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I'm all happy for Jim but Kerrigan back to normal (good) and with the expansion coming I'm guessing she will be leading at least some of the zergs. Does that mean zerg is good now? :O I know zerg only follow their leader so they aren't really bad or good but they just don't strike me as someones who save lives and fights against the evil.
Oh well maybe it's just a ruse and she is still evil and betrays everyone like she did in bw, that would be really cool.
She was kinda lame compared to bw, so tamed and "oh I will kill you rar rar.." No real depth to her.
Tychus  Don't leave us. You were the best character in the whole game and they had to kill you Sad sad day.
The story is subpar at best. Hope they will do better in expansions BUT I still liked the sp. It had some great missions to it. Just too bad the story wasn't just as good.
It's always little sad seeing your beloved starcraft story going in direction you don't want it to go. This was little too happy for my taste (Happy for them, I'm still crying for the death of Tychus)
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Another point people seem to be overlooking.
This was 26 (29) missions. How long was each campaign in SC? About that long. Think about the development over a SINGLE campaign. I'd say they did a fair job.
SC Terran campaign:
@ Beginning: Jim is a hero, Mengsk is a dick, Kerrigan is cool.
@ Middle: Jim is a hero, Mengsk is a dick, Kerrigan is dead.
@ End, Jim is a hero, Mengsk is a dick, Kerrigan is Zerg.
It's not like we ever saw much development in anyone BESIDES Kerrigan.
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On August 01 2010 10:59 Sleight wrote:
Another point people seem to be overlooking.
This was 26 (29) missions. How long was each campaign in SC? About that long. Think about the development over a SINGLE campaign. I'd say they did a fair job.
SC Terran campaign:
@ Beginning: Jim is a hero, Mengsk is a dick, Kerrigan is cool.
@ Middle: Jim is a hero, Mengsk is a dick, Kerrigan is dead.
@ End, Jim is a hero, Mengsk is a dick, Kerrigan is Zerg.
It's not like we ever saw much development in anyone BESIDES Kerrigan.
You are so correct. Everyone seem to compare WoL to the entire SC + BW storyline. I guess Blizzard is to blame for being sneaky bastards wanting to score as much cash as possible. Dividing the game into multiple expansions.
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I think blizzard took a huge shit on the Starcraft plot in WoL because...
1. WTF is with all the side missions? everything but char, the artifacts and memories dose not effect the main plot at all.
2. WTF is with the hybrids. it seems like blizz pulled that out of their ass. there was non of that shit in SC1.
3. Plot holes. Plot holes. Plot holes. So Tychus was ordered to get the artifacts by Mengsk then meet with his son that betrayed his fathers orders. then he asked Jim not go after his girl... WTF! I'M SO CONFUSED.
I did think the missions were fun but the plot was just awful.
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On August 01 2010 15:07 Spaceninja wrote:
2. WTF is with the hybrids. it seems like blizz pulled that out of their ass. there was non of that shit in SC1.
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Did you actually play through the story of SC1? The hybrids were honestly what I was most excited to see in this game and the most curious about. I'm mad I have to sit around for the next game to learn about those bastards.
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On August 01 2010 07:41 beamerkun wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2010 06:47 Ryuu314 wrote:
I think that Blizzard has no qualms about giving us an unhappy ending, so ultimately, regardless of what happens in HotS, the universe is completely fucked because Raynor turned Kerrigan human again just to get some.
Moral of the story:
Think with your head, not your dick. Nah, she's still got some badass psionic power, that wasn't her zerg infestation result.
Fine, let me elaborate.
Kerrigan did originally have some nice psionic power, but her psionic power was originally pretty much equivalent to the power of the stronger ghosts and spectres in the game. Her becoming infested allowed her to tap in further into her power (along with the raiding of that one science vessel). But most importantly, her infestation allowed her to control the swarm, while, most importantly, being a independent being. She was able to control the swarm because of the whole hive mind thing that the Zerg has. Her being infested basically allowed her to be part of that hive mind.
However, when she was turned back human, she maintains her ghost powers, but I think that her control over the swarm would largely be lost as the cognitive and biological differences between Terran and Zerg may be too vast.
