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Bacillus
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland1944 Posts
April 24 2017 15:00 GMT
#4641
Villareal won with blatant last minute handball goal against Leganes on saturday. Ridiculously bad officialating in La Liga again.
haitike
Profile Joined June 2009
Spain2714 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-24 17:22:53
April 24 2017 15:02 GMT
#4642
On April 24 2017 23:25 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2017 19:08 evilfatsh1t wrote:
can anyone with a european background and/or experience in competitive football explain to me how players part of the same national team can be such massive dicks to each other when playing for their respective clubs?
korean players are very happy to see each other on the field when representing their own clubs and they show a lot of respect to one another. i think id be the same if i saw my fellow countryman on the playing field
obviously they dont see each other much so its a bit of an occasion for them compared to european players who see their national teammates much more regularly, but players like ramos just dont seem to give a shit that some players are actually his teammates on the national team. i remember numerous occasions where ramos has had basically fights with puyol/pique/xavi/iniesta yet when internationals come they are all hugging each other and happy to be playing together. like wtf?


National pride is much less strong in many european countries, and club-identity is much stronger.


Specially for Barcelona players. As Catalonia doesn't have a national team (in UEFA/FIFA tournaments) many players indentify Barcelona as it, and for most catalonian players the club is always above the Spanish NT.
bObaZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
Portugal862 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-24 16:30:07
April 24 2017 16:29 GMT
#4643
On April 24 2017 22:32 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2017 22:10 bObaZ wrote:
We have the Youth League Final today.

A completely unexpected final to be fair.

SL Benfica vs RB Salzburg

Benfica won vs Real Madrid 3-2 on one of the semis, and Salzburg 2-1 vs Barcelona in the other.

Let's see if any good player emerges from this

The last time Benfica got to the final was 3 years ago and only Gonçalo Guedes (currently at PSG) emerged as a top player from that team.

Bernardo Silva and João Cancelo were from the same year but they were already playing at an higher level by then.


Did Benefica win the final back then or does the curse apply to youth teams too?


The curse applies to all teams. We lost 3-0 to Barcelona

(Except Rink Hockey where we already were 2 times european champions in the last 5 years, but that's just a competition between Portuguese and Spanish teams to be fair)

But we are winning at the moment 1-0 at the 70th minute. Hope i'm not jinxing this.

EDIT: OMFG

10 seconds after i click "Post" Salzburg scored and it's 1-1 now.... Are you kidding me?
sneirac
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany3464 Posts
April 24 2017 16:35 GMT
#4644
On April 25 2017 01:29 bObaZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2017 22:32 sharkie wrote:
On April 24 2017 22:10 bObaZ wrote:
We have the Youth League Final today.

A completely unexpected final to be fair.

SL Benfica vs RB Salzburg

Benfica won vs Real Madrid 3-2 on one of the semis, and Salzburg 2-1 vs Barcelona in the other.

Let's see if any good player emerges from this

The last time Benfica got to the final was 3 years ago and only Gonçalo Guedes (currently at PSG) emerged as a top player from that team.

Bernardo Silva and João Cancelo were from the same year but they were already playing at an higher level by then.


Did Benefica win the final back then or does the curse apply to youth teams too?


The curse applies to all teams. We lost 3-0 to Barcelona

(Except Rink Hockey where we already were 2 times european champions in the last 5 years, but that's just a competition between Portuguese and Spanish teams to be fair)

But we are winning at the moment 1-0 at the 70th minute. Hope i'm not jinxing this.

EDIT: OMFG

10 seconds after i click "Post" Salzburg scored and it's 1-1 now.... Are you kidding me?

Its just not happening
possession wins games, kante is washed up and shit - pande
bObaZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
Portugal862 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-24 17:06:01
April 24 2017 16:55 GMT
#4645
.... it's the curse...

2 finals in 4 years of the Youth League History.

2 losses...

But we have impressive youngster that will give a lot of money to Jorge Mendes... He was there watching the game and preparing the catalog to sell everyone...

