EPTAlso Liverpool losing gives United a great chance of getting top 4. We just need to avoid losing to City this week.
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Dante08
Singapore4156 Posts
Also Liverpool losing gives United a great chance of getting top 4. We just need to avoid losing to City this week. | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
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sharkie
Austria18636 Posts
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ApocAlypsE007
Israel1007 Posts
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sharkie
Austria18636 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Fun game for the neutral though, had everything we wanted! | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8865 Posts
korean players are very happy to see each other on the field when representing their own clubs and they show a lot of respect to one another. i think id be the same if i saw my fellow countryman on the playing field obviously they dont see each other much so its a bit of an occasion for them compared to european players who see their national teammates much more regularly, but players like ramos just dont seem to give a shit that some players are actually his teammates on the national team. i remember numerous occasions where ramos has had basically fights with puyol/pique/xavi/iniesta yet when internationals come they are all hugging each other and happy to be playing together. like wtf? | ||
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WillyWanker
France1915 Posts
On April 24 2017 19:08 evilfatsh1t wrote: can anyone with a european background and/or experience in competitive football explain to me how players part of the same national team can be such massive dicks to each other when playing for their respective clubs? korean players are very happy to see each other on the field when representing their own clubs and they show a lot of respect to one another. i think id be the same if i saw my fellow countryman on the playing field obviously they dont see each other much so its a bit of an occasion for them compared to european players who see their national teammates much more regularly, but players like ramos just dont seem to give a shit that some players are actually his teammates on the national team. i remember numerous occasions where ramos has had basically fights with puyol/pique/xavi/iniesta yet when internationals come they are all hugging each other and happy to be playing together. like wtf? Well, first you have the Real vs Barça rivalry. These players have played for their club for a while already, so they're very attached to its culture, if they weren't already 'by birth'. Then Mourinho made the Clasico something else... Also, it's mostly Piqué and Ramos these days. Puyol and Xavi weren't like that, Iniesta is the quietest guy ever. Dani Alves or Arbeloa were way worse. When they play for the national team, I think they're pretending a bit, but they also shared a lot of titles together so... I remember Casillas and Xavi were meeting frequently to appease the rest of the players when Mourinho was still trying to incite hate... That probably helped a lot. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8865 Posts
i get they have a lot of pride for their clubs and they are probably suppressing their rivalry in their national teams, but it just feels weird to me. my impression of a professional athlete was that representing your country is the highest honour possible and so naturally you should develop a comradery with your national teammates unlike that you can get at club level. apparently this isnt the case for european players; your teammates in the national team are just guys who are good at the sport and you have to play with them no matter what. once youre done its "get the fuck out of my face you rival scum" | ||
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WillyWanker
France1915 Posts
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Ysellian
Netherlands9029 Posts
On April 24 2017 19:08 evilfatsh1t wrote: can anyone with a european background and/or experience in competitive football explain to me how players part of the same national team can be such massive dicks to each other when playing for their respective clubs? There are always exceptions to the rule, but usually players have the mentality of what happens on the pitch stays on the pitch. For instance one of our players (El Ahmadi) is a dick to everyone when on the pitch, but off the pitch no rival players hate him. It's a matter of respect and class I would say. On April 24 2017 19:29 WillyWanker wrote: Well Ramos is a moron, Piqué seems smarter but is still a bit idiotic at times (most of the time). You can't expect them to act rationally. 22 red cards, playing for one of the best sides of the league for whom refs are usually quite lenient too. i don't think it's difficult to be smarter than Ramos haha. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18292 Posts
On April 24 2017 19:19 WillyWanker wrote: Well, first you have the Real vs Barça rivalry. These players have played for their club for a while already, so they're very attached to its culture, if they weren't already 'by birth'. Then Mourinho made the Clasico something else... Also, it's mostly Piqué and Ramos these days. Puyol and Xavi weren't like that, Iniesta is the quietest guy ever. Dani Alves or Arbeloa were way worse. When they play for the national team, I think they're pretending a bit, but they also shared a lot of titles together so... I remember Casillas and Xavi were meeting frequently to appease the rest of the players when Mourinho was still trying to incite hate... That probably helped a lot. Well, that's not a very fair representation. There's also Catalonian nationalism to take into account. Since Franco, Barça has been a bastion of Catalan culture, and that comes and goes in waves. Since the start of the economic crisis, Catalan nationalism has been on the rise, and nationalists treat every victory of Barça as a celebration of Catalan superiority. In that sense, the Clasico has become a clash of cultures beyond "simple" football rivalry. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8865 Posts