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I doubt anyone read my previous post in this thread but ill continue my short rant anyways. Had blizz not included any of that artifact bullshit, the story would have been 10x better. Just give Raynor a proper meeting with selendis and zeratul. Let the female doctor be someone important aboard the hyperion whose purpose is to pull raynor away from his thoughts on kerrigan. Make kerrigan mortal (why is she made out to be so powerful? this isn't warcraft, there are no godlike characters. kerrigan is deadly because she's cunning). Flesh out the inner struggle kerrigan has with what's left of her humanity (why is she gone for 4 years?) through conversations with raynor (in select missions). Have a mortal encounter between mengsk and kerrigan. Have raynor save kerrigan and bring her aboard the hyperion (the situation calls for it) against his better judgement. Continue in heart of the swarm. The meeting with selendis could have used a good pre-rendered cinematic as well. Shame shame shame. Lack of epic pre-rendered cinematics = fail. We've all seen the kerrigan vs zeratul cinematic.
Edit: Also wanted to add that raynor had good relations with the protoss in sc1. I was disappointed that we did not have any proper protoss allies and instead are forced to fight these fanatical protoss known as tal da reem.
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On August 01 2010 15:16 Prdors wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2010 15:07 Spaceninja wrote:
2. WTF is with the hybrids. it seems like blizz pulled that out of their ass. there was non of that shit in SC1.
. Did you actually play through the story of SC1? The hybrids were honestly what I was most excited to see in this game and the most curious about. I'm mad I have to sit around for the next game to learn about those bastards.
Ok i do remember a secret mission with dark archons and hybrids, and stuff about the zelnaga, but i still say WTF to the plot line.
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On August 01 2010 15:41 SushiBoat wrote:
I doubt anyone read my previous post in this thread but ill continue my short rant anyways. Had blizz not included any of that artifact bullshit, the story would have been 10x better. Just give Raynor a proper meeting with selendis and zeratul. Let the female doctor be someone important aboard the hyperion whose purpose is to pull raynor away from his thoughts on kerrigan. Make kerrigan mortal (why is she made out to be so powerful? this isn't warcraft, there are no godlike characters. kerrigan is deadly because she's cunning). Flesh out the inner struggle kerrigan has with what's left of her humanity (why is she gone for 4 years?) through conversations with raynor (in select missions). Have a mortal encounter between mengsk and kerrigan. Have raynor save kerrigan and bring her aboard the hyperion (the situation calls for it) against his better judgement. Continue in heart of the swarm. The meeting with selendis could have used a good pre-rendered cinematic as well. Shame shame shame. Lack of epic pre-rendered cinematics = fail. We've all seen the kerrigan vs zeratul cinematic.
you just blew my mind...
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Okay, since a lot of people seem to think that Raynor screwed over the universe with his shenanigans, I'll explain Blizzard's angle here. They want you to think that the galaxy is screwed because of what he does, but it's the complete opposite. Zeratul's prophecy is carefully worded to be interpreted incorrectly. Actually,
+ Show Spoiler +If Raynor had not used the artifact on Kerrigan, the universe would be screwed. Allow me to explain. This explanation also covers why Kerrigan's still got head tentacles.
Zeratul knows "the xel'naga are returning," but he wonders if it's "to save...or to destroy?" We're supposed to assume that the latter is going to happen, but both of Zeratul's options are wrong. The xel'naga aren't going to return to save or destroy, they're going to save AND destroy.
What do we know about the xel'naga?
1. They have cyclical lifespans whereby two species, one with purity of form, the other with purity of essence, fuse over millions of years to create a superspecies with both purity of form and purity of essence. (The novels confirm this)
2. They created the Protoss and Zerg as one of their many candidate 'successor' xel'naga; if the P and Z fuse, they might become xel'naga. Keyword 'might.' The xel'naga eventually reached the conclusion that the Protoss weren't good enough - this implies very heavily that xel'nagaization is a delicate and complex process that requires a good margin of luck. After all, the xel'naga created thousands, perhaps millions, of species.
3. Thus, the entire purpose of the xel'naga in this galaxy was to create a successor species.
4. The xel'naga considered the protoss to possess purity of form. Therefore, we know that their definition of 'purity of form' is 'kicks ass and has insane psychic powers' - basically, incredible individual power.
5. The xel'naga considered the zerg to possess purity of essence. Therefore, we know that their definition of 'purity of essence' is 'perfectly unified and endlessly adaptive' - basically, incredible communal power.
