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Liquid`Drone
Norway28699 Posts
On April 22 2023 05:52 sharkie wrote: Subs out martinelli, keeps gabriel jesus in Reese nelson 84th minute I am so pissed at arteta,please get rid of.him You.. want to get rid.. of arteta? | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9707 Posts
I understand this actually. Back to battling for 6th place, at least you don't have the hope. | ||
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DropBear
Australia4371 Posts
On April 22 2023 14:07 Bacillus wrote: I still somehow like Poch as a manager, but Chelsea does seem pretty hostile to him. Apparently he's the favorite in betting odds still though, followed by Kompany and Mourinho. No way Mourinho is going back for round 3, surely. And why would Kompany go when he's now a premier league manager? It's not like he needs the money. Which decent manager would even want this job? Big American Real Estate man with his big ideas is going to be watching over your shoulder constantly and your first task is an enormous player fire sale. | ||
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justanothertownie
16320 Posts
Obviously sharkie would do a much better job than all those terrible managers like arteta or tuchel. Damn arteta holding Arsenal back so much. Without him they would have won the title years ago. | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On April 22 2023 14:07 Bacillus wrote: I still somehow like Poch as a manager, but Chelsea does seem pretty hostile to him. Apparently he's the favorite in betting odds still though, followed by Kompany and Mourinho. Yeah he is favourite now cuz Naglesmann said no and Enrique wasn't considered by the board lol, baffling. However lots of pushback from Chelsea fans will be loud and they should take note! | ||
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sharkie
Austria18481 Posts
On April 22 2023 18:19 justanothertownie wrote: Obviously sharkie would do a much better job than all those terrible managers like arteta or tuchel. Damn arteta holding Arsenal back so much. Without him they would have won the title years ago. I only criticize overrated players and managers... If you noticed I have been very consistent in my criticism of Arteta and didn't change my opinion when he had some good results. Same of Gabriel Jesus. I don't criticize other Arsenal players do I? | ||
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sharkie
Austria18481 Posts
Today's loss is obviously also not on Tuchel.. But yes, keep thinking I know nothing of the things I am speaking of | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28699 Posts
On April 22 2023 20:59 sharkie wrote: I only criticize overrated players and managers... If you noticed I have been very consistent in my criticism of Arteta and didn't change my opinion when he had some good results. Same of Gabriel Jesus. I don't criticize other Arsenal players do I? This is probably going to be arsenals best season since 2003/04, and certainly the best in 15 years. Having been consistent in your critique of that doesn't make you seem more reasonable. The problem yesterday was two players that have largely been solid, or great, gifted two goals in the first 15 minutes. That is not on the manager. The problem I have with your 'analysis' is that you blame managers for what they cannot control - and fail to give credit for what they do well. A manager is not to blame if a solid goalie makes an occasional howler. It also wasn't arteta's fault that saka missed a penalty before this round. If the team however has consistently poor approaches to big games, or if there's no improvement despite having time and resources at their disposal, or if players are subbed and the formation disintegrates, that kind of stuff you can pin on the manager. Arteta's Arsenal has outperformed expectations by a mile this season, even if they lose out on the trophy. They've played great football and it is obvious that his tactics - heavily guardiola inspired - are a key component of their success. If you want to replace him after this season I really don't know what to say, as far as I'm concerned he is the PL manager of the year, again, even if they end up second. As far as Tuchel goes, you're entitled to your opinion that he is overrated. I just think it's dumb to judge a manager based on how the team immediately performs after takeover, again, because the job of a manager is not one that yields immediate fruit. Next season is his responsibility, not this one. (Of course, he still has impact, but stuff takes time. ) | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On April 23 2023 00:42 sharkie wrote: Also Bayern just lost 3 - 1 against Mainz. If Dortmund win the game tonight they will be lead the Bundesliga table. Today's loss is obviously also not on Tuchel.. But yes, keep thinking I know nothing of the things I am speaking of Even a broken clock is right twice a day  | ||
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sharkie
Austria18481 Posts
