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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18088 Posts
April 19 2017 13:38 GMT
#4441
Funny. I'd rather face Besiktas than Lyon. While playing Besiktas in Turkey gets pretty crazy, they are an overall easier team to play than Lyon. But pretty sure that the winner of Celta/Genk will be the team all others are hoping for
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
April 19 2017 13:41 GMT
#4442
Yeah thats for sure, Genk/Celta would be nice for either Ajax/Yanited. However for sure Lyon/Besiktas route to the final would be the worst one, who wants to go to flippin crazy Turkey right now!
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nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15845 Posts
April 19 2017 13:43 GMT
#4443
ManU desperately need a CL spot to recruit new players too. Those next weeks could be the difference betwen stopping the slump right now or falling deeper.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
Bacillus
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland1974 Posts
April 19 2017 13:59 GMT
#4444
On April 19 2017 22:28 sneirac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2017 21:37 Pr0wler wrote:
On April 19 2017 21:29 Arevall wrote:
Since everyone except me thinks the second yellow was a good tackle, can someone explain why you think it is?

I mean, Vidal gets the foot first, then the ball.

http://imgur.com/LzlOTNH


In motion it's even more obvious See it here.

Also the offside before the own goal - Here.

In another piece of news, Neuer broke his leg somehow and the season ends for him.

How is that offside? You can clearly see Müllers foot is closer to the goal.

The talk about Vidal getting sent off is stupid, he should have been off much earlier. The same applies for Casemiro and that he was not sent off in the 80th was shocking: https://streamable.com/zmicn

To me, initially it seemed like Muller was offside when the cross got sent to him. Close calls on both occassions though.
sneirac
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany3464 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-19 14:03:36
April 19 2017 14:03 GMT
#4445
On April 19 2017 22:59 Bacillus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2017 22:28 sneirac wrote:
On April 19 2017 21:37 Pr0wler wrote:
On April 19 2017 21:29 Arevall wrote:
Since everyone except me thinks the second yellow was a good tackle, can someone explain why you think it is?

I mean, Vidal gets the foot first, then the ball.

http://imgur.com/LzlOTNH


In motion it's even more obvious See it here.

Also the offside before the own goal - Here.

In another piece of news, Neuer broke his leg somehow and the season ends for him.

How is that offside? You can clearly see Müllers foot is closer to the goal.

The talk about Vidal getting sent off is stupid, he should have been off much earlier. The same applies for Casemiro and that he was not sent off in the 80th was shocking: https://streamable.com/zmicn

To me, initially it seemed like Muller was offside when the cross got sent to him. Close calls on both occassions though.

Quoting the edit I made after you quoted:

edit: Correcting this as I wrote this stupidly.
At the moment of the pass müller is closer to the goal than Lewandowski, but the ball isn't so it is offside. However this is very close, the ball is also not visible to the linesman and doubt goes to the attacker, no idea how anyone can think this was an incorrect call.



Image of initial cross to Müller, line is fan made so meh but that also looks close as fuck: http://imgur.com/a/4H3yl
possession wins games, kante is washed up and shit - pande
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18487 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-19 14:06:42
April 19 2017 14:04 GMT
#4446
On April 19 2017 22:07 Mafe wrote:
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On April 19 2017 20:31 sharkie wrote:
So I just read from a German media site kicker.de that 2:1 goal was irregular.
So before the wrongly called yellow-red from Vidal we had Vidal not given a correctly yellow-red in the 48th minute AND the second goal from Bayern an offside goal.

How the heck can Bayern fans, board and players call that the ref cheated them when he was the only reason Bayern even had a chance to advance yesterday? That's so ridiculous.

The logic goes like this:
Wrong decisions favoring Real: 4/5/6 (Casemiro not sent off (twice?), Vidal second yellow, 2nd/3rd goal from Real offside, possibly a wrong offside on Lewandowski denying a clear chance)
Wrong decisions favoring Bayern: 2 (Vidal not sent off the first time, second Bayern goal)
4/5/6 > 2. Irrefutable maths.