The power of the individual turned to the purpose of the whole - that is a xel'naga. Knowing this, we can deduce the purpose of the xel'naga artifact. Why does it deinfest Kerrigan and blow up the zerg? Answer: it's not trying to do that. It's trying to fulfill the purpose of its creators. It's a tool that turns proto-xel'naga into xel'naga. The process is extremely draining; even the immortal Kerrigan is helpless, so mere minions like zerglings and shit just get blown up when the artifact tries to change 'em. Also, due to her immense psionic power, the artifact needs to reach full charge to penetrate her defenses and affect her.
Why does Kerrigan qualify as a xel'naga candidate? Well, she used to kick ass and possessed incredible psychic powers (remember when she meets raynor she effortlessly reads his mind). She qualifies for purity of form. After she's infested, she obviously qualifies for purity of essence. However, because infestation is an imperfect process, her zerg side was way stronger than her terran side; her components aren't in harmony like the xel'naga's were. The artifact balances that out. It doesn't turn her into a terran - it turns her into a perfect fusion of an elite terran ghost and a zerg. A being with both purity of form and purity of essence. A xel'naga.
With Kerrigan's apotheosis, the xel'naga have returned to this universe. Kerrigan is the galaxy's only hope because she is a xel'naga. Raynor didn't subvert the prophecy - he completed it.
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most interested in what kerrigan is now. is she fully human again? or as the hair seems to suggest, a less diluted hybrid of zerg/human.
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On August 01 2010 16:47 Hats Hats Hats wrote:Okay, since a lot of people seem to think that Raynor screwed over the universe with his shenanigans, I'll explain Blizzard's angle here. They want you to think that the galaxy is screwed because of what he does, but it's the complete opposite. Zeratul's prophecy is carefully worded to be interpreted incorrectly. Actually, + Show Spoiler +If Raynor had not used the artifact on Kerrigan, the universe would be screwed. Allow me to explain. This explanation also covers why Kerrigan's still got head tentacles.
Zeratul knows "the xel'naga are returning," but he wonders if it's "to save...or to destroy?" We're supposed to assume that the latter is going to happen, but both of Zeratul's options are wrong. The xel'naga aren't going to return to save or destroy, they're going to save AND destroy.
What do we know about the xel'naga?
1. They have cyclical lifespans whereby two species, one with purity of form, the other with purity of essence, fuse over millions of years to create a superspecies with both purity of form and purity of essence. (The novels confirm this)
2. They created the Protoss and Zerg as one of their many candidate 'successor' xel'naga; if the P and Z fuse, they might become xel'naga. Keyword 'might.' The xel'naga eventually reached the conclusion that the Protoss weren't good enough - this implies very heavily that xel'nagaization is a delicate and complex process that requires a good margin of luck. After all, the xel'naga created thousands, perhaps millions, of species.
3. Thus, the entire purpose of the xel'naga in this galaxy was to create a successor species.
4. The xel'naga considered the protoss to possess purity of form. Therefore, we know that their definition of 'purity of form' is 'kicks ass and has insane psychic powers' - basically, incredible individual power.
5. The xel'naga considered the zerg to possess purity of essence. Therefore, we know that their definition of 'purity of essence' is 'perfectly unified and endlessly adaptive' - basically, incredible communal power.
The power of the individual turned to the purpose of the whole - that is a xel'naga. Knowing this, we can deduce the purpose of the xel'naga artifact. Why does it deinfest Kerrigan and blow up the zerg? Answer: it's not trying to do that. It's trying to fulfill the purpose of its creators. It's a tool that turns proto-xel'naga into xel'naga. The process is extremely draining; even the immortal Kerrigan is helpless, so mere minions like zerglings and shit just get blown up when the artifact tries to change 'em. Also, due to her immense psionic power, the artifact needs to reach full charge to penetrate her defenses and affect her.
Why does Kerrigan qualify as a xel'naga candidate? Well, she used to kick ass and possessed incredible psychic powers (remember when she meets raynor she effortlessly reads his mind). She qualifies for purity of form. After she's infested, she obviously qualifies for purity of essence. However, because infestation is an imperfect process, her zerg side was way stronger than her terran side; her components aren't in harmony like the xel'naga's were. The artifact balances that out. It doesn't turn her into a terran - it turns her into a perfect fusion of an elite terran ghost and a zerg. A being with both purity of form and purity of essence. A xel'naga.
With Kerrigan's apotheosis, the xel'naga have returned to this universe. Kerrigan is the galaxy's only hope because she is a xel'naga. Raynor didn't subvert the prophecy - he completed it.
mind == blown
Though I'm neither so sure Blizzard thought everything out that deep nor whether she really is a full Xel'Naga now. She would certainly be philosophically, but in the end, nothing entirely new seems to have been created (so speaking of her as the first "reborn" Xel'Naga is relatively weird), since she (probably) regained her old personality.
