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Czech Republic12132 Posts
On June 28 2021 05:46 matojeja wrote:
Isn't this ref that guy who only officiated one mach in 2018 world cup 'cos of some controversy?
edit: "after controversially not awarding Serbia a penalty, FIFA made the decision that Brych would officiate no further matches at the tournament" oh yes he is
To be fair had one of the refs seen the fouls on the Lukaku in the first half De Bruyne wouldn't be injured. Probably. Because that player would have had a YC so he wouldn't go after KDB with such hatred.
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On June 28 2021 05:46 matojeja wrote:
Isn't this ref that guy who only officiated one mach in 2018 world cup 'cos of some controversy?
He is, even though I remember rumours about this game that the VAR (another german) was known for heavily disliking him and therefore may intentionally not have interefered with questionable decisions, to leave Brych in a bad light. Which seemed to have worked if true, as Brych is now notorious for this performance, while no one talks about the VAR, who also should be at fault, given that it was mostly about a penalty decision.
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Czech Republic12132 Posts
Yeah, 10 minutes of playing something noteworthy isn't enough, Portugal.
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On June 28 2021 05:50 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2021 05:46 matojeja wrote:
Isn't this ref that guy who only officiated one mach in 2018 world cup 'cos of some controversy?
edit: "after controversially not awarding Serbia a penalty, FIFA made the decision that Brych would officiate no further matches at the tournament" oh yes he is To be fair had one of the refs seen the fouls on the Lukaku in the first half De Bruyne wouldn't be injured. Probably. Because that player would have had a YC so he wouldn't go after KDB with such hatred.
De Bruyne got injured? I didn't watch 1st. half, got home late and started to watch when there was 60min on a clock
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On June 28 2021 05:55 deacon.frost wrote:
Yeah, 10 minutes of playing something noteworthy isn't enough, Portugal.
But hey, thats maybe 16 minutes of playing noteworthy the whole tournament!
Too bad Portugal cant luck themselves to the finals again this time...
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Czech Republic12132 Posts
On June 28 2021 05:56 matojeja wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2021 05:50 deacon.frost wrote:On June 28 2021 05:46 matojeja wrote:
Isn't this ref that guy who only officiated one mach in 2018 world cup 'cos of some controversy?
edit: "after controversially not awarding Serbia a penalty, FIFA made the decision that Brych would officiate no further matches at the tournament" oh yes he is To be fair had one of the refs seen the fouls on the Lukaku in the first half De Bruyne wouldn't be injured. Probably. Because that player would have had a YC so he wouldn't go after KDB with such hatred. De Bruyne got injured? I didn't watch 1st. half, got home late and started to watch when there was 60min on a clock
Seems so, and it was by the same player who should have had a YC already. Like you knows, ifs and buts, but still, this was a pretty bad blindness.
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Hazard played much better than vs Finland but went off injured, same as KDB. Hope they both recover for Italy. Carrasco and Mertens aren’t bad but the difference is huge.
Lukaku didn’t really get anything done, Portugal showed how to play vs Belgium.
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Which begs the question besides diving to gain an advantage, are players forced to dive in order to have the referees identity a foul.
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Northern Ireland27209 Posts
We all have our biases, certain incidences stand out in our minds more than others but this observation strikes me as absolutely correct and correlates completely with my watching of matches.
A player can be roughed up and by virtue of staying on their feet even though they’re clearly hugely off balance and barely doing so they don’t get the foul, and their shot flies into row Z.
By virtue of a trademark bad Wombat analogy it’s like watching kids taunt each other. The kid who cries is much more likely to have the responsible adult intervene than the kid who doesn’t, even if the kid who doesn’t is even potentially more upset but sucks it up better. If that response gets the intervention, well some socially intelligent child will realise they can get an authority to intervene and learn to force the response by faking it.
And via a continuation of this tortured analogy the responsible adults should be more observant in spotting the cues, even if they’re not obvious that the kid who isn’t crying is exhibiting that indicate they’ve been wronged.
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I've always felt that dangerous reckless tackles should be punished more severely. Suspend them as long as the player injured is out. Red/yellow cards or even normal suspension just isn't fair enough. Why does the injured player always suffer the most?
Of course, this type of maximum suspension should only be applied in exceptional situations when serious injury is caused directly by the tackle. That said, intention is irrelevant. The injured player's own behaviour contributing to the tackle may be relevant (but not pre-existing vulnerabilities unless truly exceptional). You risk making a dangerous challenge that can harm the average player, you pay for it.
