EPT2019 - 2020 Football Thread - Page 185
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Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
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Dracolich70
Denmark3820 Posts
On June 12 2020 19:59 clusen wrote: Strange post and arguments. First you argue Munich already bought him, but then decided not to, while you argue he has vastly improved in this season. Werner has been linked with LFC for years. They know how good he is. Every LFC fan did. Just like Bayern. There is just no room for him, and it would be very difficult to justify such a transfer, and as such, you are just replicating that this is a non-story, just like I have said.There was no way for Liverpool to sign Werner before this season, no matter how much they wanted to: Werner had already agreed a contract with another club, who didn't buy him in the end (Bayern). You are also forgetting just how much Werner improved, look at his stats for this season. The story was in the media for quite some time, didn't happen, I don't get what the fuss is about. Because Klopp wanted to buy a player you don't like? Then you propose I don't like him, which is not only completely left-field, but also completely untrue | ||
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Dracolich70
Denmark3820 Posts
On June 13 2020 01:41 Rebs wrote: First you interject we are just horny for Klopp, and then you proceed to confirm our point. Then you argue that no one cares, then you proceed to completely fuck up an exemplary point to prove contradictionary comments, while showcasing a sincere lack of intellectual properties understanding what is being said.Seems more to me like Dracolich and you are just really horny for Klopp lol. You are trying to die on hill that is completely meaningless. Who gives a shit if Klopp wanted him and didnt get him or that he didnt want him and this is a lie. This is standard fare for transfer news since the beginning of time. It was a footnote comment till ya'll started fussing lol. Also your above comment is contradictory. Unless the who cares bit was a question and not sarcasm and you were answering your own question. Sorta like.. "Who cares ? WE DO !" ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ This also got me. This same club spent 35 Mill for a pack mule, justifying it with a 50 mill Torres sale. Also Fenway is the scummiest of scummy sports owner groups. Although I guess most of them are pretty scummy. And they control the purses. Klopps great though. Dude is love. Torres wanted to leave, and the club got a record transfer money for him, but couldn't afford to let him leave, unless they had a replacement. Newcastle played their hand very well, and rejected all Spurs' and LFC's advances for a player that was quite a unique player, that had just had amazing seasons. I am not gonna hold my breath, from where you call FSG scummy, but I have read enough of the highly delusional forum of Blue Moon, to understand reality has no significance for them, on the contrary. | ||
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Dracolich70
Denmark3820 Posts
On June 13 2020 02:40 Pandemona wrote: LFC has had Alisson, Fabinho, Keïta, Gomez, Chamberlain, Henderson, Matip, Lovren, TAA, has been out for longer stretches. Chamberlain was injured for over a year, just as he had cemented to be one of the most important midfield players in the squad. Gomez has been out for longer stretches every season since his two years away from a double cruciate ligament. Keïta suffered 5 injuries in his first season, and the injuries has continued everytime I started to confirm his starting place in the team. Lallana has been a perpetual injury for years, despite his obvious talents.How is good management to just have 11 good players and hope none of them get injured? You have idiots in football like Shawcross who decimated Aaron Ramsey with a tackle that kept him out for 12 months. Same with stupid Son doing it to Andre Gomes keeping him out for 12 months, that can happen to anyone on a football field and having just 11 players at elite level will backfire. Name a successful team for a "period" of time that wasn't based around just 11 players? Klopp's Dortmund squad was based around 16 players i think maybe a few more. Yeah the Fenway thing is also a thing i feel, in my opinion you can make arguments they invest way more heavily into Red Sox than they will ever with Liverpool. Just looking at transfer business alone would make that point but i can't really say that is a thing with fact but looks that way to me. Still its working at the moment... LFC is this far ahead, because they have one of the deepest squad. Granted they have some of the best players in key positions, but they have shown time and time again, that they have means to get results still. Trying to advocate that LFC just have 11 good players is mindnumbingly uneducated. Hell, they were even missing the best keeper in the world for 2 months in the beginning of the season, missing 11 games and 14 games in total. | ||
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Dracolich70
Denmark3820 Posts
