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Also, keep in mind that the "hair" on Protoss is psionic tendrils, which are the source of psionic power; so the fact that Kerrigan maintains those may mean she still has some of her infested Psionic power.
I speculate kerrigan was in a similar state of mind to the overmind. In the Zeratul missions, tassadar speaks of the overmind as born with "reason, but not free will", controlled by an "overriding directive" to destroy the protoss. Kerrigan, in her encounter with zeratul, speaks about the coming of the Xel'Naga and her desire to meet oblivion in it. It is seems that she intended to fight both terran and protoss to pave the way for the arrival of the hybrids.
Now that she is human, that "overriding directive" seems gone, but, judging from her hair, she still is at least part-zerg. If so, this is going to be creepy. She might look human-ish now but she is still the de-facto leader of the swarm. Will raynors raiders hang out with zerglings in the cantina now?
Yeah, I agree with this. I think that, as long as she was Infested, she was affected to at least some extent by the directive implanted by the Dark Voice into the Zerg...so she couldn't have fulfilled the prophecy.
However, I don't think she'll be able to be the sole leader of the Zerg anymore; she's reduced in power significantly, and if she wants to save the Zerg, she's going to have to build up that power, and use it take over the Zerg piece by piece...before the Hybrids do so. Hence the touted "RPG" nature of this campaign.
Raynor will be with her, I think...but I greatly doubt that anyone besides him is going to accept her or be okay with helping her or even letting her live. Maybe Matt Horner...but even that's pushing it. Kerrigan's going to be pretty weak, and almost totally without allies.
Personally, I think the ending was a lot better than many people think. Once you think it over, it's actually really cool and REALLY interesting, with lots of potential for the future.
Execution could have been better, though.
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On August 03 2010 21:16 Sueco wrote:
I speculate kerrigan was in a similar state of mind to the overmind. In the Zeratul missions, tassadar speaks of the overmind as born with "reason, but not free will", controlled by an "overriding directive" to destroy the protoss. Kerrigan, in her encounter with zeratul, speaks about the coming of the Xel'Naga and her desire to meet oblivion in it. It is seems that she intended to fight both terran and protoss to pave the way for the arrival of the hybrids.
Now that she is human, that "overriding directive" seems gone, but, judging from her hair, she still is at least part-zerg. If so, this is going to be creepy. She might look human-ish now but she is still the de-facto leader of the swarm. Will raynors raiders hang out with zerglings in the cantina now?
Kerrigan had completely free will in BW, and there's absolutely nothing to explain the shift besides a terrible script. Technically, there's nothing saying you're wrong, but at the same time absolutely nothing says you're right.
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Kerrigan had completely free will in BW, and there's absolutely nothing to explain the shift besides a terrible script. Technically, there's nothing saying you're wrong, but at the same time absolutely nothing says you're right.
She has free will, yes, but she's still Infested...that is, she's still affected by her Zerg-y parts. She can do what she wants, but the desire to destroy or assimilate the Protoss and Terrans and take over is still strong within her nature...and it is this desire which was implanted in the Overmind originally by the Dark Voice.
So she's not controlled by anyone...but merely influenced, affected by the fact that she's a Zerg originally infested by the Overmind. Now that's no longer the case.
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On August 04 2010 04:57 Captain Peabody wrote:Also, keep in mind that the "hair" on Protoss is psionic tendrils, which are the source of psionic power; so the fact that Kerrigan maintains those may mean she still has some of her infested Psionic power. Show nested quote +I speculate kerrigan was in a similar state of mind to the overmind. In the Zeratul missions, tassadar speaks of the overmind as born with "reason, but not free will", controlled by an "overriding directive" to destroy the protoss. Kerrigan, in her encounter with zeratul, speaks about the coming of the Xel'Naga and her desire to meet oblivion in it. It is seems that she intended to fight both terran and protoss to pave the way for the arrival of the hybrids.
Now that she is human, that "overriding directive" seems gone, but, judging from her hair, she still is at least part-zerg. If so, this is going to be creepy. She might look human-ish now but she is still the de-facto leader of the swarm. Will raynors raiders hang out with zerglings in the cantina now? Yeah, I agree with this. I think that, as long as she was Infested, she was affected to at least some extent by the directive implanted by the Dark Voice into the Zerg...so she couldn't have fulfilled the prophecy. However, I don't think she'll be able to be the sole leader of the Zerg anymore; she's reduced in power significantly, and if she wants to save the Zerg, she's going to have to build up that power, and use it take over the Zerg piece by piece...before the Hybrids do so. Hence the touted "RPG" nature of this campaign. Raynor will be with her, I think...but I greatly doubt that anyone besides him is going to accept her or be okay with helping her or even letting her live. Maybe Matt Horner...but even that's pushing it. Kerrigan's going to be pretty weak, and almost totally without allies. Personally, I think the ending was a lot better than many people think. Once you think it over, it's actually really cool and REALLY interesting, with lots of potential for the future. Execution could have been better, though.