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Kerrigan, the once cunning "Queen Bitch of the Universe" went way out of character into an arrogant, get pissed off on everything around her kind of person. Her only excuse for that character transition is that she stayed low for 4 years after Brood War that it becomes a psychological effect on her not being able to express her cunning charisma towards the Terrans and the Protoss. So I guess Blizzard didn't really fuck up all the characters, personality-wise.
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On August 01 2010 16:47 Hats Hats Hats wrote:Okay, since a lot of people seem to think that Raynor screwed over the universe with his shenanigans, I'll explain Blizzard's angle here. They want you to think that the galaxy is screwed because of what he does, but it's the complete opposite. Zeratul's prophecy is carefully worded to be interpreted incorrectly. Actually, + Show Spoiler +If Raynor had not used the artifact on Kerrigan, the universe would be screwed. Allow me to explain. This explanation also covers why Kerrigan's still got head tentacles.
Zeratul knows "the xel'naga are returning," but he wonders if it's "to save...or to destroy?" We're supposed to assume that the latter is going to happen, but both of Zeratul's options are wrong. The xel'naga aren't going to return to save or destroy, they're going to save AND destroy.
What do we know about the xel'naga?
1. They have cyclical lifespans whereby two species, one with purity of form, the other with purity of essence, fuse over millions of years to create a superspecies with both purity of form and purity of essence. (The novels confirm this)
2. They created the Protoss and Zerg as one of their many candidate 'successor' xel'naga; if the P and Z fuse, they might become xel'naga. Keyword 'might.' The xel'naga eventually reached the conclusion that the Protoss weren't good enough - this implies very heavily that xel'nagaization is a delicate and complex process that requires a good margin of luck. After all, the xel'naga created thousands, perhaps millions, of species.
3. Thus, the entire purpose of the xel'naga in this galaxy was to create a successor species.
4. The xel'naga considered the protoss to possess purity of form. Therefore, we know that their definition of 'purity of form' is 'kicks ass and has insane psychic powers' - basically, incredible individual power.
5. The xel'naga considered the zerg to possess purity of essence. Therefore, we know that their definition of 'purity of essence' is 'perfectly unified and endlessly adaptive' - basically, incredible communal power.
The power of the individual turned to the purpose of the whole - that is a xel'naga. Knowing this, we can deduce the purpose of the xel'naga artifact. Why does it deinfest Kerrigan and blow up the zerg? Answer: it's not trying to do that. It's trying to fulfill the purpose of its creators. It's a tool that turns proto-xel'naga into xel'naga. The process is extremely draining; even the immortal Kerrigan is helpless, so mere minions like zerglings and shit just get blown up when the artifact tries to change 'em. Also, due to her immense psionic power, the artifact needs to reach full charge to penetrate her defenses and affect her.
Why does Kerrigan qualify as a xel'naga candidate? Well, she used to kick ass and possessed incredible psychic powers (remember when she meets raynor she effortlessly reads his mind). She qualifies for purity of form. After she's infested, she obviously qualifies for purity of essence. However, because infestation is an imperfect process, her zerg side was way stronger than her terran side; her components aren't in harmony like the xel'naga's were. The artifact balances that out. It doesn't turn her into a terran - it turns her into a perfect fusion of an elite terran ghost and a zerg. A being with both purity of form and purity of essence. A xel'naga.
With Kerrigan's apotheosis, the xel'naga have returned to this universe. Kerrigan is the galaxy's only hope because she is a xel'naga. Raynor didn't subvert the prophecy - he completed it.
I really liked that. Very interesting read  But why didn't the artifact blow up all the terrans?
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You are so correct. Everyone seem to compare WoL to the entire SC + BW storyline.
Not even close, more happens in the Terran BW 8 missions campaign than in SC2 29 missions.
A whole new "race" is introduced with UED, we get introduced to the Admiral, Stukov and Duran, we get find new things out about the Zerg aswell, we have big twist, betrayal and good ending, all in 8 missions mind you. Those are 3 rather important characters, high ranking characters.
In SC2 you get introduced to characters that really dont matter, Horner, Swann, Ariel none of them matter, infact they have no influence or power, they belong in a World of Starcraft MMO giving out random quests to kill 20 Hydras over in that cave.
