EPTIt will be weird without public, because Seville Derby is consider the most intense derby in Spain with the whole city concentrated around the stadium in the matchday.
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It will be weird without public, because Seville Derby is consider the most intense derby in Spain with the whole city concentrated around the stadium in the matchday. | ||
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On June 10 2020 11:45 Dracolich70 wrote: I am not sure about the validity of those reports. LFC were linked with him when he had a low buy out clause and never went for him. Why would Klopp put so much effort, when he is thrice the price, and doesn't have the green light? If you are not interested in having an attacker at 20 mil Euro, as a backup, you are not inclined to when he is 60 mil. Origi has earned his spot as backup too, and Minamino and Shaqiri still have difficulties breaking in. The latter mostly due to calf injuries, and the former due to just added to the squad in January. Klopp has always said, he rather work with what he has, than replacing people, unless he absolutely has to. There is simply no real spot for Werner, as good as he may be, and no matter how big a LFC fan he is and how much the club is his preferred destination. Tis pretty much confirmed now the reason is all money and Klopp DID want him but Liverpool didn't want to spend the money and now because of Corona they won't be signing anyone as they have lost too much revenue. | ||
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sharkie
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Klopp surely would have wanted to have werner but since he knew about his price tag he never thought hed get him. So no, all these reports about liverpool getting werner were just bollocks | ||
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InFiNitY[pG]
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On June 11 2020 02:53 sharkie wrote: Oh come on.. "want" is so easy to say. You know who else klopp wants? Messi because everyone wants messi in his team. Klopp surely would have wanted to have werner but since he knew about his price tag he never thought hed get him. So no, all these reports about liverpool getting werner were just bollocks You're using hearsay as an argument to discredit other hearsay statements, that does make sense for sure! Maybe before Corona Liverpool considered Werner, they just realized that Corona cost them too much to comfortably afford him. When you have several independent sources reporting the same story for weeks, it is very unlikely to be complete bollocks. Please don't present your opinions as fact with nothing of substance to back them up. | ||
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On June 11 2020 02:08 Pandemona wrote: Confirmed where? Neither the club, nor Klopp discusses nor leaks any interest in transfers, and they are very adamant about that. LFC were linked with Werner for a couple of years, who was on a 20 mil buyout clause until late August in 2019, and never made a move on him. Why would they think that Leipzig would budge on the 60 mil euro, when they never did regarding Keïta, where they not only had to pay a premium of £60 mil, but also wait til the following season to get him, while Werner sits on a brand new contract? Tis pretty much confirmed now the reason is all money and Klopp DID want him but Liverpool didn't want to spend the money and now because of Corona they won't be signing anyone as they have lost too much revenue. The club only spent £10 mil(+30 mil net) in total in both windows, and if they wanted him, they would have gotten him, because LFC was Werner's preferred destination, despite Chelsea is a much better choice for him, as the path to regular football is much shorter. They bought Minamino in the January window, and you argue that the reason why they are not going for Werner is because of lost revenue, due to the pandemic, while said interest you say stems from said period. I hope you understand how illogical it is. | ||
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Dracolich70
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On June 11 2020 06:20 InFiNitY[pG] wrote: If they considered Werner before the pandemic, they would have made inquiries in January at worst, and bought him at the low buy-out clause in the summer at best. They didn't. They bought Minamino.You're using hearsay as an argument to discredit other hearsay statements, that does make sense for sure! Maybe before Corona Liverpool considered Werner, they just realized that Corona cost them too much to comfortably afford him. When you have several independent sources reporting the same story for weeks, it is very unlikely to be complete bollocks. Please don't present your opinions as fact with nothing of substance to back them up. These reports come in the midst of a pandemic, and are also - including from you, debunked by said pandemic. News copy stories from each other. How you take them as likely speculation, which 99% are, is using your head. At best these stories are made up by an agent that wants a club to make a move, which is very likely in this case and Chelsea snatched it. You are not really backing your own up with substance, but rather argue, when reports exists from several sources, it must be real and feel the counter should have substance. Well, there is substance against. I have no idea why you think the reports makes any sense. Also he is not using hearsay, he is using facts. Klopp has said he (and everyone) wants Messi on his/their team, because he regards him as the best player in the world. It doesn't mean anything, and he probably wouldn't even pick him even on free transfer, because he is a luxury player. | ||