Agree,i cant wait to see what happens,when the protoss learn whats happened,now that they can actually approach her without her swarm,they wont let her atrocities go by the way side.....so it will be Raynor and Kerrigan against the whole universe.....the protoss,Mengst certainly wont sit idly by after this,but what will Valerian do is unpredictable......he might help them.....cant wait..
Execution,no freaking way in hell????!!!!........How could you  
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On August 04 2010 05:16 Captain Peabody wrote:Show nested quote +Kerrigan had completely free will in BW, and there's absolutely nothing to explain the shift besides a terrible script. Technically, there's nothing saying you're wrong, but at the same time absolutely nothing says you're right. She has free will, yes, but she's still Infested...that is, she's still affected by her Zerg-y parts. She can do what she wants, but the desire to destroy or assimilate the Protoss and Terrans and take over is still strong within her nature...and it is this desire which was implanted in the Overmind originally by the Dark Voice. So she's not controlled by anyone...but merely influenced, affected by the fact that she's a Zerg originally infested by the Overmind. Now that's no longer the case.
Actually, WoL specifically says that Kerrigan's creation was the Overmind's defiance because she was free of what controlled the Overmind. Furthermore, she's never had that desire to destroy/assimilate Protoss and Terrans. She had the drive to kill them because she wanted power.
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1) Raynor runs around the galaxy picking up new units and technologies.
Ends with a climactic battle where he cures Kerrigan with some device or another.
2) Kerrigan runs around the galaxy picking up new Zerg strains and evolutions.
Ends with a climactic battle between her and Mengsk
3) Zeratul runs around the galaxy picking up Protoss technology and uniting the Protoss tribes
Ends with a climactic battle with all three races united against the hybrids.
Somebody probably leaves a foreboding message before they disappear into space, or everybody blows up or something.
The end.
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It is my belief that kerrigan still has hair due to two reasons.
1) Hair cells and exoskeletons (shells) are dead cells, little different from the surrounding non living material, aka they would never revert back to human. The hair would have been formed from a zerg metabolism, causing it to grow from things that the zerg eat and process instead of humans. This would create the hair she has now.
2) The rest of her exoskeleton (most obviously the wings) would have been connected by living muscles and tendons that are not found in humans, when kerrigan reverted to human, these vanished and therefore the rest of the exoskeleton would have just fallen off, having nothing to attach to. If raynor looked around in the fog he would probably have found the wings.
Hair focales are human enough and therefore the hair still has an anchor point.
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On August 04 2010 07:08 bb33 wrote:
It is my belief that kerrigan still has hair due to two reasons.
1) Hair cells and exoskeletons (shells) are dead cells, little different from the surrounding non living material, aka they would never revert back to human. The hair would have been formed from a zerg metabolism, causing it to grow from things that the zerg eat and process instead of humans. This would create the hair she has now.
2) The rest of her exoskeleton (most obviously the wings) would have been connected by living muscles and tendons that are not found in humans, when kerrigan reverted to human, these vanished and therefore the rest of the exoskeleton would have just fallen off, having nothing to attach to. If raynor looked around in the fog he would probably have found the wings.
Hair focales are human enough and therefore the hair still has an anchor point.
Or the artists just wanted to make her look 'cured' and not completely cured. They probably figured the wings, the grey skin or the glowing eyes were probably not the best features to leave her with.
Does everything in fantasy story-telling really need a full-blown scientific explanation?
Most of the time its just an art thing, and then they make up some half-assed explanation afterwards.
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One possibility is that she's not completely human. After all, she does have the infested hair still. The only clues we have to her being human is Valerian's word, which isn't reliable, and the fact that Kerrigan says "Jim... Jim...", which also isn't reliable, as she knows Jim won't kill her if he thinks she's human.
Almost definitely she will still have some control over the zerg, and I agree with the large number of people who have postulated that she will be trying to build up her powers and forces via the "RPG" format blizz has alluded to in the past. I like the argument that the Protoss will be upset and attempt to kill her, and I suspect a lot of the beginning could be KvZ to gain control of rogue hives (like in BW) and KvP to escape extermination. I think later on you've got a great fight against the Dominion and likely the Tal'darim, who seem to be working for the Xel'naga (?).
