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No way Newcastle United will come straight back up, it's a tough league. Even with a good manager I wouldn't see it happening.
To answer Pandemona's questions about the Asian Champions League the game it was a lot more pashion than talent. I wouldn't mark out anyone I saw from that game but I was pretty drunk and spent half the first half trying to work out why Tokyo and Shanghai where even playing each other since they are different groups (the group stage is over, it was a knockout match). It was though entertaining which some of the actual Champions League games haven't been.
If we could sprinkle some of the pashion these Asian players have on some of the talent in Europe we might really have something. Man CIty, Arsenal and PSG come to mind.
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Yeah Chelsea been doing an Asian star talent search for a while now, i believe Arsenal or some big team might even have something set up in India on the hunt for talent too. Has to be untapped potential in Asia surely? They watch enough of football from Europe to be learning visually?
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Not sure about Arsenal, I read about Liverpool having big academy there and best prospects come to England to train for 2 weeks with first team once per year.
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Oh must have been them i read about then, defo the thing to do. Tap Asia, find a few gems. Don't even need be world class, just a couple of squad players be worth it due to the potential in marketing and how cheap they would be.
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I don't like rumours about Mascherano to Juventus. Not only he is a solid player, but he has been the facto captain of the team since Puyol left, and he has helped to fix internal crisis like last season between Messi and Luis Enrique.
I understand that he want to play as Midfield again because he doesn't like playing as defender. But I don't see a decent captain in the team (Messi, Busquets and Iniesta are to quiet and aren't natural leaders, and Piqué and Alves are kids)
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I totally forgot to comment on the Mourinho news. I'm not sure he's the right way to go for the long term for United but he's going to bring about better resuts and style than LVG did. He'll spend a lot bring people in perhaps ignore developement (hopefully not). He's probablly a pretty good choice in the short term especially if he repeats the previous quick success he's had at other clubs. I personally will judge him a success simply if I want to watch Man United games next season. I've not bothered watching united games for a long time because the plays been so boring.
I don't know anything really about European clubs recruiting from asia. My comment was more that they play with such pashion in the Asian Champios League. China vs Japan with all the history. I'd love to see some drive like that from the clubs that have been lackluster this season in Europe.
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Has there been much news of Man Utd new manager in China by the way? I assume the biggest club is Man Utd in China? Well especially from England, i wonder if it as big of news over there as it is here? Or do the Chinese not push sports news onto tv for whatever reason?
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I don't watch a whole lot of Chinese telly unless I'm drinking or eating with my housemates. I tried to ask a kid about his Bayer Munchen shirt today but his English wasn't good enough for much more than 'Do you like football?' 'Yes teacher'.
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On May 25 2016 17:40 Twisted wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2016 09:11 Rebs wrote:
A great example of the sort of game where either team did nothing was PSV and Atletico Madrid. It was 120 minutes of the most painful football you can imagine thats what footy is like when teams arent kick and rush and arent exactly offensively inclined.
Quick little FYP: it was PSV against Atletico. Ajax wouldn't stand back and wait, they'd probably attack and lose 1-2 or whatever 
Oh yeah sorry. Brain fart.
On May 25 2016 18:57 nayumi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2016 14:52 WillyWanker wrote:On May 25 2016 14:23 nayumi wrote:
Look I'm not saying Pep's style is wrong, it's just not what I'd like to turn on my TV every now and then to enjoy and thus not football by my own definition. If there is no opening, you force your way through it (yes even if that means you try your luck with a long cross and hope that your forwards get the ball), you just don't pass it around and wait. That's pretty much similar to how Mayweather boxed against Pacman, or like how Alliance dominated an era of Dota with split push. Don't get me wrong I consider Pep's Barcelona to be one of the best squad to ever walk this earth. Like Mayweather and Alliance, they actually figured out the game (at least during that period) and be the best at it. But that doesn't mean it's entertaining, at least in my book. Maybe I used the term "anti-football" a bit loose in that context.
