fired you WANT to make people break and snap.. great. Well enjoy your 2.3 days of drama. After this avilo will go on to shit on everyone he talks to that doesn't agree with him. He will continue to play the martyr for as long as the community will give him that attention. We are going to keep doing the show because most of you deserve it and we will continue to make the same kind of jokes and from time to time make mistakes by allowing people on the show that don't deserve it and bring out the worst in people. does your ass get jealous of the amount of shit that comes out of your mouth? hey everyone! none of this is a big deal! fuck a lot of you forever! this is hilarious coming from a guy who hounds TL forums flipping out like a 2 year old at everyone who criticizes him. User was warned for this post | ||
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FeUerFlieGe
United States1193 Posts
On June 30 2012 11:25 Ballack wrote: I find it quite interesting to look back at this reply along with the other prominent members of the community commenting on the issue. All of them, like Kennigit, JP, Nony and I'm sure there are others that either haven't commented yet or don't feel the need to. They distance themselves from the situation, they admit things went too far and that such behavior isn't really optimal or viable in the long term. All but you Geoff. Much of what I wrote is thoughts I sat with after watching Kennigit's vlog from today, I urge everyone to watch it! Your whole post is about justifying your behavior when there's really no reasonable way of justifying it. The context isn't really relevant as to your behavior. You among others on the show are acting like 15 year old jocks towards a guy but this time not around your gang but in front of 10k or so viewers. I find it acceptable of you to ridicule people by making counterarguments about what they say and laughing about what someone said. But to start making fun of someone for the way they speak shows your immaturity and totally ravages what "context" you had to lean against when justifying your actions. You acted on Inside the Game and on this SotG typically of what a bully in high school would, except for the fact that you are well over twenty years old. You ended up attacking/making fun of shit about him that's not in his control, and you should apologize for that. If you are so blind that you think the fact that he can be a whiny about balance and that he attacks you and EG sometimes would somehow justify you doing that then you are fucking wrong, and you need to grow up. The other part of your defense is that you treat others just the same way. So first you talk about context for why you teased Avilo, well what about the context here? This is where context actually holds any value, and you comparing what you did towards Avilo with the shit about Wolf and Khaldor is downright laughable, you seriously need to get a grip. Furthermore you show how little you understand about the situation, unless you are seriously identifying yourself as a bully, although I kind of doubt that. Next I will touch on what I believe is the essence of what I am talking about here. You are asking us to try to understand why you treated Avilo like a sack of shit. Well, you see Geoff, a guy of your status shouldn't treat ANYONE like a sack of shit in front of 10000 people. I remember you writing something along the lines of "you are not special, we (the hosts on SotG) are, we matter" when addressing haters. Well, yes, you are special, you are a prominent figure in the scene, perhaps it's time to start fucking acting like it. Oh and don't think you're irreplaceable and magnificent in it of yourself, you're not. If all I wrote in this post or the previous one doesn't affect you at all, then there is one thing I especially want you to reflect upon. What made you use Avilo's speech impairment as something to make fun of him over? You see this is where I can definitely say you are acting like a child, because no responsible person would just throw shit like that out to get a laugh, unless it is towards a person he/she knows can take it. Jon Stewart makes a lot of impressions, have you ever seen him do it towards a basically unknown person? In front of 10000 people you made fun of a guy of less prominence than yourself for his lisp, and that sir, was a douchey thing to do. Lastly I'd just like to say that I am a fan of yours. I think you're a great caster, you're funny and you're quite likable. I've followed you performances for over two years now and I want you to succeed as a player. This post isn't from a hater, but a fan. I want you to reflect on the way you acted and urge you to lose the behavior of a fifteen year old, you're a grown soon to be married man, act like it. Edit: I'm sure there a numerous typos in my post, but it's late...I'm gonna go sleep! What I think Geoff is trying to say is: People are making such a big deal about this. There really isn't a reason for making such a big deal! People are feeding off this shit, getting their daily drama fix! It's like those pointless reality TV shows or celebrity drama. People pick it apart because they have nothing better to do. Nothing fucking better to worry about or complain about in their life other than the fact that some well known people