On June 13 2020 03:41 Pandemona wrote: Your argument rested not only on LFC has 11 good players, but also on a hope they don't get injured. You then produce evidence that they have used 16 players, that has at least played 1/3rd of the season, which is quite a lot, and I am not entirely sure why you use such a benchmark. LFC has lost 2 PL games in almost two years. And pretty much all their players have had games to play in PL with very little detrimental effect. Also why can't he use all the players they have used in the season? If your argument is they only have 11 good players and hope they don't get injured, it is pretty valid to prove that they have used a lot of players to counter such a suggestion, which of course can't be used in isolation, but surely can when it comes to the fact that LFC is 27-1-1 in the league. He asserts an argument that LFC has used more players than anyone, and you somehow find it a good counter to assert a new condition, where they need to have played a certain number of games, which not only doesn't address his argument, but completely melts your own.You can't use how many players they have used, i used over 20 as a decent benchmark or you can do over 15 if you want and still same outcome. Liverpool have 2 games this season they played PURE KIDS because they were not in the country so using just 1 appearance is silly... If you do it based on just league games its even funnier; Chelsea 19 players 10 or more appearances in prem Man city 18 players 10 more appearances in prem Liverpool 16 players 10 more appearances in prem LFC has 16 different goal scorers in PL alone, and I wager more than any one else. "Yeah the Fenway thing is also a thing i feel, in my opinion you can make arguments they invest way more heavily into Red Sox than they will ever with Liverpool. Just looking at transfer business alone would make that point but i can't really say that is a thing with fact but looks that way to me. Still its working at the moment..." FSG has at large, since they bought the club from near administration from former owners, made sure it was a self-sustainable club, directing it into a healthy club, that can still compete, thus not dependent on owner injections. They gave the club a near interest free loan to expand the stadium, which was promised for the entirety of the former owners rule, and never fulfilled. They have done so to make LFC competitive, while expanding. This means it has been years, where their model was to produce quality players at lower costs, and sell at high value. This model has moved into securing the assets they have keeping them on long contracts, and diversifying between expensive transfers and cheap ones, because LFC is not only a rich club, but also a well run club, where purchases has to make sense economically and otherwise. LFC has unlike most top clubs made a lot of money selling key players, which they have used to reinvest in high quality players with a couple of managers(Rodgers and Klopp) that are excellent in working and developing the players. They have come to the point, where they don't need to sell, and most players will rather stay, because the club is now successful also. It also means that they just don't sell players, that has evolved under their watch, because there is some new guy popping up elsewhere, that is pretty good or perhaps better. If LFC doesn't buy, it is a club decision, not FSG. Unlike the Glazers for instance, they don't siphon cash out of the club, but not into either like Chelsea once did and City does now. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18021 Posts
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Dracolich70
Denmark3820 Posts
On June 13 2020 03:49 Pandemona wrote: I believe it is safe to say, you don't have a clue what you are talking about.Or yeah, get this. Gives no shit about the competition, so he bins it off? lol Anyway believe what you want, but everyone knows Liverpool is a starting 11 only. Adrian came in remember that? He was so good for one game against Chelsea then he was shit and they were so thankful Allison came back yeah i remember that too... Alisson was also out for 2 months, and LFC didn't drop a single point in this time. Adrian played 8 PL on the trot(got in first game of the season, when Alisson got injured), and LFC lost points in Alisson's first game returning(vs Utd at OT). He conceded 6 goals, and became a cult hero, for doing remarkably as a completely new player. Substituting lack of knowledge with making things up in your head and present them as facts and consensus is never a good idea. "Liverpool fans don't even like him!! You live in your own bubble! You should read some articles from inside the clubs fanbases and get to know the opinions of them.". You can't use fora's as proof of valid opinions. In a sport such as football, that is very emotionally based, it leaves a lot of people, making irrational and highly emotional comments, that are changed on a weekly basis. Not to mention, the fact that football is for everyone, but surely commenting and debating on it surely shouldn't. Henderson was hated on for the longest time, accused of only backpassing and side passing, while no metric showed this. Most people don't have the skill to understand what they are seeing, but still think they do. Fora only represent a very tiny part of people, and most of them are in the same uneducated bubble, where they take uneducated and completely made up opinions and make them their own reality to compensate that they don't understand anything they are talking about. Fact of the matter is that Adrian was pushed incredibly soon into a position to cover for the best keeper in the world, and Adrian did incredibly well and became a cult hero in a time where the club didn't lose any points. He was then back into 2nd keeper for a long stretch, and when Alisson got injured again, he was called forth. He made some crucial mistakes, that cost the games versus Atl. Madrid. This unsurprisingly makes some emotionally weak people to lose their shit and forget what they thought earlier. LFC fora are no exceptions to or from this kind of idiotic conduct. | ||
