EPTOn August 01 2010 19:20 Ploppytheman wrote:
You do realize hair is dead cells right?
You do realize hair is dead cells right?
To me, they look like the psionic appendages the Protoss have.
[Spoilers] Thoughts on the end and expansions? - Page 7
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Barook
Germany143 Posts
To me, they look like the psionic appendages the Protoss have. | ||
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Adjudicator
United States44 Posts
On July 31 2010 00:31 iaguz wrote: + Show Spoiler + Things taht annoyed me about SC2 story: * Kerrigan back to human. It's too happy as an ending, Starcraft one always had bittersweet (at best) endings. Well, ok, unless you're the Zerg then your endings are made of win but when you consider they are evil marauding alien motherfuckers extroadinaire then I guess it counts as a sad ending (unless you want all the humans to get killed, you fucker). And what did we get? Some guy we KNEW was a traitor from the first fucking cutscene got murdered? That Mengsk is still Emperor, despite the fact the ending was clearly about NOT killing Kerrigan? The fact that the Zeratul missions were optional and had no input in how the ending went, despite the fact they were fucking awesome? * All the characters are 2 dimensional, which is frustrating. When I saw the original stuff for Jimmy, I thought "yay, we're gonna have a dark brooding jimmy, look how depressed he is! It's like Watchmen in space!" (hopefully). Instead we got a cardboard cutout hero, with shitty cliched lines to boot! Also contradictory. Kerrigan is a dull villain, Swann's moustache has more character then him (most epic mo since Capt Price, albeit), the rod up Matt Horner's butt has a rod up it's own butt, Prince Valerian looked like he wanted to channel Ozymandias but spluttered, and Warfield felt like token black dude. Tychus is entertaining, and is probably the best thoguht out character. Yeah, we know he's gonna be a traitor, but at least he was a fun one. Had all the game's best lines ("brother, that is the single greatest creation in mankind's history" is my personal favourite) and everything. Thumbs up for character, thumbs down for how they worked him in. - Numerous plot holes. So, Emperor Mengsk's plan to destroy Kerrigan is to: * ignore all the specialist commandoes he has, like the entire ghost/spectre academy. Fuck those guys, so useles. * ignore his massive Dominion fleet, that one he's been pouring shittons of money into, in favour of his other arch nemesis. * decide against trying to recreate the psi-disruptor, because that didn't completely buttfuck the Zerg last time. How hard could it be to make one of those with like 8 trillion well paid scientists at your back? Ok, so the plan is to use those Xel'Naga artifacts (wish they had a better name) instead. Fair enough. But instead of concentrating a massive effort to go get them, he just tries and get his other arch nemesis to do it. WHAT THE FUCK? HEY, I GOT A GREAT IDEA, I WANT SOME POTATOES FROM THE STORE. I'M GONNA GET MY BUDDY TIMMY THE SHITBAG TO GET THAT GUY I HATE TOMMY THE FUCKHOLE TO GET SOME POTATOES AND HOLD ONTO THEM FOR A WHILE, SO I CAN GET MY SON TO BEFRIEND TOMMY FUCKHOLE AND GRADUALLY STEER THEM ON THE PATH OF SOME SWEET POTATOE MASH. It's very stupid. I also think it's stupid that he has a constant feed from Tychus's suit and doesn't decide to: * stop him from piloting the Odin to wreck all his shit * stop Raynor from broadcasting damning evidence as to his corrupt nature, thus inciting massive rebellions all over. * track raynor and destroy him and take the artifacts from him. * and decides to not act surprised when anything like all that happens. t The other thing I didn't like is that a lot of the jokes are well, more stupid gags then well scripted humour. They're funny but they don't really fit the context, it's a bit too cartoonish for what we'd want from SC2! All that said, the presentation and execution was fucking outstanding, the level design is superb and the Zeratul missions are like the Chernobyl levels from MW1; unexpected, very different and completely fucking awesome. I love everything that you wrote in here. So true. <3 | ||
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sashkata
Bulgaria3241 Posts
On August 01 2010 19:11 Hats Hats Hats wrote: Well, my initial conclusion was that, since zerg have purity of essence but not form, the artifact will try to convert them and end up just killing them with the trauma of attempted rapid evolution. The same thing would probably happen to any protoss who got near the pulse. However, since terrans do not exemplify either purity of form (hero ghosts are an exception) or purity of essence, the artifact wouldn't consider them candidates and thus not affect them, much as it doesn't affect the rocks around it. To the xel'naga, humans are as low as rocks. =) hahaha ok, that's good. It's an interesting theory. It's probably going to be better than what they would come up with. I'm not entirely sold on Kerrigan being purity of form, but it's a minor thing. It would still be awesome. | ||
