EPT[Spoilers] Thoughts on the end and expansions? - Page 5
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Morayfire73
United States298 Posts
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alsowikk
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cerebralz
United States443 Posts
Plus we can assume that her infestation is not of the "normal"sort. If the Overmind was really grooming her to be the next zerg leader i find it hard to believe that her turning to the good side is a one-shot deal. | ||
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habermas
United Kingdom304 Posts
On July 31 2010 09:24 Morayfire73 wrote: Think this was briefly mentioned in this thread that there wasn't that much Duran, and i think someone else pointed this out but Dr. Narud is just Duran backwards. Yup, I believe Duran aka Dr. Narud aka The Fallen One is going to be the new bad guy. Also note that prince Valerian is the leader of the Möebius Foundation the same one that has released the dark entity at KL-2, which may or may not be the same as Duran and seems to be an eternal enemy of Xel'naga. Kerrigan had to turn human to allow more epic and badass enemies to take her place. At least I hope so. "Duran: "Magnificent isn't it?" Zeratul: "What? Who are you?" Duran: "I've had many names throughout the millennia, young prodigal. You would know me best as Samir Duran." Zeratul: "Kerrigan's consort! Is this part of her twisted schemes?" Duran: "No. Young Kerrigan could not have engineered this grand experiment. Although her rebirth into the Zerg Swarm has sped up my progress, I can assure you that this endeavor is quite beyond her narrow understanding." Zeratul: "If you are not her pawn, then what are you?" Duran: "I am a servant of a far greater power. A power that has slept for countless ages. And is reflected in the creature within that cell." Zeratul: "Have you any conception of what you've created here? Do you have any idea what this... this Hybrid is capable of?" Duran: "Of course I do. This creature is the completion of a cycle. Its role in the cosmic order was preordained when the stars were young. Behold the culmination of your history." Zeratul: "All I behold is an abomination." Duran: "Your violence, young prodigal, is typical. As is your inability to comprehend the greater scheme of things. You can destroy all of the specimens here. It will do you no good. For I have seeded the Hybrid on many, many worlds. You will never find them all before they awaken... And when they do... your universe will be changed... forever."" | ||
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Sleight
2471 Posts
Obviously the Xel'Naga will end up being defeated... like Blizzard is going to put out a game where you battle for 3 expansions and then the universe gets destroyed anyways. The end of BW was point A, now we are at point B, and the path to point E, where we whip the eternal baddies, is a long way off. I mean, go back to SC (not SC1, I hate that it gets retro-fitted a number). Who saw Kerrigan getting infested coming? BOOM. Headshot, what a twist. I mean, who ever imagined that you'd see her again and that she wasn't just a casualty of war? And BW? It was a double-cross fest and once the dust settled we found out that everyone was either getting killed, infested or trying to take over the world, cept Jim, BUT WAIT Duran isn't really infested, double you tee eff? Give the guys a little credit. They put us through the works the last time around, I am sure they have some awesome craziness yet to come. Also, discussing why Kerrigan was all sneaky last time and not this time? Remember how she was fighting was originally under the Overmind's control (kinda) and then fighting with cerebrates for control, and after all was said and done, she got total control at the end of BW, looked around, said "Fuck it, big air" and wiped out the UED, Sons of Korhal, and Protoss all at the same time. She is doing that now, how is that any different than before? | ||
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Sailence
United States15 Posts
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bnanaPEEL
Canada138 Posts
But I digress. I was really expecting Duran to pop out of the last Protoss vision mission and be all "THE CYCLE IS COMPLETE, UNIVERSE ECT." but no  Dr. Narud was just an old scientist with nothing going on for him. I was really eager to battle some hybrids other than that Maal guy but I guess they have to keep something at arms reach from us to sell the two last games. | ||
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Spyfire242
United States715 Posts
On July 30 2010 13:30 yrba1 wrote: It's not that we're angry because Kerrigan reversed her infestation but because it happened too soon without any more depth analysis on her devious side. If you look at it from a person's perspective who has alot of knowledge on the events of Brood War, she really was the evil "Queen Bitch of the Universe" who you'd hate to have any involvement with rather than some zombified fool gets PO'd over everything around her. And Mengsk, seriously, where has all of your charisma gone to? 4 years ago, you were the biggest Terran scumbag in the universe with only a few people who know it. I hated Kerrigan in broodwar, need overmind back. =( | ||
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iloahz
United States964 Posts
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Supamang
United States2298 Posts