I think it's pretty clear that the Mobieus Foundation are not good upstanding people as they seem to be behind a lot of the action in WoL. The Narud/Duran thing is just more evidence of that. I don't think Duran is the Fallen One because he says in BW that he is working for someone. It makes sense to me that the Fallen One is a banished Xel'naga.
Finally, I'm very interested in Valerion's role. Clearly, he's going to be important. I could see him as being a pseudo-ally against Arcturus. I think Valerion wants to succeed to the throne sooner rather than later, so he has an incentive to help out Jim. The question is whether Valerion is in on the Mobieus Foundation's ulterior motives. I could see him being betrayed by Duran, but I could also see him as a much more cunning and ruthless villain than Arcturus. I think Arcturus at this point in the story is a pretty washed up villain. Jim and Valerion did a number on him with Media Blitz and the fact that half the fleet is now destroyed. So, I don't expect he's going to be the main villain in HotS. I bet he'll be defeated rather early on (1/4 - 1/3rd through?).
All in all, there have been some really cool ideas presented in this thread! Hopefully, some of it will be true, but also hopefully Blizz can throw in some unexpected turn. We'll have to revisit this thread when HotS comes out.
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The ending really wasn't horrible at all. I mean, sure the depth of Kerrigan's development and change from QoB into human could've been better, and Tychus (one of the major characters) could have had a more satisfying end instead of just being shot off screen, but I think we're all just suffering from let-down syndrome. The campaign's game design was superb, and the ending wasn't bad, we just expected a lot more.
Nonetheless, I hope the expansion will take fan response into consideration and make the ending more epic.
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On August 04 2010 09:09 Aznleeman wrote:
The ending really wasn't horrible at all. I mean, sure the depth of Kerrigan's development and change from QoB into human could've been better, and Tychus (one of the major characters) could have had a more satisfying end instead of just being shot off screen, but I think we're all just suffering from let-down syndrome. The campaign's game design was superb, and the ending wasn't bad, we just expected a lot more.
Nonetheless, I hope the expansion will take fan response into consideration and make the ending more epic.
Well to me here's my thoughts on the ending...
Final 3 missions = omg epic. Just totally what the last 3 missions would be. I even liked the dialog on the final 3 missions (like Raynor's speech).
Kerrigan's transformation = I don't have a problem with how this was portrayed, but I don't like that it happened. I liked Kerrigan for what she had become and I don't want to see it just get wiped away. One of the coolest parts of SC/BW was getting to play the bad guys in addition to the good guys.
Tychus = A waste of time and space kinda. You knew his betrayal was coming all game (I knew it from the opening cinematic). To have it come in the last 1 minute seemed more like a formality than a good plot point.
Basically the only problem I have with the ending is what it means going forward (big evil hybrids must die, kerrigan is no longer a cool evil character, etc.) Taken alone the ending was incredibly epic and the assault on char is hands down one of the best sequences of missions in an RTS ever (I'd even call it the best outright).
Blizzard can easily win me back over. I'd really want the following though...
1. Something bad happens to Raynor and company at the start while still on Char. Like zerg have taken down the Dominion forces and everything goes to hell except that Kerrigan's control of swarm helps to save her.
2. The hybrid story arc comes to a conclusion in HotS and the Protoss campaign is about something else like a final confrontation with human-but-evil kerrigan or the Protoss' struggle to remain a race as a result of stuff that happens in HotS.
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I agree with Logo that it would be nice to see the hybrid/xel'naga arc end in HotS. A huge assumption that I've read everywhere people are discussing HotS and LotV is that it won't be until the end of LotV that all the current cliff hangers will be dealt with.
Certainly, there is time to finish the current story as well as add (and possibly finish) new developments. At the end of SC's campaign, mengsk was comfortably in power, leaving two big questions: how would the protoss survive with Aiur decimated, and what would Kerrigan do, free from the will of the overmind?
Well, in just one expansion, BW, Blizzard managed to answer more than just those two questions. In addition to finding out that the protoss escape to Shakuras and Kerrigan eventually becomes the most powerful force in the Koprulu sector, an entirely new factor, the UED, is introduced to dismantle Mengsk's seemingly entrenched rule.
With the addition of the UED, we are given a fully fleshed out story (with a beginning and an end) about new characters, Alexi and Stukov. Furthermore, Duran is introduced and there are hints of the hybrid arc, adding to the list of completely new developments from the original SC campaign.