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IseeFish
United States45 Posts
http://samods.org/175 http://samods.org/node/195 I don't think it deserves its own thread so I'm putting it here. | ||
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sykur
Iceland21 Posts
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DanceDance
226 Posts
I finished the game earlier today. I really loved the ending. I was rooting for Raynor the entire game - up until the ending. What Raynor did to Tychus was completely wrong. He left him to rot in prison for many years. And Raynor should never have killed him. What we didn't see was where Raynor shot him, maybe Tychus is still alive? Still, I think Kerrigan should have died in place of Tychus. Kerrigan won her freedom but it came at a price. It came at the expense of the life of Tychus and many, many other humans who didn't deserve to die. | ||
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caewil
Singapore26 Posts
1. Mengsk is dumb because he is being mind-controlled by Duran. 2. Kerrigan is fail because she realized that being Queen Bitch is boring and without Duran her tactics just suck. At the end of BW, after Duran disappears, the final mission is all about brute strength. 3. I think Raynor did want to kill Kerrigan at the end - remember that sidearm (not his rifle) that he kept one bullet in. He was going to use it on either Kerrigan or Mengsk. But guess he wanted to kill the Queen of Blades, not some naked redhead. Plus dooming the universe as well. 4. Deinfesting Kerrigan was Duran's plan all along. Even though Tychus failed to kill her, her hold on the zerg has probably been severely weakened. 5. Pure speculation but if Duran is in charge of Mengsk then Raynor siding with Kerrigan is going to be exactly what he wants. EDIT: Given that Blizzard has taken input into the game from fans so far, maybe they'll do so for the next campaign? I really hope so. | ||
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SmoKim
Denmark10305 Posts
On August 01 2010 21:52 caewil wrote: 3. I think Raynor did want to kill Kerrigan at the end - remember that sidearm (not his rifle) that he kept one bullet in. He was going to use it on either Kerrigan or Mengsk. But guess he wanted to kill the Queen of Blades, not some naked redhead. Plus dooming the universe as well just wanted to quote you for this, even though i noticed the 1 bullet, i didn't think of that, nice spotted  | ||
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Adjudicator
United States44 Posts
On August 01 2010 16:47 Hats Hats Hats wrote: + Show Spoiler + Okay, since a lot of people seem to think that Raynor screwed over the universe with his shenanigans, I'll explain Blizzard's angle here. They want you to think that the galaxy is screwed because of what he does, but it's the complete opposite. Zeratul's prophecy is carefully worded to be interpreted incorrectly. Actually, + Show Spoiler + If Raynor had not used the artifact on Kerrigan, the universe would be screwed. Allow me to explain. This explanation also covers why Kerrigan's still got head tentacles. Zeratul knows "the xel'naga are returning," but he wonders if it's "to save...or to destroy?" We're supposed to assume that the latter is going to happen, but both of Zeratul's options are wrong. The xel'naga aren't going to return to save or destroy, they're going to save AND destroy. What do we know about the xel'naga? 1. They have cyclical lifespans whereby two species, one with purity of form, the other with purity of essence, fuse over millions of years to create a superspecies with both purity of form and purity of essence. (The novels confirm this) 2. They created the Protoss and Zerg as one of their many candidate 'successor' xel'naga; if the P and Z fuse, they might become xel'naga. Keyword 'might.' The xel'naga eventually reached the conclusion that the Protoss weren't good enough - this implies very heavily that xel'nagaization is a delicate and complex process that requires a good margin of luck. After all, the xel'naga created thousands, perhaps millions, of species. 3. Thus, the entire purpose of the xel'naga in this galaxy was to create a successor species. 