I hate this modern football
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18420 Posts
April 24 2017 17:09 GMT
#4646
How the fuck? I have never believed in curses.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
April 24 2017 17:36 GMT
#4647
On April 24 2017 23:35 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2017 23:25 Liquid`Drone wrote:
On April 24 2017 19:08 evilfatsh1t wrote:
can anyone with a european background and/or experience in competitive football explain to me how players part of the same national team can be such massive dicks to each other when playing for their respective clubs?
korean players are very happy to see each other on the field when representing their own clubs and they show a lot of respect to one another. i think id be the same if i saw my fellow countryman on the playing field
obviously they dont see each other much so its a bit of an occasion for them compared to european players who see their national teammates much more regularly, but players like ramos just dont seem to give a shit that some players are actually his teammates on the national team. i remember numerous occasions where ramos has had basically fights with puyol/pique/xavi/iniesta yet when internationals come they are all hugging each other and happy to be playing together. like wtf?


National pride is much less strong in many european countries, and club-identity is much stronger.


Yeah. I think that is one of the big reasons why Italy and Germany are multiple world cup champions and other nations are not. For those two countries national pride is very, very strong.

In England club-identity has always been big so it's no surprise they cannot play well with each other

Whilst that is, the fans all come together for England every single time.
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
April 24 2017 18:12 GMT
#4648
On April 25 2017 02:36 Pandemona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2017 23:35 sharkie wrote:
On April 24 2017 23:25 Liquid`Drone wrote:
On April 24 2017 19:08 evilfatsh1t wrote:
can anyone with a european background and/or experience in competitive football explain to me how players part of the same national team can be such massive dicks to each other when playing for their respective clubs?
korean players are very happy to see each other on the field when representing their own clubs and they show a lot of respect to one another. i think id be the same if i saw my fellow countryman on the playing field
obviously they dont see each other much so its a bit of an occasion for them compared to european players who see their national teammates much more regularly, but players like ramos just dont seem to give a shit that some players are actually his teammates on the national team. i remember numerous occasions where ramos has had basically fights with puyol/pique/xavi/iniesta yet when internationals come they are all hugging each other and happy to be playing together. like wtf?


National pride is much less strong in many european countries, and club-identity is much stronger.


Yeah. I think that is one of the big reasons why Italy and Germany are multiple world cup champions and other nations are not. For those two countries national pride is very, very strong.

In England club-identity has always been big so it's no surprise they cannot play well with each other

Whilst that is, the fans all come together for England every single time.

With all the tv deals, ticket prices, state of Arsenal players etc. i think its safe to say that english football don't give two fucks about its fans bro.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-24 18:24:58
April 24 2017 18:24 GMT
#4649
I meant the national team. All clubs hate and fight eachother but when England is on, everyone is together etc

Plus that is one club, you can get season ticket at old trafford for less than £800 can get season ticket at all the top clubs less than £800
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
April 24 2017 18:50 GMT
#4650
On April 25 2017 03:24 Pandemona wrote:
I meant the national team. All clubs hate and fight eachother but when England is on, everyone is together etc

Plus that is one club, you can get season ticket at old trafford for less than £800 can get season ticket at all the top clubs less than £800

Thats gona happen everywhere tho. Turkey's the same but players give even less fucks about the fans, all they care is getting their sweet sweet bonuses.

I guess, yeah. Soton is even cheaper

"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
April 24 2017 19:04 GMT
#4651
Think Bournemouth season ticket is £400 xD
But yeah Arsenal prices are just daylight robbery!
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 24 2017 20:38 GMT
#4652
Newcastle United back in the Premiere League
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28675 Posts
April 24 2017 20:48 GMT
#4653
Hooray!
Seemed like a given most of the season tbh, but nice to get it confirmed.
Moderator
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-25 05:00:23
April 25 2017 04:59 GMT
#4654
Mike Ashley just relax the purse strings a bit...

Rafael Benítez had no sooner secured Newcastle United’s return to the Premier League than he subtly reminded Mike Ashley, the club’s owner, that he is most certainly not prepared to settle for second best next season.

Asked whether he expected still to be in charge at St James’ Park in August, Newcastle’s manager smiled before offering a teasing reply. “You never know,” he said after the 4-1 home victory over Preston North End, who finished with 10 men, had earned automatic promotion.