The idea is not an eye-for-an-eye retribution, but deterrence. Rough-house tactics must stop. Players should be protected - it's not just about their health, but also about livelihoods.
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What annoys me in football is players that commit a foul but then instead of saying sorry to the players accuse him of overplaying it or complain to the ref. Really feel its as bad behavior is diving. Personal i would not mind that you look at it with VAR and if the complaining players is right he gets off, otherwise the yellow turns into a red, and a red turns into double suspension.
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On June 28 2021 17:23 Sapaio wrote:
What annoys me in football is players that commit a foul but then instead of saying sorry to the players accuse him of overplaying it or complain to the ref. Really feel its as bad behavior is diving. Personal i would not mind that you look at it with VAR and if the complaining players is right he gets off, otherwise the yellow turns into a red, and a red turns into double suspension.
Yes, introduce some kind of post-match review system. The original referee or another team of assessor gets to view key incidents caught by VAR to impose suspensions (or even enhance or reduce bookings caught by referee). Curbing violence and injuries are serious enough to warrant greater supervision and intervention.
(I understand there's already some appeal system to hear complaints from players and teams in place. But I'm advocating for a more proactive system. Also, I believe the current rules only allow for the perpetrators to appeal, not the victims? And any match incident (e.g foul) not caught by referee during the match can't really be opened.)
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On June 28 2021 05:57 gTank wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2021 05:55 deacon.frost wrote:
Yeah, 10 minutes of playing something noteworthy isn't enough, Portugal. But hey, thats maybe 16 minutes of playing noteworthy the whole tournament! Too bad Portugal cant luck themselves to the finals again this time...
This comment is really silly.
Portugal beat a Hungary that neither Germany or France could defeat, in Budapest, by 3-0. Against Germany Portugal was caught tactically but stil put up a fight and it was a very entertaining match. VS France, Portugal was the better team for at least the first half. Last night Portugal were the more threatening team in the match, despite not scoring. We're talking about the last two world cup winners and the first ranked team in FIFA atm as opponents, while all other teams have faced much poorer opposition.
All PT matches were great entertainment, unlike the Euro 2016. We got to see one of the greatest players ever being a beast at age 36, we got to see Renato Sanches rise up from the ashes again to boss the midfield vs Kanté and Pogba, and we saw Nelson Semedo trying to keep up with Goosens like a headless chicken due to tactical mistakes from Fernando Santos.
Obviously Portuguese fans like me are sad, but overall the Euro is a little less entertaining for everyone. I mean, you're still having a Sweden-Ukraine in the round of 16 and a Czech Republic vs Denmark quarter-final. These teams are several notches below.
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I agree with warding, I feel like Portugal vs Belgium could have ended different. And I'm sort of sad it didn't, I feel like Belgium is a bit overrated but I've been super wrong about most things so they'll probably win the EURO 2020.
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I don't really understand how people are repeatedly calling us overrated.
Our keeper is world class, one of the best in the world.
Our defenders are getting older and don't play at top tier clubs but they're still really good. Vermaelen owned Ronaldo.
Only 1 goal conceded this tournament yet and it was due to a mistake from Jason Denayer who won't be fielded again unless two of the above mentioned drop out (assuming Boyata would be first choice sub).
So the back line of our squad is solid. The front 3 is Hazard, Lukaku, KDB. Best front 3 in the tournament? Depends how Hazard performs on the night but if he plays like last night then for sure, no other team comes close.
So where are we overrated, midfield? Witsel and Tielemans are great players, Thorgan Hazard and Meunier too.
Honestly how can you call a team like this overrated? Easily the best 11 in the tournament on paper.
Of course now that Hazard is out injured and potentially KDB too it changes a lot but come on, this team is underrated if anything. Should be #1 on any prediction.
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Czech Republic12132 Posts
No, they don't. OTOH those fouls should have been awarded by a yellow card, which was a mistake. Also the advantage wasn't big enough, so a free kick in that situation was the better solution but I can live without that. But the missing YC is a big nono.
We saw several fouls already which would have been aknowledged if the person didn't add a theatrical flight to it. Also I believe that we need to punish these theatrics more. As an example - if a player gets tackled, feels injured but is outside of the field, they usually return on the pitch and collapse there to pause the game. This is IMO unsportsmanship behaviour and should get a yellow card.
This is a big problem and all this theater of pain is ridiculous and is the reason why so many people are laughing at the sport.
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Czech Republic12132 Posts
On June 28 2021 18:54 Laurens wrote:
I don't really understand how people are repeatedly calling us overrated.
