EPT2020 - 2021 Football Thread - Page 197
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Sapaio
Denmark2037 Posts
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RKC
2848 Posts
Good that they equalise. Would be a travesty for a game to have been settled by such a howler. Game on! | ||
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Bacillus
Finland2121 Posts
Edit: Ah yeah, deacon.frost mentioned the same thing.  | ||
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Mafe
Germany5966 Posts
a) VAR is not allowed to intefere. b) goal taken back, red card for A instead (and free kick/penalty depending on the spot of the foul). c) goal stands, but still a red card to player A. d) goal stands, but only a yellow card to player A. e) goal stands, no sanction for player A. f) something completely different. | ||
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DropBear
Australia4439 Posts
If he was even slightly competent Spain go 1-0 up and the own goal never happens. EDIT: I just did some math. Based on his wikipedia page Juventus, Real Madrid, Chelsea and Atletico have spent a combined 202.4 million Euros on his transfers so far. This doesn't include the 6 month loan from Chelsea to Atletico in 2019. How do elite teams keep valuing him so highly? | ||
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justanothertownie
16343 Posts
On June 29 2021 01:52 Mafe wrote: Genunine theorycraft-VAR-question: Player A of Team B commits a red-card-worthy foul in the buildup to team C scoring a goal, but the ref misses the foul. What's the correct outcome if the VAR spots it? a) VAR is not allowed to intefere. b) goal taken back, red card for A instead (and free kick/penalty depending on the spot of the foul). c) goal stands, but still a red card to player A. d) goal stands, but only a yellow card to player A. e) goal stands, no sanction for player A. f) something completely different. Is there any reason why it wouldn't be c)? Seems pretty obvious. | ||
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Oukka
Finland1683 Posts
On June 29 2021 01:52 Mafe wrote: Genunine theorycraft-VAR-question: Player A of Team B commits a red-card-worthy foul in the buildup to team C scoring a goal, but the ref misses the foul. What's the correct outcome if the VAR spots it? a) VAR is not allowed to intefere. b) goal taken back, red card for A instead (and free kick/penalty depending on the spot of the foul). c) goal stands, but still a red card to player A. d) goal stands, but only a yellow card to player A. e) goal stands, no sanction for player A. f) something completely different. If the basic rules regarding red cards haven't changed since I last ref'd six or seven years ago, it would have to be option d). In principle the ref cannot play advantage over fouls where the fouling player would receive a red card. And if the advantage is played, then the ref can only give a yellow card to the fouling player, not a red. VAR changes the equation in the sense that the ref may have missed the foul, or intended to only give yellow card and played advantage with the intention of booking the fouling player later, but VAR then prompts the ref to possibly give a red card. However, because the ref cannot (to my best understanding) give a red card and the goal, they would and should allow the goal to stand and book the player. In competitions where they use VAR they would then have access to video tapes and could be suspensions handed out after the game, but during the game ref couldn't red card the fouling player if he allowed the play to continue and the team that was fouled proceeded to score a goal. | ||
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smr
Germany4808 Posts
On June 29 2021 01:52 Mafe wrote: Genunine theorycraft-VAR-question: Player A of Team B commits a red-card-worthy foul in the buildup to team C scoring a goal, but the ref misses the foul. What's the correct outcome if the VAR spots it? a) VAR is not allowed to intefere. b) goal taken back, red card for A instead (and free kick/penalty depending on the spot of the foul). c) goal stands, but still a red card to player A. d) goal stands, but only a yellow card to player A. e) goal stands, no sanction for player A. f) something completely different. Difficult. I instantly thought about Dortmund - Sevilla this season but there the ref found a reason to disallow the goal (and then went even further back and awarded a penalty for another incident). If he didn't miss it, but ruled advantage i'd say c. If he misses it, that's probably b) and millions of enraged fans. | ||
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Sapaio
Denmark2037 Posts
On June 29 2021 01:52 Mafe wrote: Genunine theorycraft-VAR-question: Player A of Team B commits a red-card-worthy foul in the buildup to team C scoring a goal, but the ref misses the foul. What's the correct outcome if the VAR spots it? a) VAR is not allowed to intefere. b) goal taken back, red card for A instead (and free kick/penalty depending on the spot of the foul). c) goal stands, but still a red card to player A. d) goal stands, but only a yellow card to player A. e) goal stands, no sanction for player A. f) something completely different. Also think you need the factor how many plays/ time do you go back. Deserved goal for Spain | ||
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DropBear
Australia4439 Posts
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smr
Germany4808 Posts
On June 29 2021 02:07 Oukka wrote: If the basic rules regarding red cards haven't changed since I last ref'd six or seven years ago, it would have to be option d). In principle the ref cannot play advantage over fouls where the fouling player would receive a red card. And if the advantage is played, then the ref can only give a yellow card to the fouling player, not a red. Super interesting did not know that. Thank you as not the op | ||
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Sapaio
Denmark2037 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12134 Posts
On June 29 2021 02:14 smr wrote: Super interesting did not know that. Thank you as not the op It makes sense, if it's a red card tackle, then either it was a goal scoring chance ruined or a very dangerous tackle. So in the first case there's no goal and in the second it's interrupted because of the worries for the player health. | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
On June 29 2021 01:54 DropBear wrote: Morata is so bad. So, so bad. How does he keep getting picked? For any team? How he missed that header is beyond me. If he was even slightly competent Spain go 1-0 up and the own goal never happens. EDIT: I just did some math. Based on his wikipedia page Juventus, Real Madrid, Chelsea and Atletico have spent a combined 202.4 million Euros on his transfers so far. This doesn't include the 6 month loan from Chelsea to Atletico in 2019. How do elite teams keep valuing him so highly? His first touch, hold up play, and aerial ability to control high balls. A good second supporting striker. Not good enough to be a lone or main striker. That said, he's still not world-class. There are equally skilful but better finishers in the market (Lewandowski). But he's probably just right for his lesser price. A close comparison is Giroud? | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12134 Posts
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Sapaio
Denmark2037 Posts
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DropBear
Australia4439 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12134 Posts
On June 29 2021 02:44 DropBear wrote: Come on Croatia! Send these prima donnas home! I hope not, Spain was the better team for like 60 minutes, if they haven't scoared the own goal it wouldn't be even close now. | ||
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DropBear
Australia4439 Posts
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