“That is football. I am really pleased to be here, and really happy and proud for everything we have achieved. Hopefully we can put in the foundations for something that will be a guarantee for the future. The fans have been amazing with me, their loyalty means everything. Having this city behind you means everything; they should have a top team. That is why I decided to stay [after relegation in 2016], and now I am even happier than before that I made this decision. I am really proud and really pleased.

“Now is the time to enjoy what we have done. But then I must make sure we do the right things. We have to prepare everything to be strong enough for the Premier League.”

For all that the former Liverpool and Real Madrid manager wants to remain on Tyneside, he was so disappointed by Ashley’s refusal to strengthen the squad in January that he hinted he could leave this summer. It appears Benítez will require cast-iron guarantees of investment levels and spheres of managerial autonomy.

Benítez then made plain his delight at confounding the doubters. “It feels really good,” he said. “I’m really proud of everyone because we knew it would be difficult. At the beginning everyone was saying, ‘Rafa has no experience of the Championship and it will be tough.’ They were right, it was very difficult but the commitment and hard work of the players every day, and the staff and everyone involved, and then the support of the fans, has made a massive difference.

“It is a day we have to remember because it is not easy to go down and then come straight back up. This is my third promotion [he had two in Spain] so I have some experience. But the Championship is so hard because you have to play so many games and it is so physical. It is very difficult to play three games in a week.

“This division is totally different, you have to change half your squad [after relegation]. You have to perform and win and keep all the fans behind the team.”

Benítez was at pains to stress it had been very much a collective effort. “We had to put everything together quickly [last summer] but we did it,” he said. “So I say credit to our players, our staff and everyone in the club.

“Some people don’t realise how difficult it is when you go to play against teams who are in the middle of the table and playing for nothing, but they still fight and compete because they are playing against Newcastle United, who are the top side in the division.

“Or when they come here with 52,000 fans, and they run and work so hard. It has been like that for every single game against us. We watched some teams and thought it might be easy against them, but then they were running double because they were playing us. It was more difficult than ever, and we have had that situation every single week. That has meant we have had to keep going, work hard and be strong mentally. But even when there were signs of anxiety, we reacted well.”


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18420 Posts
April 25 2017 05:06 GMT
#4655
Benitez really gained a lot of respect from me for sticking with newcastle and now bringing them back into the PL
Bacillus
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland1944 Posts
April 25 2017 10:49 GMT
#4656
On April 25 2017 14:06 sharkie wrote:
Benitez really gained a lot of respect from me for sticking with newcastle and now bringing them back into the PL

Also, probably a smart career move too now that he's brought Newcastle back. Two unsuccesful stints in a row probably doesn't do any good for any manager's market value in modern football.
haitike
Profile Joined June 2009
Spain2714 Posts
April 25 2017 14:37 GMT
#4657
On April 25 2017 19:49 Bacillus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2017 14:06 sharkie wrote:
Benitez really gained a lot of respect from me for sticking with newcastle and now bringing them back into the PL

Also, probably a smart career move too now that he's brought Newcastle back. Two unsuccesful stints in a row probably doesn't do any good for any manager's market value in modern football.


It is similar to when Van Gaal loosed all his market and went to the very small Alkmaar and people tought it was his career end, But then he won the Eredivisie for the first time in the club history, and then he went to Bayern and big teams again.
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6222 Posts
April 25 2017 15:20 GMT
#4658
Second time. It was actually a very clever move since AZ had a rich owner at the time who pumped in a lot of money for Dutch standards. AZ were not really very small when he came though. They were near the top before he became coach.
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6222 Posts
April 25 2017 17:33 GMT
#4659
On Cruijffs birthday they've finally decided to change the name of Ajax football stadium (De Amsterdam Arena) into De Johan Cruijff Arena. It took them a long time due to a complex structure of ownership etc. It was about fucking time they did that.... Ridiculous that it had to take so long but at least it all worked out in the end.

Ajax also lost 1-0 to PSV sunday so Feyenoord basically won the league. Congratz to them =/.
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
April 26 2017 04:49 GMT
#4660
Wow that 2nd goal from costa. We barca now
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