4. The xel'naga considered the protoss to possess purity of form. Therefore, we know that their definition of 'purity of form' is 'kicks ass and has insane psychic powers' - basically, incredible individual power. 5. The xel'naga considered the zerg to possess purity of essence. Therefore, we know that their definition of 'purity of essence' is 'perfectly unified and endlessly adaptive' - basically, incredible communal power. The power of the individual turned to the purpose of the whole - that is a xel'naga. Knowing this, we can deduce the purpose of the xel'naga artifact. Why does it deinfest Kerrigan and blow up the zerg? Answer: it's not trying to do that. It's trying to fulfill the purpose of its creators. It's a tool that turns proto-xel'naga into xel'naga. The process is extremely draining; even the immortal Kerrigan is helpless, so mere minions like zerglings and shit just get blown up when the artifact tries to change 'em. Also, due to her immense psionic power, the artifact needs to reach full charge to penetrate her defenses and affect her. Why does Kerrigan qualify as a xel'naga candidate? Well, she used to kick ass and possessed incredible psychic powers (remember when she meets raynor she effortlessly reads his mind). She qualifies for purity of form. After she's infested, she obviously qualifies for purity of essence. However, because infestation is an imperfect process, her zerg side was way stronger than her terran side; her components aren't in harmony like the xel'naga's were. The artifact balances that out. It doesn't turn her into a terran - it turns her into a perfect fusion of an elite terran ghost and a zerg. A being with both purity of form and purity of essence. A xel'naga. With Kerrigan's apotheosis, the xel'naga have returned to this universe. Kerrigan is the galaxy's only hope because she is a xel'naga. Raynor didn't subvert the prophecy - he completed it. I skimmed through most of this, but I don't think most if anyone in here is arguing that turning Kerrigan into flesh is going to doom the Universe. In fact, if you read most posts, it's fairly clear we're complaining because this is so obvious, sappy, deus ex machina-like, etc, etc. | ||
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
On August 01 2010 21:56 SmoKim wrote: just wanted to quote you for this, even though i noticed the 1 bullet, i didn't think of that, nice spotted Funny how that in the end, the bullet was for + Show Spoiler + Tychus. =[ | ||
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Monsen
Germany2548 Posts
First of all (as most of you) I assume Kerrigan will still, at least partly, be in control of the swarm. Judging from the WoL campaign, her objectives will be keeping the prophecy from coming true and probably kicking Arcturus' ass for revenge. Concerning the Swarm itself, things might go in a different direction. In Zeratuls vision of the overminds thoughts, the overminds sees the Zerg as "slaves". Even though it's not made clear whose slaves the zerg are supposed to be, chances are that he means the zerg are enslaved by the Xel Naga via the prime directive to destroy/infest/assimilate (hi Borg) all life and the Protoss in particular. One can imagine that the Overmind intended to free his "people" from this (self-)destructive way of life that is enforced on them. However, since the Zerg are, as far as I can remember from Starcraft 1, actually small mindcontroling parasites, it sure will be interesting to see what kind of vision the Overmind (or Blizzard) has for the future of the Zerg "civilisation". | ||
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kmdarkmaster
France188 Posts
After the de-infestation of Kerrigan Duran sends his hybrids to enslave the Zergs, somehow a multalisk escapes and prays for the forgotten Multalisk god to help its people. The god, whom they called "the destroyer of worlds" in ancient time ,angered by Duran's act, decides to descend from the sky with 11 multalisks to save the Zerg. His 11 multalisks stack together and completely eradicate the Hybrids. He then himself leads the Zerg army to wave war against the Terran Dominion and the Hybrids. Duran quickly disappears with all the hybrids, leaving Mengsk alone to fend off the new Zerg threat. When the destroyer of worlds attacks Korhal, Mengsk's fleet is crushed to dusk. When all seems lost the Hyperion arrives and saves Mengsk because Valerian offered Raynor the blueprint of his secret project : "The Ultimate Weapon" in exchange for Mengsk's life. Raynor's force soon builds the Ultimate Weapon and with it fending off the destructive power of the Multalisk god, the universe becomes balanced again. (The Zerg cannot attack because the Ultimate Weapon builds 5631623264632514632536236646 missile turrets on each Terran core world) While the Terran and the Zerg fought each other, Duran opened a direct assault on Shakuras with his Hybrid army. The Protoss retreated to the Xel Naga temple and Zeratul used a sacred dagger to summon the Dark Templar God. Right in the moment the Hybrids entered the temple The God appeared with 12 corsairs and 12 dark templars and instantly killed Duran. He then proceeds to lead the Protoss to join the on-going battle between the Ultimate Weapon and the Destroyer of Worlds... Right here the game ends.... | ||