Maybe a different comparison: A team loses 3-2, with a player (lets call him Mario Gomez) on the side of the losing team scoring 2 impossible goals while also missing 4/5/6 sitters. Do you
a) praise Gomez for keeping this team in the game?
b) lambast Gomez for being the reason his team lost game?


Want a different math? Wrong decisions favoring Real don't happen if ref sends off Vidal and 1-2 never happens.
4/5/6 never happen, 0 < 2.
Obviously no one can predict that but you really think Bayern would have scored 2 goals if Vidal had been sent off? No, Bayern would have given up and Real would have easily won in 90min.

Just to be clear I have always wanted video refereeing. I don't defend the horrible mistakes from the ref. I just find it stupid that some say Bayern was cheated heh
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
April 19 2017 14:21 GMT
#4447
Champions League Semi Finals Day 4!
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Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-19 14:49:35
April 19 2017 14:39 GMT
#4448
On April 19 2017 22:33 Pandemona wrote:
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On April 19 2017 21:05 Ysellian wrote:
@pandemona, United are favourites for the Europa League, but I wouldn't call it a sure thing yet. Plenty of teams that can beat United, especially as United are still splitting their focus between the league and the Europa league. One of those teams is ajax which have been hitting peak form (sadly) at the best time possible. They are in the same position as United, but point loss against psv (*fingers crossed*) during the weekend may make them shift all their focus towards the Europa league in which case fatigue will not affect them at all.

I think Mourinho gave up on 4th in the league they need huge miracle really as they have the hardest fixtures left of all the sides in the top 7.

Anderlecht tomorrow home
Burnley Away (who lost 2 games at home all season)
Man City Away
Swansea home (fighting for relegation future)
Semi Final Europa
Arsenal Away (fighting for top 4 as well)
Semi Final Europa
Spurs Away
Southampton Away (easiest fixture left)
Palace Home (Palace might still be fighting relegation)

I mean thats a tough run of fixtures as Burnley whilst probably safe is still a tough place to play away from home. Now he rested Ibra vs Chelsea, straight up rested him but he found that he actually has a good front pair in Lingard and Rashford so be interesting to see how they set up on Thursday. But i would think the calibre of player they have at there disposal should be more than enough to get through what is left. Avoiding Besiktas in semi final is the one i would say as they are just mad xD


Wow you weren't kidding, I didn't realize it was quite that tough. I agree that their team is more than good enough on paper, but they haven't been particularly lethal in front of goal and Mourinho's bus has been prone to breakdown at times. I think they'll come out on top but it wouldn't surprise me to see Lyon, Besiktas or Ajax cause an upset.
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-19 15:51:06
April 19 2017 15:49 GMT
#4449
On April 19 2017 23:04 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2017 22:07 Mafe wrote:
On April 19 2017 20:31 sharkie wrote:
So I just read from a German media site kicker.de that 2:1 goal was irregular.
So before the wrongly called yellow-red from Vidal we had Vidal not given a correctly yellow-red in the 48th minute AND the second goal from Bayern an offside goal.

How the heck can Bayern fans, board and players call that the ref cheated them when he was the only reason Bayern even had a chance to advance yesterday? That's so ridiculous.

The logic goes like this:
Wrong decisions favoring Real: 4/5/6 (Casemiro not sent off (twice?), Vidal second yellow, 2nd/3rd goal from Real offside, possibly a wrong offside on Lewandowski denying a clear chance)
Wrong decisions favoring Bayern: 2 (Vidal not sent off the first time, second Bayern goal)
4/5/6 > 2. Irrefutable maths.

Maybe a different comparison: A team loses 3-2, with a player (lets call him Mario Gomez) on the side of the losing team scoring 2 impossible goals while also missing 4/5/6 sitters. Do you
a) praise Gomez for keeping this team in the game?
b) lambast Gomez for being the reason his team lost game?