Again, Blizzard did all this with just one expansion. It now has the space of two expansions to work with, which is roughly the time it took for Blizzard to introduce prince Arthas and tell the story of his spiral into insanity, then chronicle his ascension from death knight to Lich King. (Keep in mind, there were five additional campaigns to these two stories RoC and TFT.) The point being, maybe we should be expecting a lot more than just settling the scores with Mengsk and the Voice.
Now I realize that Wings of Liberty was far from the pace of SC and Brood War, but it's possible that Blizzard just wanted to set up a few key plot pieces (Kerrigan becomes human, Valerian is introduced, the prophecy/overmind vision is introduced) before letting the bullets fly in HotS and LotV. Wishful thinking perhaps, but still possible.
As a side note, a lot of people have been complaining that Valerian is Space Arthas and it's too obvious what all the characters will do. I think it might be pretty cool if just as the player has been given enough exposure to Valerian to begin to suspect he might have plans to usurp his father, Mengsk has him killed. I wouldn't even expect it.
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Could be,but its unlikely i think blizz had already thought the story of sc2 out,before they decided to split it into 3 campaigns.Instead of 1 campaign with the 3 races,they decided to expand the core events and the depth of the character motivations.Now since WOL is out and they have yet to start on the expansion,they may have decided to add events,instead of expanding on those planed ahead of schedule.After all the story of sc2 was in flux not long before the release so who knows?
I dont think Valerian will prove to be evil and manipulative,like Arthas...they just come from a diff place and have diff personalities.After all why would he emulate his father when he spent most of hos youth without him...
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I dont think Valerian will prove to be evil and manipulative,like Arthas...they just come from a diff place and have diff personalities.After all why would he emulate his father when he spent most of hos youth without him...
Because a frosty cursed Gauss Rifle tells him to do so!
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Haha turbo you troublemaker.
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i didn't like a lack of an explanation for why Kerrigan didn't expand after kicking everyone's ass in Brood War... after crippling your enemies, only a morally righteous person or a complete idiot would let them get away and grow stronger so they can threaten you later, she attacked the dominion and the Protoss right after brood war while she was in a tactically superior position... In brood war, Kerrigan was painted as very clever and a great strategist, in WoL she is painted as a moron...
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On August 04 2010 14:11 DocSnyder wrote:
I dont think Valerian will prove to be evil and manipulative,like Arthas...they just come from a diff place and have diff personalities.After all why would he emulate his father when he spent most of hos youth without him...
i bet you that at first Valerian appears good, and even Jim supports him and then once he's in power he becomes evil and corrupt like his father...
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On August 04 2010 09:09 Aznleeman wrote:
The ending really wasn't horrible at all. I mean, sure the depth of Kerrigan's development and change from QoB into human could've been better, and Tychus (one of the major characters) could have had a more satisfying end instead of just being shot off screen, but I think we're all just suffering from let-down syndrome. The campaign's game design was superb, and the ending wasn't bad, we just expected a lot more.
Nonetheless, I hope the expansion will take fan response into consideration and make the ending more epic.
i am not a huge avid gamer, but when i compare the story of sc2 to stories in books or movies that i like, it is complete and utter crap. it might be good by the standards of the gaming industry or more specifically the rts genre; but that doesn't lower my standards, if someone wants to entice me with a story, its going to have to meet my standards; sc2 did not. Do i look at games for good stories? no. did i expect sc2 would have a good story? no. but i didn't get sc2 for the story...
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Sorry if it's been said, don't have time to read every post,
Some of you seen to be annoyed with the fact Kerrigan had no back story in WoL, and she was just overthrown easily. For one of the biggest threats in the galaxy and a key figure in Starcraft lore it seems she deserved more, and i agree.
In HoTS, the events may not actually take place AFTER the events in WoL, we might be treated with what Kerrigan was doing or facing DURING the events in WoL. It would explain why we were never told much about her or her intentions, she obviously wanted the artifact for herself but i don't think it's stated why.
And then we have the Protoss campaign where it's only up to them to kill the hybrids directly after Raynor "saves" Kerrigan.
Just an idea, =)
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On July 28 2010 17:08 KingRajesh wrote:+ Show Spoiler +How about a RPG element where you try to build back up her control over the swarm, but with her human body?
That's what I'm hoping for. Sounds like a good plotline to me.
If she goes all Zerg / evil again or Blizzard kills her off, then the story writers will have a special place in hell reserved for them.
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