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Liquid`Drone
Norway28674 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
What the play should be, is if Robertson really annoying him, tell the ref and get him booked, not elbow him in the head! | ||
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sharkie
Austria18418 Posts
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DropBear
Australia4359 Posts
On April 10 2023 21:29 Acrofales wrote: That might work too. I thought PL referees would be millionaires like the players they have to babysit, but turns out that a PL referees makes around 70k a year (between salary and game commissions). It's not a bad wage, but considering half the players make more than that in a single game, it's worth considering redistributing a bit more of the TV money to the referees rather than the clubs... Shit is that all they make? No wonder noone wants to do it. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany6934 Posts
If VAR was at least decent, they could make all the decisions there and use the ref only as middleman. That way they wouldn't have to take as much shit from players and media | ||
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Melliflue
United Kingdom1389 Posts
On April 10 2023 20:49 evilfatsh1t wrote: ....thats not even close to being the same thing. the far more practical and realistic approach is to just improve the financial package of being a referee. the idea that referees could and should be shielded from all criticism is a pipe dream. its better to just make it worth their while rather than advocating for something thats never going to happen. I don't want to stop all criticism of officials. I want to stop the abuse from players and managers. Every game the referee will be surrounded by players. Most games sombody will touch the referee to stop them walking or turning away. In other sports you can get immediately sent off for (intentionally) touching an official. Football accepts intimidation of officials. And I do think Salah missing a penalty is the same thing. His penalty wasn't saved, he missed. That was sheer incompetence, and it had an impact on that match and possibly the whole title race. We expect the officials to be perfect but accept that players are only human. We very rarely give officials credit when they do well but they receive an incredible amount of abuse when they make mistakes (and often receive abuse from players and managers when making a correct decision). Finally, the players (and managers) make it very hard for the referees to do their job. Arsenal players were exaggerating injuries throughout the first half against Liverpool. (A player went down early in the second half but the ref let play go on until the ball went out, when the ref spoke to Odegaard, and miraculously Arsenal players stayed healthy afterwards.) When Liverpool were awarded a penalty, 5 Arsenal players surrounded the referee. More generally, strikers are running in weird directions and throwing their legs out so there will be contact, when they will fall to ground and hope for a penalty (I'd put Jota's penalty in this category, he wasn't trying to play the ball he was playing for a penalty). Players also throw themselves to ground exaggerating an injury hoping an opponent will be sent off (eg Kane). Players make life difficult for officials. I want to make life better for them. Then maybe we get more people wanting to be a referee and therefore we get better officiating. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18418 Posts
But managers should be able to criticize mistakes from refs after a match. If they were wrong -> punishment to managers. If they were right with their criticism refs need to explain how that mistake happened and why VAR didnt help. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
On April 11 2023 16:48 Harris1st wrote: lol PL is such a shitshow with Refs and VAR. If VAR was at least decent, they could make all the decisions there and use the ref only as middleman. That way they wouldn't have to take as much shit from players and media That is how i thought it was going to work, make the decisions on tv and the guys in middle just helps out. | ||
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MJG
United Kingdom1104 Posts
Robertson should be banned for several games for touching an official. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany6934 Posts
NBA: 250.000 $ - 550.000 $ / year https://boardroom.tv/how-much-nba-refs-paid/ NHL: 165.000 $ - 360.000 $ / year https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/sharks/how-much-are-referees-nhl-paid Also check out rules 39 & 40 in the nhl rulebook | ||
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sharkie
Austria18418 Posts
I am only asking because they have the same net worth | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
https://www.premierleague.com/stats/player-comparison?player0Id=32989&player0isActive=1&player0compSeasonId=418&player1Id=14805&player1isActive=1&player1compSeasonId=418 | ||
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sharkie
Austria18418 Posts