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Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
On June 13 2020 16:05 Acrofales wrote: I have had enough of this discussion. It is clear to me that Ronaldo is far better than Messi. I agree, shame he missed a penalty yesterday haha | ||
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plasmidghost
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Dracolich70
Denmark3820 Posts
I keep my fingers crossed for Sheffield, Leicester and Wolves. If City gets relegated to 3rd tier, like the new rules state, it will not only benefit those teams that normally wouldn't apply for CL, but also a team that would have been deemed relegated, I reckon. | ||
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Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
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Ok Kroos just scored a banger! | ||
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Dingodile
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11/54 were won by home team, 16/54 draws and 27/54 for away teams. | ||
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haitike
Spain2714 Posts
On June 15 2020 17:26 Bacillus wrote: How was Hazard? It feels like the Corona pause might be a bit of a crossroads for him and his individual training routines. He was good considering it was the first match. The team was quite good with him (and terrible in the second half with Bale). | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25522 Posts
On June 15 2020 18:14 Dingodile wrote: home advantage is gone without audience in Bundesliga! 11/54 were won by home team, 16/54 draws and 27/54 for away teams. It’ll be interesting to see further analysis when we have more games without crowds. Especially when we get data from the other big European leagues. I guess what I assume is that technically better sides will smack those beneath them even harder, as the crowd is not there to give that psychological boost for the underdog. On the other hand, fitness levels are going to be a factor too so it’s quite interesting. Take a Liverpool or Man City. Very effective but physically demanding, tactically disciplined coordination is their hallmark. At 100% fitness yeah it breaks down anyone, if teams are operating at 85/90% of match sharpness how does that end up looking? Assuming those levels have indeed dipped I’d say it’s easier to play 10 men behind the ball at 85% than play how Liverpool or City would, to pick two examples. So many variables! Excited to see what impact they might all have. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany6934 Posts
On June 15 2020 17:26 Bacillus wrote: How was Hazard? It feels like the Corona pause might be a bit of a crossroads for him and his individual training routines. I just saw the highlights but it seemed that he was involved with every promising attack. There were no highlights at all in the 2nd half ... | ||
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Dracolich70
Denmark3820 Posts
On June 15 2020 21:47 Wombat_NI wrote: In terms of fitness, I would imagine the comparative differences will just make things the same, even if at 85%. Most teams play very defensively versus LFC. LFC has one of the best fitness levels in the league, if not the best, so when teams begin to tire, that is where LFC tend to capitalise with their relentlessness, if they aren't ahead already(on which they tend to game manage in this season, to economise with their own fitness). LFC may tire more quickly, than they would at 100%, but so would the opponents. Reports are that the players have kept fit, during the pandemic, and since it is much of their playstyle, they know what to focus on to stay ahead in this area comparatively to other teams.It’ll be interesting to see further analysis when we have more games without crowds. Especially when we get data from the other big European leagues. I guess what I assume is that technically better sides will smack those beneath them even harder, as the crowd is not there to give that psychological boost for the underdog. On the other hand, fitness levels are going to be a factor too so it’s quite interesting. Take a Liverpool or Man City. Very effective but physically demanding, tactically disciplined coordination is their hallmark. At 100% fitness yeah it breaks down anyone, if teams are operating at 85/90% of match sharpness how does that end up looking? Assuming those levels have indeed dipped I’d say it’s easier to play 10 men behind the ball at 85% than play how Liverpool or City would, to pick two examples. So many variables! Excited to see what impact they might all have. The technical side will suffer, and we have seen this from LFC during the season, when they are fatigued. Both due to the intensity of the match, but also in terms of congested fixtures. And I suspect this is where they will suffer the most at upstart, rather than the comparative superiority in fitness being levelled. I wouldn't say that LFC is dependant on technical superiority as some other top sides, and I suspect it would hurt City more, just to pick the prime example. But it will hurt the bigger sides for sure, that their technical abilities are not sharp, also due to the high tempo that PL tends to play at, comparatively to say Bundesliga. Don't think we can draw many parallels from the Bundesliga. The premises and playstyles are completely different. Home advantages will needless to say take a hit from no atmosphere. And teams that tend to be better on the road, will probably remain that way. | ||
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