Want a different math? Wrong decisions favoring Real don't happen if ref sends off Vidal and 1-2 never happens.
4/5/6 never happen, 0 < 2.
Obviously no one can predict that but you really think Bayern would have scored 2 goals if Vidal had been sent off? No, Bayern would have given up and Real would have easily won in 90min.

Just to be clear I have always wanted video refereeing. I don't defend the horrible mistakes from the ref. I just find it stupid that some say Bayern was cheated heh


Different Math? like alternative facts ? He is talking about things that actually happened

You created your own fairy tale based on a series of events that were based on one assumption. And created Math from scratch, quite impressive.

That is the most bullshit logic I have seen from you in a while.

I dont agree that Bayern was cheated or anything either personally but making a case that Real did not get the significantly better end of the decisions is pretty rubbish.
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
April 19 2017 16:34 GMT
#4450
Love a bit of rebs vs sharkie on my break, go on...
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 19 2017 17:29 GMT
#4451
LOS ANGELES — It would be fitting if it was considered the club’s first trophy. There was no competition or tournament associated with it, but the dented metal sign decorating the reception area’s front desk definitely represents a triumph.

Workers discovered the scuffed placard during the early days of clearing and construction on the southeast corner of Exposition Park. It turns out there was no soccer permitted on the grounds near the old Los Angeles Memorial Sports Arena, which was demolished last year. The sign includes a large red slash through a stick-figure player and clear instructions in both English and Spanish underneath. It was intended for everybody. And it’s now among the first things you see as you enter the complex of trailers that comprise the base of operations at this bustling construction site.

Everyone enjoys the irony. Come the spring of 2018, there will be some very high-profile soccer played here along South Figueroa Street. And it will be played by men representing an organization that feels bound by next to no limits, precedent or convention. The Los Angeles Football Club is making its own rules.

“We continually challenge ourselves to be new, next and forward,” LAFC president Tom Penn told SI.com. “Those are our pillars.”

Someday soon, that sign may be displayed as a relic in a more permanent setting. LAFC, which will become Major League Soccer’s 23rd team next year, is on schedule to open its new, 22,000-seat arena in the spring. Banc of California Stadium will be like nothing American pro soccer has seen before. It’ll anchor a $350 million upgrade to Exposition Park that’s being paid for by a star-studded ownership group the likes of which American soccer hasn’t seen before. And it will become part of a sporting and cultural destination unlike any in the country.

LAFC has no coach and only one player under contract. But it’s already begun to forge something of an identity. That’s vital in this teeming metro area of more than 13 million people (and 10 additional major league teams). It’s also especially meaningful in soccer circles, where supporters and communities typically expect a relationship with their chosen club to be more than simply transactional. Fandom frequently represents a piece of your identity, especially in cities with multiple teams.

Traditionally, the divisions between local rivals mirror select regional fault lines. They reveal something about the place. How do citizens define themselves? It may matter which side of the river you’re on, or it may hinge on politics, education or socioeconomics. Naturally there’s some blending in this age of luxury suites, social media and increasingly transient populations. But many clubs and fans still celebrate those divisions and cling to the history that forged those identities.

LAFC has no history. But history is informing its decisions and direction, from the tradition established by its intra-city rival to the south to the trajectory of MLS itself. Neither LAFC nor the LA Galaxy represents a particular world view or demographic—at least not yet. If that happens, it’ll be the result of a protracted and organic process. In the meantime, they each hope to appeal to as many fans as possible. They each aim to represent a region that attracts many kinds of people for many different reasons. But for Penn and his LAFC colleagues, there already are distinctions between the two teams. The stadium and its location is one. And where they stand at this particular point in American soccer’s growth is the other.

