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Norway28736 Posts
I think lack of continuity and consistency is a big problem for a lot of teams. Poch had 2-3 poor months at the start of a season - following like 5 years of fairly consistent improvement, making Tottenham go from an upper-mid tier team to a team reaching CL finals and getting top 4 consistently.
Then he leaves, and they're back to being an upper-mid tier team.
Someone who achieved what he achieved for Tottenham over 5 seasons shouldn't get sacked after like.. 13 mediocre games. I can kinda get it when someone takes over a team and they end up being poor from the get-go, but every single manager for every single team encounters bad periods. City had 14 points after 10 games last season, Liverpool lost like 6-7 home games in a row.
I mean, I'm generally of the opinion that teams are far too quick to fire managers over poor spells, but Poch is one of the most egregious examples I can think of. This type of mentality would've had Alex Ferguson get sacked from Manchester United in 1990 (almost happened!). 
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On November 02 2021 04:46 sharkie wrote:
Money talks
True but what "money" do Spurs have? They are in huge debt from stadium and can't really buy much i thought? Offering big bucks contract for conte (which is rumoured to be 18 months lol??) is going to mean nothing if he hasn't got like 100 million to spend.
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On November 02 2021 06:23 Liquid`Drone wrote:I think lack of continuity and consistency is a big problem for a lot of teams. Poch had 2-3 poor months at the start of a season - following like 5 years of fairly consistent improvement, making Tottenham go from an upper-mid tier team to a team reaching CL finals and getting top 4 consistently. Then he leaves, and they're back to being an upper-mid tier team. Someone who achieved what he achieved for Tottenham over 5 seasons shouldn't get sacked after like.. 13 mediocre games. I can kinda get it when someone takes over a team and they end up being poor from the get-go, but every single manager for every single team encounters bad periods. City had 14 points after 10 games last season, Liverpool lost like 6-7 home games in a row. I mean, I'm generally of the opinion that teams are far too quick to fire managers over poor spells, but Poch is one of the most egregious examples I can think of. This type of mentality would've had Alex Ferguson get sacked from Manchester United in 1990 (almost happened!).
pretty much nailed it. if theres a track record of success then you gotta give the manager some slack even through bad periods. even if tottenham ended up tanking that whole season with poch, a new season with a new window under poch would still have been better than whats happened since.
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On November 01 2021 20:03 evilfatsh1t wrote:
man you have to feel sorry for nuno. decent position in the league whilst having to play a kane that is completely disinterested and still he gets sacked after 9 games.
tottenham fans are deluded to think that they are the kind of club that have the luxury of sacking managers based on the brand of football. levy is even more deluded to think that tottenham is a top 4 contender. nuno has currently got tottenham exactly where they are supposed to be
Huh? It was such an obvious sacking, they were playing extremely poor football and were the bottom 3 in attacking stats. 0 shots on target vs Man U and 1 shot on target vs West Ham. They have played crap football for the past 2 months and the writing was on the wall. Kane is not his fault but better sack him now and not waste time.
https://twitter.com/thespursweb/status/1454481553208324100?s=21
Bottom 3 for goals, chances created, shots and xG. How do you not get sacked for this?
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On November 02 2021 06:29 Pandemona wrote:True but what "money" do Spurs have? They are in huge debt from stadium and can't really buy much i thought? Offering big bucks contract for conte (which is rumoured to be 18 months lol??) is going to mean nothing if he hasn't got like 100 million to spend.
You can always find more money if you have to. Just look at barca!
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On November 02 2021 12:00 Dante08 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2021 20:03 evilfatsh1t wrote:
man you have to feel sorry for nuno. decent position in the league whilst having to play a kane that is completely disinterested and still he gets sacked after 9 games.
tottenham fans are deluded to think that they are the kind of club that have the luxury of sacking managers based on the brand of football. levy is even more deluded to think that tottenham is a top 4 contender. nuno has currently got tottenham exactly where they are supposed to be Huh? It was such an obvious sacking, they were playing extremely poor football and were the bottom 3 in attacking stats. 0 shots on target vs Man U and 1 shot on target vs West Ham. They have played crap football for the past 2 months and the writing was on the wall. Kane is not his fault but better sack him now and not waste time. https://twitter.com/thespursweb/status/1454481553208324100?s=21Bottom 3 for goals, chances created, shots and xG. How do you not get sacked for this?