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On June 11 2020 23:09 Dracolich70 wrote: Confirmed where? Neither the club, nor Klopp discusses nor leaks any interest in transfers, and they are very adamant about that. LFC were linked with Werner for a couple of years, who was on a 20 mil buyout clause until late August in 2019, and never made a move on him. Why would they think that Leipzig would budge on the 60 mil euro, when they never did regarding Keïta, where they not only had to pay a premium of £60 mil, but also wait til the following season to get him, while Werner sits on a brand new contract? The club only spent £10 mil(+30 mil net) in total in both windows, and if they wanted him, they would have gotten him, because LFC was Werner's preferred destination, despite Chelsea is a much better choice for him, as the path to regular football is much shorter. They bought Minamino in the January window, and you argue that the reason why they are not going for Werner is because of lost revenue, due to the pandemic, while said interest you say stems from said period. I hope you understand how illogical it is. Why would they think that Leipzig would budge on the 60 mil euro The clause expires after the summer, making him "available" for any offer Leipzig accept for him if they choose too. The news outlets reported they didn't go for him due to revenue reasons. Klopp in an interview released said "how can we sign a player for 50million or so and ask players to take a wage cut in the next breath? it isn't right" In terms of arguments/reports and what not backing up these statements just look at things like; https://www.empireofthekop.com/2020/06/06/klopp-called-werner-to-explain-why-liverpool-werent-going-to-sign-him-report/ https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11669/12000924/timo-werner-why-liverpool-move-did-not-happen-ahead-of-chelsea-switch Both of which are summaries of the events using sources in the industry to provide the context. Sky using it Sky Germany Sources and Empire of the Kop website uses its well renowned journalist who is good with Liverpool connections as the major source. I mean if you choose to believe that Liverpool have money and choose not to buy him and Klopp never wanted him that is fine, but i am choosing to believe what the 90% believe instead. | ||
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On June 12 2020 02:10 Pandemona wrote: Making a player available for any club, that the club accepts the bid for is not a clause, but standard. It also doesn't say anything in regards to why they would. I sincerely hope you worded this completely wrong. No one is gonna believe it will be any lower, nor that it would be negotiated now.+ Show Spoiler + Why would they think that Leipzig would budge on the 60 mil euro The clause expires after the summer, making him "available" for any offer Leipzig accept for him if they choose too. The news outlets reported they didn't go for him due to revenue reasons. Klopp in an interview released said "how can we sign a player for 50million or so and ask players to take a wage cut in the next breath? it isn't right" In terms of arguments/reports and what not backing up these statements just look at things like; https://www.empireofthekop.com/2020/06/06/klopp-called-werner-to-explain-why-liverpool-werent-going-to-sign-him-report/ https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11669/12000924/timo-werner-why-liverpool-move-did-not-happen-ahead-of-chelsea-switch Both of which are summaries of the events using sources in the industry to provide the context. Sky using it Sky Germany Sources and Empire of the Kop website uses its well renowned journalist who is good with Liverpool connections as the major source. I mean if you choose to believe that Liverpool have money and choose not to buy him and Klopp never wanted him that is fine, but i am choosing to believe what the 90% believe instead. You are just arguing why LFC and Klopp find it hard to justify, coupled with why they aren't going for Werner. Which I agree with, especially considering he at best would be a plan B. But the argument was that LFC and Klopp were somehow interested in Werner, while showing no indications of such, even when Werner was a financially good deal(last summer). As so far even that Klopp somehow had been in talks with Werner, while the club is not interested in making a purchase at 50 mil+ for a player that is