One of those colleagues is LAFC’s first technical employee, executive VP of soccer operations John Thorrington. The 37-year-old was raised in the South Bay—that would be Galaxy country, if LAFC was willing to cede it—and signed with Manchester United while still in high school. He didn’t play for the Red Devils’ first team but did enjoy productive stints with Huddersfield Town and the Chicago Fire, among others. Soccer’s corporate side always appealed, and after retiring, working for the MLS Players Union and meeting LAFC investor (and alumnus) Henry Nguyen through his Northwestern University MBA program, Thorrington moved back close to where he started. The place is familiar. The state of soccer has changed dramatically.

“This league is different now than it was in version 1.0 and 2.0, and it is changing very quickly,” Thorrington told SI.com. “And we’re not just going to be part of the change, we’re going to be driving that change.”

He elaborates: MLS 1.0 was the era of bad uniforms, bad hair, small salaries and fans spread across NFL stadiums. Teams weren’t just trying to get the hang of things, they were hoping to survive. While most ran in place, D.C. United nailed it from the start. Dominant on the field and fueled by the league’s first authentic supporters’ culture off to the bouncing side, D.C. ruled over MLS 1.0. Then came MLS 2.0, which was anchored by the advent of the soccer specific stadium and the Designated Player. StubHub Center (then the Home Depot Center) opened in Carson, California, in 2003. David Beckham arrived in 2007, and the Galaxy reigned.

Thorrington believes the league is entering version 3.0, and while clubs like Toronto FC, the Seattle Sounders and Atlanta United built pieces of the bridge, LAFC intends to set the pace by offering the best of each of those worlds.

“The Galaxy has set a really high bar of success to date, which I think is great. I’d much rather have a high bar to seek. We see that bar of expectation and we raise our level accordingly,” Thorrington said. “But we’re not looking back at MLS 1.0 or 2.0. Our owners would never have done this project if that was the case. This could never have been done five years ago. It never would’ve been financed.”

When we look back on MLS 3.0, Thorrington said, LAFC should be considered the club that “stood on the shoulders of the giants who came before us,” then went on to define and dominate the era.

Said Penn, who made his name as an NBA executive, TV analyst and the founder of the Sports Leadership Institute: “It’s never lineal progress. You hit a tipping point and you get exponential growth, and that’s where we’ve hit with MLS.”

LAFC has had time to survey that evolving landscape, gauge the pace of progress and conceive of a plan to hit the ground running. Its lack of history hasn’t been a hindrance so far. In fact, its owners are pretty excited by the prospect of starting something from scratch.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
April 19 2017 18:45 GMT
#4452
That the team Beckham gonna be affiliated with yes? I can't wait to see that in action tbf, should be fun.
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
April 19 2017 18:53 GMT
#4453
Bürki... -.-
Bacillus
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland1974 Posts
April 19 2017 19:04 GMT
#4454
On April 20 2017 03:53 mahrgell wrote:
Bürki... -.-

He apparently hasn't been able to sleep much after the attack. Not exactly a good thing for a goalie, I think.
BlackCompany
Profile Joined August 2012
Germany8388 Posts
April 19 2017 19:20 GMT
#4455
A+ decision making by me for deciding not even to bother watching BVB - Monaco today.
Maybe i'll tune in for the second half and hope for some Malaga magic (yeah that's not gonna happen i know :p)
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 19 2017 19:36 GMT
#4456
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Bacillus
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland1974 Posts
April 19 2017 19:49 GMT
#4457
Kuipers is allowing quite rough physical play on Barca - Juve. Barca isn't happy.

SoSexy
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Italy3725 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-19 20:01:13
April 19 2017 19:57 GMT
#4458
Yeah, this referee sucks. This is how Juve behaved in the Serie A

(and before you ban me, this is not speculation but the result of an investigation that put Juve in Serie B few years ago)
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Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34171 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-19 20:04:20
April 19 2017 20:01 GMT
#4459
Mandzukic is so underrated

I would always have him in my team
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
SoSexy
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Italy3725 Posts
April 19 2017 20:05 GMT
#4460
Another fault that could have lead to a goal. ffs
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