On July 30 2010 21:58 sashkata wrote: Did people really expected Raynor to kill Kerrigan? I personally never saw human-Kerrigan and The Queen of Blades as the same person. Can you blame her for what she's done while infested? It's clear they are shifting the villain role to the Xel'naga (or whatever) and I'm fine with that, because I never saw the zerg as evil anyway. Its not necessarily that people expected Raynor to kill Kerrigan or that they werent able to see that Kerrigan was only doing these things because of the infestation. Its that it makes for an incredibly sappy ending if there is a miracle cure and a hero carrying his girl off into the sunset. They also forfeited a great opportunity for some character development by not letting Jim Raynor have to struggle between the choice of wishing there was a way to cure Kerrigan and realizing that she had to be put down to save the universe. When she became the "key" to stopping the hybrids, it was too much of a deus ex machina (at least for me) that allowed for the flowery ending. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
Moral of the story: Think with your head, not your dick. | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7031 Posts
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a11
Germany303 Posts
On August 01 2010 06:47 Ryuu314 wrote: I think that Blizzard has no qualms about giving us an unhappy ending, so ultimately, regardless of what happens in HotS, the universe is completely fucked because Raynor turned Kerrigan human again just to get some. Moral of the story: Think with your head, not your dick. First and foremost priority for her saving the universe seems to be she's alive. Maybe the Overmind's plan didn't work out perfectly or was just reliant on someone reverting her infestation in the first place; you wouldn't think the Queen of Blades was better at handling the situation at hand than a turned-human-again Sarah Kerrigan who still holds (or regains) control over the Swarm, anyways. On August 01 2010 06:33 iloahz wrote: so Tychus is dead right? who exactly did he make a deal with to kill kerrigan? Mengsk, apparently. Also, who is Dr. Narud? The leader of Moebius? | ||
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Eredia
Sweden47 Posts
On August 01 2010 07:15 a11 wrote: Also, who is Dr. Narud? The leader of Moebius? Yes he is the leader, while the prince own The Moebius Foundation. | ||
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I Hott Sauce I
United States91 Posts
On July 31 2010 09:24 Morayfire73 wrote: Think this was briefly mentioned in this thread that there wasn't that much Duran, and i think someone else pointed this out but Dr. Narud is just Duran backwards. O...M....G I didn't ever notice this this is crazy | ||
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beamerkun
Poland112 Posts
On August 01 2010 06:47 Ryuu314 wrote: I think that Blizzard has no qualms about giving us an unhappy ending, so ultimately, regardless of what happens in HotS, the universe is completely fucked because Raynor turned Kerrigan human again just to get some. Moral of the story: Think with your head, not your dick. Nah, she's still got some badass psionic power, that wasn't her zerg infestation result. | ||
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Phootaba
Sweden28 Posts
(Apart from Protoss being proud nutcases) They were bent on not letting kerrigan to the prophesies. Now why were kerrigan there to start with. I think that Kerrigan just as zeratul had a run in with Duran and his hybrid factory (due to looong time since I played BW I can't comment on the duran - mengsk part). Assuming this she would be as nervous as zeratul. Duran also told zeratul that there was alot of complexes around the galaxy. Being trapped in the korpulu sector, Kerrigan must have realised that the Protoss mystics would have thought of something by now. What beats me however is how she found out of the Prophesies since it seemed to be a quite long lost knowlage that they even existed. What bugs me though is why she would launch a devestating attack on the Dominion (She left the protoss be right) while she was searching for some protoss profecy. Why not attack the toss instead, though they lost Auir one can guess they're prone to live on a planet after all. To the ending part. I agree on those who think she's not magically good guy now (though she was magically turned into bad guy), the hair bugged me since it didn't seem fitting. If she was completly human again, why just make her bald. Moving on the the artifact. Once again something makes no sence here. All Toss are connected to the Khala (apart from the dark templars) or hunted to death. Why would the Tel Darim who guarded some gas be guarding all the artidfacts? Being a couple of thousands years old one would think they had figured out that the pieces fit togheter. I was suprised that the Mobious foundation(always think of the science vessel there) managed to gather enough info on the artifact specificly able to wipe out zerg? That could also be a rather important piece of the story, since Mr Dark voice wanted to bring darkness to all that (assuming sex) he brought light to(indicating he's alone?). He constructed an artifact specificly to kill zerg (base dna perhaps?) and reverse some infestation or two. Knowing the zerg would be the dominant race, did Mr Darkvoice write the prophecy? Fumbling a bit in the dark here, but i thought the zeratul story was that BW twist some are talking about! | ||
flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