gonna be a backup. Of course I choose to believe they weren't interested, because they never showed it, and all my arguments are solid as to why. Somehow you imagine a club that has much lower revenue, has more money than LFC. Chelsea is not hit less than LFC with the pandemic. Their need is just higher, because they lose a couple of players and LFC are well covered, especially since they bought Minamino in January. You can likewise choose to believe what you want, but it would probably be a good idea you understood what you are trying to believe. But I suggest you start taking reports with a grain of salt, especially in times where they are starving for anything worth reporting. You may as well start an argument that LFC and Klopp are interested in Mbappé and reports show they are, but end with new reports that they are not going to because they can't justify a purchase of £250 mil for an attacker, when they are well covered. I can say for certainty that there was no LFC fan with active brain cells that thought the club would be willing to splash out 50 mil for a backup, nor hope they could convince Leipzig to sell him for 60% of his value after a successful season, when Leipzig has already shown a year ago, they will not wilt, and they showed no interest when he was available for 20 mil, and when Klopp has said he rather work with the material he has, and Origi, Minamino and Shaqiri are still very much part of a squad that is already starved for play time. Werner would fit LFC, but the need is not there. | ||
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On June 12 2020 05:09 InFiNitY[pG] wrote: Maybe he is, but it is irrelevant, because that is not how Klopp operates. All these reports completely - like many others - ignores evidence of how the club and manager operates. Klopp could have gotten rid of Origi after the failed loan in Germany, but he didn't. He made him a backup. and he grabbed his chances, when he got them. If they were interested in Werner, they wouldn't have bought Minamino. They have showed they are willing to wait, if there is a perfect match - just like they did with VVD, when they had to retract their interest for 6 months, they never went for another option even if they desperately needed a CB after Sakho was forced out. Or were adamant on Keïta even if they couldn't get him, when they needed him nor that Leipzig could be reasoned with for a reduced fee. If Werner was imperative, they would have bought him for 20 mil last summer, or rather than Minamino in January. They were likewise reported interested in him then and before as well.Werner is on a level that could challenge the front three, which is not the case for any of the other strikers. You need competition to keep a team strong and keep the players on their toes. Not to mention, either of them might still be poached by another team, which would leave Liverpool severly weakened. The front three has cemented their place, and there are no players that are gonna contest that, nor are Klopp gonna contest it. Werner would be a 2nd fiddle at best and pandemic or no pandemic, the club are not gonna splash out that kind of money for a backup, especially when the squad in not threadbare. | ||
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sharkie
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I have always tried to tell everyone that nothing was true of those rumours because thats not how klopp works but they always rather believed skynews | ||
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InFiNitY[pG]
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One injury to a key player and liverpool is severly weakened. Comparing Minamino to Werner makes no sense, Minamino was an absolute steal and a profitable deal even if he fails to compete at premier league level just because of the asian market. I don't think the 20 million buyout clause for Werner you claim existed was ever confirmed anywhere either. | ||
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sharkie
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On June 12 2020 06:14 InFiNitY[pG] wrote: Klopp had to learn to make do with what he's given in his previous clubs, so he respects his backup players, which is why they are willing to fight for him. However I think he is smart enough to realize that this formula doesn't work for a club that wants to compete for several big trophies for years to come. Liverpool need a stronger bench to keep their place at the top, which we saw this season. One injury to a key player and liverpool is severly weakened. Comparing Minamino to Werner makes no sense, Minamino was an absolute steal and a profitable deal even if he fails to compete at premier league level just because of the asian market. I don't think the 20 million buyout clause for Werner you claim existed was ever confirmed anywhere either. What did we see this season? That liverpool doesnt need a strong bench to run away with the title? Also werner was on his last year of contract in the summer so 20mil sounds reasonable | ||
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