If you make the comparison between Mayweather, Alliance and Guardiola's team, you're not making the right one I believe. Mayweather would be the catenaccio style (at least this fight), where he defends perfectly and scores just 1 goal to win. Alliance's "rat style" would be considered defensive/counter-attack too. Guardiola's style is very offensive, creative, and entertaining. I'm not comparing the playstyle but rather their respective position in each sport. And that even though they were all the bests during their time, they were not entertaining.
You force your way though ehhh.. so kick and rush it is. GG PL footy. I guess football is in its purest form with Antonio Valencia rifling crosses into the box and hoping somoene gets on the end of the ricochets. Sunday league dudes can do that shit.
To use your boxing analogy.
Thats like saying I like watching street brawls, over professional boxers.
And even if we are using pro boxes, If anything Manny is a better suited analogy, always on the attack leaving himself exposed. Quick flurries to get inside. Mayweather is the defensive boxer lol. if you are super defensive you are the one that slows the pace of the game down not the one attacking. I dont see how that logic doesnt seem to get through here.
Your use of anti football isnt loose. Its wrong, there are no maybe's.
+ Show Spoiler +I was at the TI3 Finals. Still best finals in history of TI. Alliance not entertaining..
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On May 25 2016 17:58 Pandemona wrote:
He is 35 and was lazy for PSG, see quarter final champions league. I am not too convinced he will be any use in the premier league, or at least not to the level he has been. He doesn't seem the player who is the fittest of fit like Giggs was for example playing in his 40s.
I guess we will find out what happens in a few months time, but i think this will fail. By fail as well i mean the amount of money given to the guy is money you could give any major talent in Europe who has not got 12-18months left that the highest level.
Zlatan had an absolutely phenomenal season? broke league record for most goals in a season (38 in 31 matches. You've been loving Cavani forever, he scored 19 in 32 - to counter the predictable 'ez league' reply.  ) And then he had 13 assists in addition.. I think Zlatan himself said that this was his best season ever, and looking at the numbers, seems like he's onto something. Zlatan has also never been that reliant on pace - normally when a striker experiences a sudden deterioration, either because he's a pacy striker who lost a couple % of top speed, or because he lost confidence after a couple bad games and then downward spiral. Zlatan not being all that reliant on speed, and most certainly not being in danger of losing his confidence, I can see him have a great another 2-ish seasons. 
Like, I remember thinking about this at the start of the season, that Zlatan is gonna be too old for him to go to PL. But after seeing how dominant he has been, he's turned me into a believer.
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On May 26 2016 03:26 Liquid`Drone wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2016 17:58 Pandemona wrote:
He is 35 and was lazy for PSG, see quarter final champions league. I am not too convinced he will be any use in the premier league, or at least not to the level he has been. He doesn't seem the player who is the fittest of fit like Giggs was for example playing in his 40s.
I guess we will find out what happens in a few months time, but i think this will fail. By fail as well i mean the amount of money given to the guy is money you could give any major talent in Europe who has not got 12-18months left that the highest level. Zlatan had an absolutely phenomenal season? broke league record for most goals in a season (38 in 31 matches. You've been loving Cavani forever, he scored 19 in 32 - to counter the predictable 'ez league' reply. ) And then he had 13 assists in addition.. I think Zlatan himself said that this was his best season ever, and looking at the numbers, seems like he's onto something. Zlatan has also never been that reliant on pace - normally when a striker experiences a sudden deterioration, either because he's a pacy striker who lost a couple % of top speed, or because he lost confidence after a couple bad games and then downward spiral. Zlatan not being all that reliant on speed, and most certainly not being in danger of losing his confidence, I can see him have a great another 2-ish seasons. Like, I remember thinking about this at the start of the season, that Zlatan is gonna be too old for him to go to PL. But after seeing how dominant he has been, he's turned me into a believer.
Zlatan does not grow old. Old grows into Zlatan.