Which explains the MMO esque side missions
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mind == blown
Though I'm neither so sure Blizzard thought everything out that deep nor whether she really is a full Xel'Naga now. She would certainly be philosophically, but in the end, nothing entirely new seems to have been created (so speaking of her as the first "reborn" Xel'Naga is relatively weird), since she (probably) regained her old personality.
Well, in the same way that a hybrid is not an infested protoss, Xel'Naga!Sarah is not an infested terran. You are very correct, though, the current Sarah Kerrigan is not all that special; she's as weak as a newborn. The analogy we can use is that an adult me is stronger than a newborn Jaedong, but when the Jaedong grows up it's gonna kick ass.
I imagine Blizzard will dance around the subject of her true species in Heart of the Swarm as she comes into the fullness of her power as a Xel'Naga. In this way, we as the player really do get into the heart of the prophecy without even knowing it: we first play Raynor, who must redeem her in order to trigger her Xel'Nagadom, and then Kerrigan herself, who has to become a being that embodies power like the Xel'Naga do, even though she doesn't realize what she is. She has the potential; now she has to bring it.
I really liked that. Very interesting read But why didn't the artifact blow up all the terrans?
Well, my initial conclusion was that, since zerg have purity of essence but not form, the artifact will try to convert them and end up just killing them with the trauma of attempted rapid evolution. The same thing would probably happen to any protoss who got near the pulse. However, since terrans do not exemplify either purity of form (hero ghosts are an exception) or purity of essence, the artifact wouldn't consider them candidates and thus not affect them, much as it doesn't affect the rocks around it. To the xel'naga, humans are as low as rocks. =)
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On July 28 2010 17:14 TheTuna wrote:Okay, I think we can dispense with the spoiler tags now.  Agreed! Tentacle hair is just weird on human kerrigan, and it's totally illogical since the rest of her body underwent an equally traumatic reversal. Another thing to note is that the secret mission strongly hints that Duran may be cooperating with Mengsk to create Hybrids; the mission, for those who haven't played it yet, is a facility raid on a dominion lab that's creating hybrids, much like Dark Origins. Afterwards, Horner points out that Mengsk couldn't possibly know how to do that...but who do we know that does? Hmmm.... So yeah, Duran in Heart of the Swarm for sure, I think.
You do realize hair is dead cells right?
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On August 01 2010 19:20 Ploppytheman wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2010 17:14 TheTuna wrote:Okay, I think we can dispense with the spoiler tags now. Agreed! Tentacle hair is just weird on human kerrigan, and it's totally illogical since the rest of her body underwent an equally traumatic reversal. Another thing to note is that the secret mission strongly hints that Duran may be cooperating with Mengsk to create Hybrids; the mission, for those who haven't played it yet, is a facility raid on a dominion lab that's creating hybrids, much like Dark Origins. Afterwards, Horner points out that Mengsk couldn't possibly know how to do that...but who do we know that does? Hmmm.... So yeah, Duran in Heart of the Swarm for sure, I think. You do realize hair is dead cells right?
Just throwing this out there, but maybe her hair isn't physiologically the same as Terran hair. =P
I'd guess that related to her ability to telepathically control the zerg, and she keeps them so that in HotS, she'll still be able to do some zergy goodness.
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so.. Ive been wondering!
How come no1 has ever discussed if Mengsk is actually Duran?
I mean.. He is to blame that Kerrigan got infested. Duran told Zeratul that kerrigan being infested had sped up his progress, and in sc2 u clearly see that the dominien have hybrids!
They have never been seen at the same time.. ever!
Besides, Acturus seems so damn sneaky, just like duran!
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Judging from Blizzard's... attempt at writing a half decent story for SCII, I'd take a guess and say that they are not possibly clever enough to come up with something as complex as what OP has stated.
Imo, Heart of Swarm is going to be fairly obvious: Kerrigan is now "normal" but is haunted by dreams/visions/etc of the future she has already seen and goes through a mental breakdown because she doesn't want to rule the Zerg but learns to love them somehow and uses them. Raynor possibly kidnapped, maybe gimped, but never enough to be out of action (for long) or dead.
Legacy of the Void: Surprise, Zeratul has been busy looking for technology his ancestors left behind (Colossus/Mothership, anyone?). Again. And he's finding it. Except it's more powerful/dangerous/mysterious than what he thought. Together with the other two races, they stand up against the hybrids. And save the Universe.
Because if you really think about it, even the Overmind is saving the universe nowadays. Yeah...
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