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SushiBoat
United States28 Posts
On August 01 2010 16:47 Hats Hats Hats wrote: Okay, since a lot of people seem to think that Raynor screwed over the universe with his shenanigans, I'll explain Blizzard's angle here. They want you to think that the galaxy is screwed because of what he does, but it's the complete opposite. Zeratul's prophecy is carefully worded to be interpreted incorrectly. Actually, + Show Spoiler + If Raynor had not used the artifact on Kerrigan, the universe would be screwed. Allow me to explain. This explanation also covers why Kerrigan's still got head tentacles. Zeratul knows "the xel'naga are returning," but he wonders if it's "to save...or to destroy?" We're supposed to assume that the latter is going to happen, but both of Zeratul's options are wrong. The xel'naga aren't going to return to save or destroy, they're going to save AND destroy. What do we know about the xel'naga? 1. They have cyclical lifespans whereby two species, one with purity of form, the other with purity of essence, fuse over millions of years to create a superspecies with both purity of form and purity of essence. (The novels confirm this) 2. They created the Protoss and Zerg as one of their many candidate 'successor' xel'naga; if the P and Z fuse, they might become xel'naga. Keyword 'might.' The xel'naga eventually reached the conclusion that the Protoss weren't good enough - this implies very heavily that xel'nagaization is a delicate and complex process that requires a good margin of luck. After all, the xel'naga created thousands, perhaps millions, of species. 3. Thus, the entire purpose of the xel'naga in this galaxy was to create a successor species. 4. The xel'naga considered the protoss to possess purity of form. Therefore, we know that their definition of 'purity of form' is 'kicks ass and has insane psychic powers' - basically, incredible individual power. 5. The xel'naga considered the zerg to possess purity of essence. Therefore, we know that their definition of 'purity of essence' is 'perfectly unified and endlessly adaptive' - basically, incredible communal power. The power of the individual turned to the purpose of the whole - that is a xel'naga. Knowing this, we can deduce the purpose of the xel'naga artifact. Why does it deinfest Kerrigan and blow up the zerg? Answer: it's not trying to do that. It's trying to fulfill the purpose of its creators. It's a tool that turns proto-xel'naga into xel'naga. The process is extremely draining; even the immortal Kerrigan is helpless, so mere minions like zerglings and shit just get blown up when the artifact tries to change 'em. Also, due to her immense psionic power, the artifact needs to reach full charge to penetrate her defenses and affect her. Why does Kerrigan qualify as a xel'naga candidate? Well, she used to kick ass and possessed incredible psychic powers (remember when she meets raynor she effortlessly reads his mind). She qualifies for purity of form. After she's infested, she obviously qualifies for purity of essence. However, because infestation is an imperfect process, her zerg side was way stronger than her terran side; her components aren't in harmony like the xel'naga's were. The artifact balances that out. It doesn't turn her into a terran - it turns her into a perfect fusion of an elite terran ghost and a zerg. A being with both purity of form and purity of essence. A xel'naga. With Kerrigan's apotheosis, the xel'naga have returned to this universe. Kerrigan is the galaxy's only hope because she is a xel'naga. Raynor didn't subvert the prophecy - he completed it. I don't see where you got the idea that we think raynor screwed up everything. He clearly did what he was supposed to do. Not kill kerrigan. I appreciate the effort in trying to explain the direction blizz has gone, but that doesn't make up for the fact that the first part could have been much more than it was. A 3 game campaign has to have a myriad of plot devices to keep the player interested. You can't just have the first part be dull, make no hints as to what might happen in the second game, and just promise the player that the next game will actually have a better plot. Blizz did not actually make this promise, but in your explanation you try to defend blizz for things that were never hinted at. Instead, they chose to include filler missions, which, in my mind, tells me that the writers didn't have anything to flesh out and that the plot is heading straight for nowhere. Edit: Of course, blizz still has the opportunity to do a 180 as WOL didn't really get that far in its own story to do any serious damage. | ||