Our keeper is world class, one of the best in the world.
Our defenders are getting older and don't play at top tier clubs but they're still really good. Vermaelen owned Ronaldo.
Only 1 goal conceded this tournament yet and it was due to a mistake from Jason Denayer who won't be fielded again unless TWO of the above mentioned drop out (assuming Boyata would be first choice sub).
So the back line of our squad is super solid. The front 3 is Hazard, Lukaku, KDB. Best front 3 in the tournament? Depends how Hazard performs on the night but if he plays like last night then for sure, no other team comes close.
So where are we overrated, midfield? Witsel and Tielemans are super solid, Thorgan Hazard and Meunier too.
Honestly how can you call a team like this overrated? Easily the best 11 in the tournament on paper.
Of course now that Hazard is out injured and potentially KDB too it changes a lot but come on, this team is underrated if anything. Should be #1 on any prediction.
Belgium and #1? Whut? Have you like missed the French lineup? Sure, #2 or #3 depending how you look at Italy. But for certain not #1. At least on paper the French lineup is better and doesn't crumble when you remove 1 player(KDB). Also I love how you add Eden Hazard when talking about underrated xD Aw yeah 
On June 28 2021 18:27 HolydaKing wrote:
I agree with warding, I feel like Portugal vs Belgium could have ended different. And I'm sort of sad it didn't, I feel like Belgium is a bit overrated but I've been super wrong about most things so they'll probably win the EURO 2020.
Were we watching the same game? Portugal in the first like 60 minutes didn't show anything noteworthy other than proper defense. But by that time they were losing by 1. And they started playing in the last 15-ish minutes. WHich is not exactly enough which was shown by them not scoring the goal. Ronaldo was almost invisible, Sanches wasn't in the godmode in the last quater, mayube even half. C'mon, Portugal wasn't playing anywhere near great until it was too late.
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Norway28866 Posts
Ya, Portugal looked bad vs Germany but that did look like a very good Germany, a team that can presumably make a lot of teams look bad. Vs Belgium they were unlucky. Vs France is was even. Vs Hungary - who played well - they ended up emerging with a solid win.
I wish they were still in it, but I mean, it's a championship. Belgium going out in the ro8 wouldn't be right either, but one of them had to go.
(I would be a lot more opposed to some sort of 'rigging' of the brackets to avoid matchups like these from happening right away than I am to them happening. Tournaments have randomness to them. It's part of the beauty, imo. )
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Portugal played better than Euro 2016 - and yet got knocked out in RO16. Tough luck. They got shafted in the group selections. But they got lucky in the brackets in Euro 2016. Just goes to show football isn't really fair. Hopefully, they don't take this as a lesson to be more defensive and cynical moving forward.
Against Belgium, Portugal had slightly better chances in the first half. Second half, they went even closer, but that's only because Belgium scored first and was content to defend the lead. If scores remained 0-0 or Portugal even scored first, the second half could've turned out quite differently with Belgium applying the pressure. Belgium has already shown how they can change gears against Denmark. So both teams were probably about even. Sad that there's only one winner, but that's the sucky part about the seedings and brackets.
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Czech Republic12132 Posts
On June 28 2021 19:06 Liquid`Drone wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Ya, Portugal looked bad vs Germany but that did look like a very good Germany, a team that can presumably make a lot of teams look bad. Vs Belgium they were unlucky. Vs France is was even. Vs Hungary - who played well - they ended up emerging with a solid win.
I wish they were still in it, but I mean, it's a championship. Belgium going out in the ro8 wouldn't be right either, but one of them had to go. (I would be a lot more opposed to some sort of 'rigging' of the brackets to avoid matchups like these from happening right away than I am to them happening. Tournaments have randomness to them. It's part of the beauty, imo. )
WTF?
Portugal ended third in their group. What kind of system do you propose so Portugal doesn't meet anybody strong? Did everybody miss or forget that Portugal actually ended third and as thus they are facing somebody who did end first? Yea, if you end in a strong group that shit may happen, but then you play somebody strong. That's how this stuff works.
They ended third, they should play one of the strongest teams in the tournament. It's like saying - well, they ended third out of four teams, but c'mon, they need to play some losers so they can advance...
Out of the first placers the only team I can see as weak is Sweden. And I honestly don't think they would like this choice as Sweden doesn't exactly open their defense  Sure, you can say they could have been playing Netherlands which is the cursed team considering what happened But nobody can guarantee it would look the same like against us
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