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gTank
Austria2569 Posts
On April 11 2023 16:56 Melliflue wrote: I don't want to stop all criticism of officials. I want to stop the abuse from players and managers. Every game the referee will be surrounded by players. Most games sombody will touch the referee to stop them walking or turning away. In other sports you can get immediately sent off for (intentionally) touching an official. Football accepts intimidation of officials. And I do think Salah missing a penalty is the same thing. His penalty wasn't saved, he missed. That was sheer incompetence, and it had an impact on that match and possibly the whole title race. We expect the officials to be perfect but accept that players are only human. We very rarely give officials credit when they do well but they receive an incredible amount of abuse when they make mistakes (and often receive abuse from players and managers when making a correct decision). Finally, the players (and managers) make it very hard for the referees to do their job. Arsenal players were exaggerating injuries throughout the first half against Liverpool. (A player went down early in the second half but the ref let play go on until the ball went out, when the ref spoke to Odegaard, and miraculously Arsenal players stayed healthy afterwards.) When Liverpool were awarded a penalty, 5 Arsenal players surrounded the referee. More generally, strikers are running in weird directions and throwing their legs out so there will be contact, when they will fall to ground and hope for a penalty (I'd put Jota's penalty in this category, he wasn't trying to play the ball he was playing for a penalty). Players also throw themselves to ground exaggerating an injury hoping an opponent will be sent off (eg Kane). Players make life difficult for officials. I want to make life better for them. Then maybe we get more people wanting to be a referee and therefore we get better officiating. This is such a great post! We should stop blaming refs for mistakes that managers and especially players force. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
On April 12 2023 00:14 sharkie wrote: Saka has done it for several seasons now... 20/21 5goals 3assists 21/22 11goals 7assists 22/23 12goals 10assists and counting Foden 20/21 9goals 5assists 21/22 9goals 5assists 22/23 9goals 4assists But foden plays less, he manages 28 games a season lol. But i mean to the point Saka has not "done it" for several seasons now, he is on 2 in a row at best. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18418 Posts
On April 12 2023 01:03 Pandemona wrote: 20/21 5goals 3assists 21/22 11goals 7assists 22/23 12goals 10assists and counting Foden 20/21 9goals 5assists 21/22 9goals 5assists 22/23 9goals 4assists But foden plays less, he manages 28 games a season lol. But i mean to the point Saka has not "done it" for several seasons now, he is on 2 in a row at best. He is a year younger than Foden... has played more games than foden for club and country Has better stats than foden, attacking and defensive plays in a much worse team than foden Is more of a leader than foden Is a much nicer bloke than foden Oh but hes black! Sorry, the most inportant trait in England | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28674 Posts
I think they're close enough where stating that one is clearly better than the other is pretty silly. Both are top PL players, but Foden has tougher competition. | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28674 Posts
On April 12 2023 01:12 sharkie wrote: He is a year younger than Foden... has played more games than foden for club and country Has better stats than foden, attacking and defensive plays in a much worse team than foden Is more of a leader than foden Is a much nicer bloke than foden Oh but hes black! Sorry, the most inportant trait in England Being 21 vs 22 isn't really a big deal. Played more games for club is pretty obviously related to playing for a less stacked team (Saka would have fewer minutes played if he was a City player and that's a fact), I don't see where his stats are much better but tbh I haven't looked in depth at those - but it doesn't hold true for goals/assist anyway, City has more squad depth but saying the team that leads after 30 games played is 'much worse' is just plain silly, I like Saka a lot but have no idea if he's actually any nicer than Foden is and I haven't seen much in terms of leadership from either. And then your final line is just what? | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9660 Posts
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Melliflue
United Kingdom1389 Posts
On April 12 2023 00:07 sharkie wrote: Is there anyone here who believes foden is better than saka? I am only asking because they have the same net worth Are you talking about transfermarkt? I believe they take into account how long the player is under contract, and Saka's contract expires next year but Foden is under contract until 2027. Knowing you could potentially get Saka for free at the end of next season will decrease his transfer value. | ||
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