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iloahz
United States964 Posts
Zaratul said Kerrigan must not die, not to be reversed back to human. So why did Raynor do that? Did he really do it just to get some? Who exactly did Tychus make a deal with to kill Kerrigan? Is Tychus dead? A few of the cinematics shots in the reveal trailer with Tychus, I don't think I've seen them again in any of the single player cinematics, such as the scene with Terran spaceship and the scene with mutas, are those scenes created just to appear in the sc2 announcement trailer? | ||
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Eredia
Sweden47 Posts
On August 02 2010 02:39 iloahz wrote: Some remaining questions I have regarding the single player. Zaratul said Kerrigan must not die, not to be reversed back to human. So why did Raynor do that? Did he really do it just to get some? Who exactly did Tychus make a deal with to kill Kerrigan? Is Tychus dead? A few of the cinematics shots in the reveal trailer with Tychus, I don't think I've seen them again in any of the single player cinematics, such as the scene with Terran spaceship and the scene with mutas, are those scenes created just to appear in the sc2 announcement trailer? The intro movie...aka "Hell, it's about time!" was changed for the release. And in it it's Mengsk talking to Tychus. You can clearly hear it's his voice. | ||
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Lexpar
1813 Posts
I'm hoping kerrigan is still evil. Except now without all that exoskeleton she can fit into that tight ghost suit. Mmmmmm. It'll suck if she turns good. Not interesting at all. Best and most iconic character in the series gone. The one part that pissed me off was the Tychus/Jim relationship. Particularily when Horner is like "yo boi Thycus got a kill switch" and Jim is like "word.". Even after their big fight Jim doesn't confront him. WTF? Thats not some geeky bullshit technicality, thats just retarded. Oh so theres a gun against his head? Someone is forcing him to do something? Cool beans lets go get some artifacts (duyuuuuumb name). And Tosh is trying to play it all cool like he didn't see the first cinematic "Jiiiimmmy someone on the ship is gonna betray youu, ohhgabooga, I don't know who cause I didn't see the opening cinematic". Retarded. Otherwise the story was cool, the opening half was slow, but overall it was decent. | ||
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Sailence
United States15 Posts
[B] 3. I think Raynor did want to kill Kerrigan at the end - remember that sidearm (not his rifle) that he kept one bullet in. He was going to use it on either Kerrigan or Mengsk. But guess he wanted to kill the Queen of Blades, not some naked redhead. Plus dooming the universe as well. I'm pretty sure that one bullet was for Mengsk since when Raynor boarded that dominion ship he found who he thought was Mengsk and pulled that pistol on him but it turned out to be his son. | ||
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KelLorien
5 Posts
I'm betting that the situation will be similar with Kerrigan. My prediction is that kerrigan's job in Heart of the Swarm will be to gain control over the rampant swarms of zerg around the galaxy, and most likely fight Mensk a lot along the way (he's probably going to try and control the swarms as well.) He will probably be the main enemy next expansion, since it is too early the be fighting head on with the hybrids. I liked the ending. It is a good departure from the normal "expensive victory"/straight up depressing endings Blizz seems to be a fan of. Also, obviously there are still 2 parts left, for all of you who can stand happiness  and another thing: For those of you asking why it only took half a fleet to take out char, it is obviously because of the artifact. This should go without saying. They only had to take out a relatively small number of zerg to get to the main hive cluster and then neutralized the rest with the artifact. Capturing the planet without that would have been infinitely more difficult. | ||
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Canada606 Posts
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Canada637 Posts
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