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On May 25 2016 22:32 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2016 17:40 Twisted wrote:On May 25 2016 09:11 Rebs wrote:
A great example of the sort of game where either team did nothing was PSV and Atletico Madrid. It was 120 minutes of the most painful football you can imagine thats what footy is like when teams arent kick and rush and arent exactly offensively inclined.
Quick little FYP: it was PSV against Atletico. Ajax wouldn't stand back and wait, they'd probably attack and lose 1-2 or whatever Oh yeah sorry. Brain fart. Show nested quote +On May 25 2016 18:57 nayumi wrote:On May 25 2016 14:52 WillyWanker wrote:On May 25 2016 14:23 nayumi wrote:
Look I'm not saying Pep's style is wrong, it's just not what I'd like to turn on my TV every now and then to enjoy and thus not football by my own definition. If there is no opening, you force your way through it (yes even if that means you try your luck with a long cross and hope that your forwards get the ball), you just don't pass it around and wait. That's pretty much similar to how Mayweather boxed against Pacman, or like how Alliance dominated an era of Dota with split push. Don't get me wrong I consider Pep's Barcelona to be one of the best squad to ever walk this earth. Like Mayweather and Alliance, they actually figured out the game (at least during that period) and be the best at it. But that doesn't mean it's entertaining, at least in my book. Maybe I used the term "anti-football" a bit loose in that context.
If you make the comparison between Mayweather, Alliance and Guardiola's team, you're not making the right one I believe. Mayweather would be the catenaccio style (at least this fight), where he defends perfectly and scores just 1 goal to win. Alliance's "rat style" would be considered defensive/counter-attack too. Guardiola's style is very offensive, creative, and entertaining. I'm not comparing the playstyle but rather their respective position in each sport. And that even though they were all the bests during their time, they were not entertaining. You force your way though ehhh.. so kick and rush it is. GG PL footy. I guess football is in its purest form with Antonio Valencia rifling crosses into the box and hoping somoene gets on the end of the ricochets. Sunday league dudes can do that shit. To use your boxing analogy. Thats like saying I like watching street brawls, over professional boxers. And even if we are using pro boxes, If anything Manny is a better suited analogy, always on the attack leaving himself exposed. Quick flurries to get inside. Mayweather is the defensive boxer lol. if you are super defensive you are the one that slows the pace of the game down not the one attacking. I dont see how that logic doesnt seem to get through here. Your use of anti football isnt loose. Its wrong, there are no maybe's. + Show Spoiler +I was at the TI3 Finals. Still best finals in history of TI. Alliance not entertaining..
lol you're clearly wrong about most of the things you said but if that's okay
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On May 26 2016 07:30 nayumi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2016 22:32 Rebs wrote:On May 25 2016 17:40 Twisted wrote:On May 25 2016 09:11 Rebs wrote:
A great example of the sort of game where either team did nothing was PSV and Atletico Madrid. It was 120 minutes of the most painful football you can imagine thats what footy is like when teams arent kick and rush and arent exactly offensively inclined.
Quick little FYP: it was PSV against Atletico. Ajax wouldn't stand back and wait, they'd probably attack and lose 1-2 or whatever Oh yeah sorry. Brain fart. On May 25 2016 18:57 nayumi wrote:On May 25 2016 14:52 WillyWanker wrote:On May 25 2016 14:23 nayumi wrote:
Look I'm not saying Pep's style is wrong, it's just not what I'd like to turn on my TV every now and then to enjoy and thus not football by my own definition. If there is no opening, you force your way through it (yes even if that means you try your luck with a long cross and hope that your forwards get the ball), you just don't pass it around and wait. That's pretty much similar to how Mayweather boxed against Pacman, or like how Alliance dominated an era of Dota with split push. Don't get me wrong I consider Pep's Barcelona to be one of the best squad to ever walk this earth. Like Mayweather and Alliance, they actually figured out the game (at least during that period) and be the best at it. But that doesn't mean it's entertaining, at least in my book. Maybe I used the term "anti-football" a bit loose in that context.