in this community got in a tiny heated argument that involved some personal attacks. You might as well start a shit storm when some random forum poster calls some other guy a faggot. He is by definition a fucking cyber bully, why aren't we grabbing the pitchforks to oust him? Do the people here have nothing better to discuss? This is the internet, and on here we are all vigilantes because we have that illusionary entitlement that lets us freely judge others based on the smallest minute actions they have takin! Here's the thing: You can blame whoever you want for this incident weather it be JP, IdrA, Incontrol, and/or Avilo, but please stop there. No more posting about it, no more repetitive arguing. These people aren't saints, they are young men who still have a lot to learn in their life. If you expect them to act like saints, then please stop posting because your expectations are going to tear good people down. While the Orb incident was a arguably a bit more extreme than this, I find it disturbing that some more people in this community could have been torn down if they weren't as respected as they were. After witnessing that, I know what vigilantes are capable of here. The eLynching needs to stop. Let the teams and sponsors tell their members and clients how to act in certain situations. And if the situation really calls for it, express your outrage! But to cry over spilt milk like this is silly. It is a sign of the vigilantism and immaturity in this community. Our communication medium (the Internet) definitely doesn't help us act our most mature, but we can look past that. Let's all move on. We (yes that's all of us, from professionals to forum lurkers) are a growing community, and we are going to make mistakes. Lets learn from them together rather than have complete anarchy. I have hope for foreign eSports, but we aren't going anywhere if we keep this up. | ||
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Wrathsc2
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Noobity
United States871 Posts
I don't know what else you guys could do, don't particularly care. I kinda wish you guys would like, film it not-live, put the vods up, and just not ever listen to/read the feedback. it's 99.9% ridiculous. I don't see how you guys chatting about stuff is any reason for the community to get up in arms, but they're going to. /shrug. I'd also like to say I think Geoff's justification post was warranted and realistic. He didn't use any racial slurs, and you guys are all acting the same way everyone did to Destiny and Orb "so unprofessional! you should be ashamed! call the sponsors!" seriously, this community makes me so incredibly angry sometimes. None of what he said is any different from how he normally handles himself, and we as a whole love that shit. Stop acting like this no-name player was in the right when at the very least he was as wrong as everyone else (I guess I should probably leave all the lgn chats I'm in now, ehh?) I think Destiny's views on what you can do with your criticisms and opinions fit pretty well here, community. | ||
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United States2704 Posts
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absalom86
Iceland1770 Posts
Not the greatest of moves by JP to drop him without a word said, just because of Idra fuming, since he does that pretty much everywhere / everytime. Avilo took the upper moral road, for the most part, and I'm guessing he isn't always so mild mannered in his interactions with Idra, because if that was not the case the reaction would be way out of place. JP should try to do better with his moderation of the discussion and show some respect to the people he invites on the show to discuss a topic, and the apology at the end was merited. | ||
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United States516 Posts
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Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
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Afghanistan412 Posts
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Dubz
United States242 Posts
On June 30 2012 12:54 Yoduh wrote: It is without question that we can all agree that Avilo is a saint and was without fault throughout this entire ordeal, nor is there any proven history of Avilo acting in any way other than an outstanding professional. This truly was a shock to the community, and no one could have foreseen this happening, not during the days leading up to the episode, certainly not during the episode itself. Often we forget the privilege we share in being able to come together on the world wide web, a bastion of respectful mature discussion, we who are banded together as brothers by the common interest we all share for video gaming culture, a community built on politeness and honorable gentlemanly competition. These pillars of our community that exemplify the virtues we hold most dear should be held to the highest degree of criticism and scrutiny for their sheer lack of disrespect and outright flagrant display of immorality. To witness men of young adult age behaving in this way should dishearten anyone with any sense of self decency. Shame on you SotG, shame on you. User was warned for this post | ||
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