On April 23 2023 01:57 Liquid`Drone wrote: This is probably going to be arsenals best season since 2003/04, and certainly the best in 15 years. Having been consistent in your critique of that doesn't make you seem more reasonable. The problem yesterday was two players that have largely been solid, or great, gifted two goals in the first 15 minutes. That is not on the manager. The problem I have with your 'analysis' is that you blame managers for what they cannot control - and fail to give credit for what they do well. A manager is not to blame if a solid goalie makes an occasional howler. It also wasn't arteta's fault that saka missed a penalty before this round. If the team however has consistently poor approaches to big games, or if there's no improvement despite having time and resources at their disposal, or if players are subbed and the formation disintegrates, that kind of stuff you can pin on the manager. Arteta's Arsenal has outperformed expectations by a mile this season, even if they lose out on the trophy. They've played great football and it is obvious that his tactics - heavily guardiola inspired - are a key component of their success. If you want to replace him after this season I really don't know what to say, as far as I'm concerned he is the PL manager of the year, again, even if they end up second. As far as Tuchel goes, you're entitled to your opinion that he is overrated. I just think it's dumb to judge a manager based on how the team immediately performs after takeover, again, because the job of a manager is not one that yields immediate fruit. Next season is his responsibility, not this one. (Of course, he still has impact, but stuff takes time. ) If a manager is not to be blamed if a team concedes 7 goals in 3 games then who is? So managers are only to be responsible if a team performs well? I didnt give Arteta the fault for the howler did I? I can blame him for fielding Viera. I gave Arteta fault for keeping an overrated striker (Jesus) on the field for the whole game. I gave him fault for not fielding Reese Nelson earlier. If that are not managerial decisions what are they then? Arsenal have played the same kind of football under Arsene, even Emery just with way worse players. Arteta is profiting from finally buying good players and good scouting. The young players are maturing, thats why Arsenal is better now than 1-2 years ago. The team still has the same weaknesses when something is going wrong - they are just scoring way more goals now | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28699 Posts
Like Barcelona in the CL this season. They conceded 12 goals in 6 games and were knocked out from the group stage. 5 vs Bayern, 4 vs Inter, and 3 vs Victoria Plzen. The same Barcelona has conceded 9 goals over 29 games in La Liga - they're en route to have literally the lowest conceded goals/game of any team in the top 5 leagues for the past 50+ years. Anyway, it seems like Arsenal, defensively, is hurting a lot from losing Saliba. He played the first 27 games, Arsenal conceded 25 goals total in those. Then he got injured, and suddenly, 9 conceded in 5 games after he's out. Arsenal, not having the budget of City and without sufficient cover all over, can't deal with injuries on key players the way City can. This isn't necessarily something the manager has 0 control over, but it's also an undeniable fact that a) some key players are hard to replace, for all teams, and b) that less wealthy teams are more vulnerable. But pinning Saliba's injury on Arteta is probably a stretch (although hey, I can't say for sure whether he forced him to play when slightly injured or whatever, I guess). Injuries on Ødegaard or Saka would hurt them too, much like City is also a worse team whenever KDB is injured or out of shape. I disagree with you on Jesus, but that's fair. He has 14 goals/assists in 1591 minutes of play time, which isn't a fantastic figure, but it's certainly not bad. It's identical to Saka and slightly better than Martinelli, anyway. Maybe he backtracks slightly less though. As for your last paragraph, that Arteta bought young players and molded them into a system and then when they mature well and fit into his system and are doing great, that's basically exactly what I'm saying with 'a manager needs time before you can judge their effort' - chances are very good that if you swapped Arteta with some other manager before this season and that manager had other opinions on how to play football, those youngsters would not be thriving the way they are. This is something Arteta 100% deserves credit for, and part of why he's such a success. But yes, they still have issues, and that their star players seem to be buckling under the pressure, Saka vs West Ham and Ødegaard vs Southampton, can perhaps be attributed to them being young and relatively inexperienced. Still though, the only reason why there is that pressure to succumb to, is that they've had an absolutely fantastic season. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
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LennX
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DropBear
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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gTank
Austria2584 Posts
On April 23 2023 22:28 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Isn't Amazon following Tottenham this season for their yearly sports docu? This looks like they play for a highlight reel :D or the bloopers. | ||
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