If you make the comparison between Mayweather, Alliance and Guardiola's team, you're not making the right one I believe. Mayweather would be the catenaccio style (at least this fight), where he defends perfectly and scores just 1 goal to win. Alliance's "rat style" would be considered defensive/counter-attack too. Guardiola's style is very offensive, creative, and entertaining. I'm not comparing the playstyle but rather their respective position in each sport. And that even though they were all the bests during their time, they were not entertaining. You force your way though ehhh.. so kick and rush it is. GG PL footy. I guess football is in its purest form with Antonio Valencia rifling crosses into the box and hoping somoene gets on the end of the ricochets. Sunday league dudes can do that shit. To use your boxing analogy. Thats like saying I like watching street brawls, over professional boxers. And even if we are using pro boxes, If anything Manny is a better suited analogy, always on the attack leaving himself exposed. Quick flurries to get inside. Mayweather is the defensive boxer lol. if you are super defensive you are the one that slows the pace of the game down not the one attacking. I dont see how that logic doesnt seem to get through here. Your use of anti football isnt loose. Its wrong, there are no maybe's. + Show Spoiler +I was at the TI3 Finals. Still best finals in history of TI. Alliance not entertaining.. lol you're clearly wrong about most of the things you said but if that's okay
No, you are wrong + Show Spoiler +that was easy. Shoulda just led with that, silly me
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On May 26 2016 05:14 Pandemona wrote:Not for me i can see your point but add another 12 months to his legs and you get that. He is to old, not even Drogba who was seasoned veteran of Premier League could do much at 37 when he came back. Like i said we will find out, i think it will be amazing if he scores more than 10 goals next season.
I have to agree with Pande I think. Ibra scored a buttload of goals this season, but the French League isn't really a reference in Europe. Plus, the team was working for him. I can't see Mourinho building a team around a guy that's just going to do one year and then retire (or be too old to perform).
Additionally, Ibra tends to not stay in his 9 position and play as a 10 + 9, which would be great for a player like Martial, but then where do you field Rooney? You would replace Rooney for Ibra? What's the point then? One is an icon in the club, the other one is just a marketing asset/mercenary. But signing Ibra is taking big risks. Not only he could underperform, but if Mourinho decided to bench him because he sucked, he would ruin the team because of his huge ego. I just can't understand if Manchester signs him, especially now that they want to start a new cycle with a new coach. When Paris signed him, they needed an image boost to go from unknown club to one of the biggest clubs in Europe. But ManU is already one of the biggest and most famous clubs on the planet!
It's like Paris is/was looking to sign Cristiano. The guy is amazing, he may still have 2-3 years of good performances, but when you are building a club to perform on the long-term, you don't base your team on old guys, there are enough young talented players to build a team with less ego, more loyalty and more longevity.
About Paris, I hope they sack the coach, but it won't happen unfortunately. And there's no one available  Would love to see a coach with the balls to play Pastore + Di Maria behind 1 or 2 strikers.
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Looks like it's finally over
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I'd take report from BBC over sky any day, sky tend to report stuff that is still going as done just to be first and put BREAKING in front.
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Anyone seeing the irony of Rio Ferdinand praising Mourinho to the skies after doing his utmost to get Moyes sacked 2 years ago?
And yea sky report so far is so misleading. Mourinho going for a meeting to discuss final terms/sign the contract and yet before he is at the meeting, contract is signed
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
The contract is complete, signatures tomorrow is what i get from that. The image rights sorted, contract all set etc is what i get from that. Sky is well better sourced than the bbc by the way, by a long way. BBC report crap 2nd all the time, the news network in sky sources wise is 1000% better as they have connections through ex players now pundits etcetc.
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Though they have been pretty accurate in their pre-mature done stuffs so I call that good journalism.
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