On November 06 2021 21:38 Pandemona wrote:
Messi just had the copa success in the last 12 months, he has scored 3 goals so far this season for PSG and Barcelona did poor last year and won nothing.

Lewandowski won Bundesliga and the German Cup and broke goal scoring records from Gerd Muller

Jorginho won champions league and european championships and played an integral role in both.

Kante is just Kante a god.

Then you have players like Salah, De Bruyne and Ronaldo which have arguments for it as well.

mixing jorginho in that reply should be ban worthy even for you pande

this is with all the respect i have for your TL contribution and these yearly threads as well

but yeah, arguing that jorginho was part of 2 winning teams on the season and that could qualify him for this award would be a reason why these individual awards are viewed down by fans.

Kante is a legend, but still not best player in the world caliber.

Salah and de bruyne i could stay here all day explaining why obviously not. And what arguments has cronaldo for this year?

Lewa would be the biggest contender. unfortunately, some of what he does is a little devalued by people due to being in bayern crushing bundesliga as a given. He did finish the season with 41 goals, more than messi but messi had the team effort that people love so much to mix in (which is barely acceptable on top players, and should never promote the likes of jorginho to these kind of conversations o.O).

not that i think messi had an outstanding year or that he should win....i was just trying to say that in the end, he had a national team title and lewa did not and that seems a relevant factor in recent years (again, i dont agree with this policy).

im just replying again on this subject because although messi's year was not stellar, he still ended up with a very respectable goal tally for the season, carried argentina and did what he could for a terrible barcelona and overall is still messi. although not stellar, that is enough to put him ahead of everyone in your post not named lewandowski.

GTR

51594 Posts

November 06 2021 14:24 GMT

#1103

shit derby. city could have scored much more if it weren't for de gea.
game pretty much demonstrated how the team can't go any further with this staff.

Pandemona

Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts

November 06 2021 14:27 GMT

#1104

On November 06 2021 23:17 KobraKay wrote:

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mixing jorginho in that reply should be ban worthy even for you pande

this is with all the respect i have for your TL contribution and these yearly threads as well

Well individually the likes of Jorginho and Kante are the reason Chelsea do so well though and Italy again go through Jorginho but fair enough. Messi scored 4 goals in a copa america winning run where Ronaldo did that in a last 16 exit for Portugal in the Euros in a group of death yet Messi is on course for winning this individual award.

Bookmakers make it Messi vs Lewa at least and the rest are big outsiders.

Liquid`Drone

Norway28796 Posts

November 06 2021 14:29 GMT

#1105

City completely dominant that game. Not as humiliating of a scoreline as vs Liverpool, but it was just as one-sided.

Wonder if something happens during national team break, if Solskjær is still in charge after, the bad form must have ended or he'll be gone shortly after. I thought they needed at least 8 points and fairly good performances from the previous 5 games - now they got 7 points with one and a half good performance, and the four way competition looks like it's gonna be a three way competition. Oh well!

Liquid`Drone

Norway28796 Posts

November 06 2021 14:33 GMT

#1106

I'd be on board with Kante for Ballon d'or. Wouldn't fit the mold as he's not a striker, but he's the only player who is basically two players at the same time. If you're going with a striker, I don't really see how anyone but Lewa can get it. Salah would be a strong contender if we are talking best player right at this very moment - but not based on last season.

WombaT

Northern Ireland26775 Posts

November 06 2021 14:49 GMT

#1107

Historically if you go through the Ballon D’Or it was frequently rewarded to integral players in successful teams, across all sorts of positions.

It’s only relatively recently it’s been awarded for the outright best performing individual player.

I’m ok with either approach, but I really wish they’d stick to one set of criteria.

Modric it felt won because for one year the Messi/Ronaldo fatigue was so high, Wesley Sneijder had a miracle season when Inter won the treble and the Netherlands made a WC final but didn’t get it.

sharkie

Austria18636 Posts

November 06 2021 15:10 GMT

#1108

We all know Sneijder should have deserved it 2010.

But Kante would be definitely my top contender for Ballon d'or.

{CC}StealthBlue

United States41117 Posts

November 06 2021 16:11 GMT

#1109

So a Chelsea player was shoved into the crowd during the first half and not a card was seen. Amazing.

DropBear

Australia4401 Posts

November 06 2021 17:30 GMT

#1110

Newcastle are bottom of the league after that Norwich win.

It will be hilarious if they actually get relegated.

Liquid`Drone

Norway28796 Posts

November 06 2021 17:40 GMT

#1111

Ya, I would looove it if Newcastle got relegated and the by far wealthiest club of the world was stuck in championship.

Bacillus

Finland2048 Posts

November 06 2021 18:16 GMT

#1112

It's going to be pretty weird winter window if Newcastle tries to grab enough reinforcements to climb out of the relegation zone.

{CC}StealthBlue

United States41117 Posts

November 06 2021 19:06 GMT

#1113

On November 07 2021 02:40 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Ya, I would looove it if Newcastle got relegated and the by far wealthiest club of the world was stuck in championship.

Then Newcastle would be back in the Premiere League the next season. Happened before.

Liquid`Drone

Norway28796 Posts

November 06 2021 19:27 GMT

#1114

Yes, but it delays everything by a couple years. They need to be in europe to be attractive for the very best players, no matter how rich they are.

Bacillus

Finland2048 Posts

November 06 2021 20:38 GMT

#1115

How did it go with the Man City? Was it more of a step-by-step thing or did they manage to get some top tier players in right away and leverage it from there?

Pandemona

Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts

November 07 2021 00:25 GMT

#1116

Step by step, they started by buying players like Wright-Phillips, Bellamy and other players that were doing good but towards end of their "careers" at the top top, aka 29/30 then gradually got better and better. They really started getting the talent with the likes of Aguero signing and Yaya Toure etc.

Newcastle need to buy players like Zaha and Tarkowski/Mee from Burnley and go like that imo. Get a strong mid table then push European places.

Sapaio

Denmark2037 Posts

November 07 2021 00:42 GMT

#1117

They also got Robinho in same year as take over (2008). Would say big star at the time. Kolo Touré the year after.

Pandemona

Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts

November 07 2021 01:25 GMT

#1118

Yeah that is true.

Sapaio

Denmark2037 Posts

November 07 2021 01:42 GMT

#1119

Two players that a would try to sign was AC and Rudiger from Chelsea both have contract that expires and the wage offer from Chelsea should be underwhelming. Just give them double or more then Chelsea offer.

Dante08

Singapore4153 Posts

November 07 2021 03:16 GMT

#1120

On November 06 2021 23:29 Liquid`Drone wrote:
City completely dominant that game. Not as humiliating of a scoreline as vs Liverpool, but it was just as one-sided.

Wonder if something happens during national team break, if Solskjær is still in charge after, the bad form must have ended or he'll be gone shortly after. I thought they needed at least 8 points and fairly good performances from the previous 5 games - now they got 7 points with one and a half good performance, and the four way competition looks like it's gonna be a three way competition. Oh well!

Any competent board would sack him this week.