because he was only 10 games in with a team that relies almost completely on son and kane to create and finish chances and their top player is in the worst form of his life? its too early to say that they are out of the europa league spots and levy is deluded if he thinks tottenham is going to get top 4 no matter who he brings in.
besides the most obvious thing here is that levy brought nuno in completely expecting nuno to be a temp and replace him should someone become available, which is why conte is being announced. levy is a snake, his actions are disrespectful and again, hes just deluded as fuck.
also to the point about tottenham playing poor football. aside from kane being shit right now, tottenhams whole squad is shit. thats just a fact lol. i would have waited to judge how nuno's side does when kane returns to form. i absolutely expect conte to play his traditional style of football (which is closer to nuno than poch), get mediocre results, say he needs better players in upcoming transfer windows, not get anyone, then get sacked.
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Northern Ireland26225 Posts
On November 02 2021 06:23 Liquid`Drone wrote:I think lack of continuity and consistency is a big problem for a lot of teams. Poch had 2-3 poor months at the start of a season - following like 5 years of fairly consistent improvement, making Tottenham go from an upper-mid tier team to a team reaching CL finals and getting top 4 consistently. Then he leaves, and they're back to being an upper-mid tier team. Someone who achieved what he achieved for Tottenham over 5 seasons shouldn't get sacked after like.. 13 mediocre games. I can kinda get it when someone takes over a team and they end up being poor from the get-go, but every single manager for every single team encounters bad periods. City had 14 points after 10 games last season, Liverpool lost like 6-7 home games in a row. I mean, I'm generally of the opinion that teams are far too quick to fire managers over poor spells, but Poch is one of the most egregious examples I can think of. This type of mentality would've had Alex Ferguson get sacked from Manchester United in 1990 (almost happened!).
The sacking itself wasn’t the issue, it was not backing him at the cusp of really establishing Tottenham as a fixture at the top of the English game.
Poch from what I understand didn’t just want a million players, he also wanted to shift players out just to refresh the group, but Levy wanted to hold on to as assets.
I think it’s possible that Poch and that group of players were just burned out from trying to replicate their achievements and that wasn’t going to turn around.
It’s a classic case of a boss creating conditions that are borderline impossible and then the underling having to carry the can.
I’d be interested to see what Conte can do if he comes in. It’s been a rather long time since he operated outside of a league title challenge context and it seemed like he was only interested in jobs in that category.
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The worst thing that happened to Spurs was that they reached the CL final. They had overachieved like crazy that season and made Spurs delusional of their potential
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Northern Ireland26225 Posts
On November 02 2021 21:00 sharkie wrote:
The worst thing that happened to Spurs was that they reached the CL final. They had overachieved like crazy that season and made Spurs delusional of their potential
I’m not sure about that. Moderately overachieved perhaps, little rub of the green with luck in their CL run but they weren’t hugely playing above their ceiling or anything.
The potential was clearly there, they just completely squandered it. Either with spending money even half-sensibly, or failing spending much making a series of smart decisions to compensate for a lack of spend.
Spurs didn’t just stand still they went backwards, and even when they were making the CL regularly there was usually one of City/Liverpool/United/Chelsea who had a below par season and let them in, qualifying for the CL but usually quite some distance behind the top ones in points.
That was the time to push on, especially in retrospect. OK Liverpool had their horrendous injury-hit season, Chelsea had a wobble with the transfer ban.
Realistically now though? Does anyone see any of City/Chelsea/Liverpool not pushing the 90 points barrier? United could conceivably get up there too.
When the competition was less brutally consistent and the points tally needed for CL qualification was lower was the time for Spurs to establish themselves comfortably in those upper echelons as, if not a lock every season then at least in the conversation.
How do they, or indeed most other clubs hope to crack that consistently now it seems the bar is set pretty blooming high.
Leicester nearly did, and West Ham could perhaps for a season but it seems increasingly unlikely that a club can build sensibly and graduate to the CL regular level without some kind of sugar daddy figure.