Yeah, the story's kind of... sappish. It was very good overall, but like the movie Inception the people were motivated by... greed. Yeah, other than Cobb everybody in Inception did it for the money, and in WoL everybody does it for... the money. Like seriously, is there no better motivation? Retro-inserting a love story between Kerrigan and Raynor? I didn't see that coming. They met for all of like, three missions (though yeah that can be a long time), and he's thinking lovey-dovey stuff about her and she about him? And that becomes the primary motivating factor through SCII? Yeah, let's just forget bitchy Kerrigan of BW who had Jim swearing to kill her. That doesn't go through the four years to SCII? Alcohol gotcha there, Jimmy. 2D characters in general with zero to little plot development. Raynor is, as somebody already mentioned, a cardboard cutout of a hero, who spouts the same lines (even though they get me; I'm a sucker for dramatics) and inspires confidence in his dudes while at the same time spending all of his free time in the Cantina (I found it funny that it always led off with like "25/31/17/2 hours and 12 minutes later..." and then you find him sitting there. Sad about Tychus, and very confused at all the plot holes Blizzard left regarding him. Obvious 'traitor' (even though he didn't really betray Jimmy: the only person that viewed the crystal / talked to Zeratul was Raynor himself?) and obviously a lot of people wanted to kill Kerrigan. Still though, shame to have him dead since I liked him. All of your supporting cast? Horner: ...the rod up Matt Horner's butt has a rod up its own butt... ^Lololol so good. Regardless, Horner didn't change in any way. He was just like "Hi I'm here standing straight up and ready to execute orders. Once in a while I'll argue against some crazy shit but for the most part I'm going to do what I'm told." Swann is just around to be a mechanic, and nothing else, and to be honest I half expected Stetson to be an evil little kid. I mean he's growing Protoss and Zerg shit in the basement and is very excited when you bring him new stuff in a kind of... mad scientist way. Hanson either wants to fuck Jim or becomes a 98.3% Zerg creature in the duration of one short mission (would have been cooler to not have found her and have her pop up later randomly trashing some no-namer on the ship). The hybrids are so lulz. Fuck Maal, by the way. Dude destroys my Photon cannons so easily, but at least everything else was easily wiped out. Favorite mission was definitely the solo Zeratul one. Never have I ever felt more like a ninja. And the Char section? Seriously. Dues Ex Machina can go to hell. I also thought it would have been really cool had Warfield been infested after he got poisoned. It at least would have made the mission seem more harrowing and enjoyable. Regardless, I had fun while playing the campaign itself. It's just afterward when I sat down to think about it I began to find problems. I know some people are talking about how the original SC campaign had twists that spanned the three separate races, but even then each campaign was a story in itself. I could have lived with just the first Terran campaign from SC, and the Zerg part was kind of meh (transition), and just the Protoss. Hopefully Blizzard will develop in HotS. So glad I didn't buy this game and just played it as a "Guest" loooooooooool. 7 hours my ass, unlimited playtime for the win. And no, I don't give a damn about your achievements. | ||
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Kelorienne
United States50 Posts
What would you prefer? You got the artifacts along with half the dominion army,landed and engaged Kerrigan,only to cause her to run? I think those "stalemates" in which the story doesn't move are stupid. Look at the campaign by itself, don't worry about the next one. I'm sure blizzard knows exactly what they're doing. As for the development of the story itself, I thought it made sense. Why would one flagship even THINK about going after artifacts to destroy the zerg? Makes more sense that they got artifacts in order to get money to bring mensk down but then found out it can save Kerrigan and they were ONLY able to pull this off with dominion assistance even with the artifacts. Also, I'm sorry if you don't like happy endings or love stories but remember you're not the only person that bought this game. TL,DR: This was a great way to end the campaign, and if you plan to reply to this message make sure you read all of it to decrease the chances of saying something stupid and immature. | ||
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Spyfire242
United States715 Posts
On August 01 2010 09:16 Kelorienne wrote: I thought the ending was cute... What would you prefer? You got the artifacts along with half the dominion army,landed and engaged Kerrigan,only to cause her to run? I think those "stalemates" in which the story doesn't move are stupid. Look at the campaign by itself, don't worry about the next one. I'm sure blizzard knows exactly what they're doing. As for the development of the story itself, I thought it made sense. Why would one flagship even THINK about going after artifacts to destroy the zerg? Makes more sense that they got artifacts in order to get money to bring mensk down but then found out it can save Kerrigan and they were ONLY able to pull this off with dominion assistance even with the artifacts. Also, I'm sorry if you don't like happy endings or love stories but remember you're not the only person that bought this game. TL,DR: This was a great way to end the campaign, and if you plan to reply to this message make sure you read all of it to decrease the chances of saying something stupid and immature. I would have preferred Tychus shooting her in the face and saying something like. "Now time to chew bubblegum." But sadly Kerrigan is now the key to saving the universe, lame... | ||
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