On April 24 2017 20:01 Ysellian wrote: There are always exceptions to the rule, but usually players have the mentality of what happens on the pitch stays on the pitch. For instance one of our players (El Ahmadi) is a dick to everyone when on the pitch, but off the pitch no rival players hate him. It's a matter of respect and class I would say. yeah but theres a limit to how much you can "leave on the pitch". you can accept that ramos shoving your face in anger is something that is in the heat of the moment, but your impression of him being a dickhead stays with you even after youve left the field. On April 24 2017 20:06 Acrofales wrote: Well, that's not a very fair representation. There's also Catalonian nationalism to take into account. Since Franco, Barça has been a bastion of Catalan culture, and that comes and goes in waves. Since the start of the economic crisis, Catalan nationalism has been on the rise, and nationalists treat every victory of Barça as a celebration of Catalan superiority. In that sense, the Clasico has become a clash of cultures beyond "simple" football rivalry. i dont know much about the backgrounds of every spanish player, but are all players from barca and real from their respective cultures? surely there are players that arent catalan in barca or vice versa? in that case the cultural battle wouldnt mean much to them | ||
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sharkie
Austria18636 Posts
On April 24 2017 20:12 evilfatsh1t wrote: yeah but theres a limit to how much you can "leave on the pitch". you can accept that ramos shoving your face in anger is something that is in the heat of the moment, but your impression of him being a dickhead stays with you even after youve left the field. i dont know much about the backgrounds of every spanish player, but are all players from barca and real from their respective cultures? surely there are players that arent catalan in barca or vice versa? in that case the cultural battle wouldnt mean much to them obv. not all players are not culturally biased. It's really only Ramos and Pique nowadays | ||
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Ysellian
Netherlands9029 Posts
On April 24 2017 20:12 evilfatsh1t wrote: yeah but theres a limit to how much you can "leave on the pitch". you can accept that ramos shoving your face in anger is something that is in the heat of the moment, but your impression of him being a dickhead stays with you even after youve left the field. Well Ramos is a difficult case certainly, but the threshold can be quite high on what you can leave on the pitch. I mean I've witnessed plenty of fights with teammates on the training ground after rash challenges or dickery, hell sometimes the bestest of friends can have the worst fights. I've been in my share of fights too, sometimes we'll bring it up too and laugh about it. Shit happens in football. I do agree though with Ramos things are a bit different. Like he has made tackles which could have straight up destroyed people's legs, that goes beyond rash. | ||
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Skynx
Turkey7150 Posts
https://mobile.twitter.com/GaryLineker/status/856241910813425668 | ||
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bObaZ
Portugal864 Posts
A completely unexpected final to be fair. SL Benfica vs RB Salzburg Benfica won vs Real Madrid 3-2 on one of the semis, and Salzburg 2-1 vs Barcelona in the other. Let's see if any good player emerges from this The last time Benfica got to the final was 3 years ago and only Gonçalo Guedes (currently at PSG) emerged as a top player from that team. Bernardo Silva and João Cancelo were from the same year but they were already playing at an higher level by then. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18636 Posts
On April 24 2017 22:10 bObaZ wrote: We have the Youth League Final today. A completely unexpected final to be fair. SL Benfica vs RB Salzburg Benfica won vs Real Madrid 3-2 on one of the semis, and Salzburg 2-1 vs Barcelona in the other. Let's see if any good player emerges from this The last time Benfica got to the final was 3 years ago and only Gonçalo Guedes (currently at PSG) emerged as a top player from that team. Bernardo Silva and João Cancelo were from the same year but they were already playing at an higher level by then. Did Benefica win the final back then or does the curse apply to youth teams too? | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28797 Posts
On April 24 2017 19:08 evilfatsh1t wrote: can anyone with a european background and/or experience in competitive football explain to me how players part of the same national team can be such massive dicks to each other when playing for their respective clubs? korean players are very happy to see each other on the field when representing their own clubs and they show a lot of respect to one another. i think id be the same if i saw my fellow countryman on the playing field obviously they dont see each other much so its a bit of an occasion for them compared to european players who see their national teammates much more regularly, but players like ramos just dont seem to give a shit that some players are actually his teammates on the national team. i remember numerous occasions where ramos has had basically fights with puyol/pique/xavi/iniesta yet when internationals come they are all hugging each other and happy to be playing together. like wtf? National pride is much less strong in many european countries, and club-identity is much stronger. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18636 Posts
On April 24 2017 23:25 Liquid`Drone wrote: National pride is much less strong in many european countries, and club-identity is much stronger. Yeah. I think that is one of the big reasons why Italy and Germany are multiple world cup champions and other nations are not. For those two countries national pride is very, very strong. In England club-identity has always been big so it's no surprise they cannot play well with each other | ||
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