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Norway28736 Posts
I mean, only 4 teams can be top 4. Cracking it is a lot harder with City, Chelsea, Liverpool all being the best versions of themselves, and if United get back on track, then this really isn't gonna be the season where other teams make the cut. Some teams need to be content with top 6-8 and pushing for an occasional top 4. Sure, Leicester can feel a bit bitter about getting 5th place two seasons in a row, being really close to top 4 - but in reality, they should feel like they've done an amazing job consistently punching above their weight.
This is a large part of why I was always anti wengerout. Getting top 4 consistently is really good.
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Northern Ireland26225 Posts
Not so much regular Arsenal fans but I’m quite happy to see the more toxic aspects of the Wenger out brigade suffering ever since.
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Yeah arsenal fans used to make him of his "top4 is like a trophy" but it really is
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On November 03 2021 02:58 WombaT wrote:
Not so much regular Arsenal fans but I’m quite happy to see the more toxic aspects of the Wenger out brigade suffering ever since.
I get that completely. Never was a good look for us, but I really do think we're improving significantly after the first few weeks from hell
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51522 Posts
ole subbing off his best player for van de beek 5 minutes before FT trying to find an equalizer just sums up how shit his tactical awareness is, really.
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51522 Posts
this is actually bullshit. ronaldo is a real life cheat code.
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this whole man united team looks like utter shit except ronaldo always scoring like he has a real life aimbot
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to be fair fernandes wasnt doing much in the 2nd half. no one was. those changes should have been made 10 mins earlier.
and ronaldo is insane. just unbelievable how clutch he is
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On November 03 2021 06:59 gTank wrote:
this whole man united team looks like utter shit except ronaldo always scoring like he has a real life aimbot
luke shaw deserves a bit of credit. does a lot of the hard work without much praise.
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Lol Ronaldo 2nd goal was nuts! Beautiful volley. Imagine if he actually went to City haha, would have been unstoppable xd
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On November 02 2021 19:40 evilfatsh1t wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2021 12:00 Dante08 wrote:On November 01 2021 20:03 evilfatsh1t wrote:
man you have to feel sorry for nuno. decent position in the league whilst having to play a kane that is completely disinterested and still he gets sacked after 9 games.
tottenham fans are deluded to think that they are the kind of club that have the luxury of sacking managers based on the brand of football. levy is even more deluded to think that tottenham is a top 4 contender. nuno has currently got tottenham exactly where they are supposed to be Huh? It was such an obvious sacking, they were playing extremely poor football and were the bottom 3 in attacking stats. 0 shots on target vs Man U and 1 shot on target vs West Ham. They have played crap football for the past 2 months and the writing was on the wall. Kane is not his fault but better sack him now and not waste time. https://twitter.com/thespursweb/status/1454481553208324100?s=21Bottom 3 for goals, chances created, shots and xG. How do you not get sacked for this? because he was only 10 games in with a team that relies almost completely on son and kane to create and finish chances and their top player is in the worst form of his life? its too early to say that they are out of the europa league spots and levy is deluded if he thinks tottenham is going to get top 4 no matter who he brings in. besides the most obvious thing here is that levy brought nuno in completely expecting nuno to be a temp and replace him should someone become available, which is why conte is being announced. levy is a snake, his actions are disrespectful and again, hes just deluded as fuck. also to the point about tottenham playing poor football. aside from kane being shit right now, tottenhams whole squad is shit. thats just a fact lol. i would have waited to judge how nuno's side does when kane returns to form. i absolutely expect conte to play his traditional style of football (which is closer to nuno than poch), get mediocre results, say he needs better players in upcoming transfer windows, not get anyone, then get sacked.
Their squad is not shit, you could argue it's not great but it's certainly not shit. And it sure as hell isn't shit enough to be playing negative boring football and being bottom 3 in attacking stats. You can't blame Nuno for Kane checking out mentally but you can blame him for his total lack of tactics. Just watching the game vs Man U was clear enough that the team is clueless and doesn't know how to attack, they made Man U look good which is saying a lot lmao. Even the fans were booing Nuno when he subbed off Moura. Sad to see someone get sacked so early but it was a completely justified sacking.
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