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On May 24 2016 16:42 Pandemona wrote:
Yanited are so bad at HR in the club it is unreal. I know they had Ferguson in charge for like 20 years, but holy hell. Moyes found out he was sacked 2 days before the club told him via the media. Van Gaal has been "sacked" since Saturday after the FA cup final, yet the club announced it 20:30 on the monday evening. Jeez!
Van Gaal has been sacked by the media since Christmas -_-
United's top management is a fucking joke ever since we lost Gill to FA and Woodward became the executive. Seriously Woodward could be a very good financial planner who landed lucrative sponsorship deals but he's just bad a running a big organisation like United.
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Yeah but like i said i guess when you do not sack a manager since 1990 then u sack 2 in 5 years then i guess they forget how to do stuff xd
But oh well, its over now. Mourinho's time XD
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if woodward, fergie and any other influential member of the board manages to make mourinho change his past ways and play the football we were known for and manage to incorporate youth into the team, then im gonna be a happy man.
the chances of this happening are low though and the chances of him actually succeeding should he change his ways even lower. in that case, no matter how successful mou is ill be pretty bitter about how we have a manager that is pretty much the opposite of what united valued
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On May 24 2016 19:44 evilfatsh1t wrote:
if woodward, fergie and any other influential member of the board manages to make mourinho change his past ways and play the football we were known for and manage to incorporate youth into the team, then im gonna be a happy man.
the chances of this happening are low though and the chances of him actually succeeding should he change his ways even lower. in that case, no matter how successful mou is ill be pretty bitter about how we have a manager that is pretty much the opposite of what united valued
I always felt that mourinho isn't as anti football as his critics paint him to be. His Madrid team was a very high scoring team that counter attacked at breathtaking pace. I think most of these opinions were due to his approach against bigger oppositions.
I recall his first Chelsea team had a bulldozing style. They don't tear teams apart with flair like barca, but they overwhelm with strength. I don't remember not liking that Chelsea team.
His second Chelsea team though was simply not filled with his kind of players. The centre midfield were way too soft. There were too many lightweight players. The team was unsuited to counter attacking football. Them and mourinho were just not a good fit and hence the results.
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
You have to remember Mourinho scored the record most goals with his Real Madrid side in La Liga vs Pep's Barca which we all know is 10x better than the current Barca. So the guy knows how to play with his teams of course. Now you won't get him playing that all out attack way vs the title contenders but he will get his teams breaking fast or even keeping possession well.
But you always ask yourself, do you want to see Yanited back to winning/competing for Champions Leagues and Prem titles or do you want to be Arsenal.....
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Define 10x better. Pep barça had better midfield and played more beautiful. But Lucho barça has better forwards and need less chances for scoring and can play counterattack. They are different.
I prefer Pep Barça but it is no way 10x,better. Guardiola won 4/6 main titles in 2 seasons, lucho has won 5/6.
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Really...Barcelona team from 2008-2012 was not 10x better than this one? I think there is no comparison between the two, completely different. One is world dominating the other is very beatable.
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Barcelona won versus most european champions in his champions league trophy last season. And this season they had 40 matches in a row without a loose. Then a bad month (April) with 4 defeats and then 26-0 in goal after that crisis .
I prefered Pep Barça too, and I know you love Mou. But two years of dominance (except one month ) and a Treble and Double (Pep won a Treble and a league in the same time) is not less dominating or 10x times worse.
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Pep Barca beat much better calibre of English teams back then too. As well as beating the English teams on course to Peps first trophey. Then beating likes of Bayern and Real on way to 2nd title. I think that was way better as it had more players in peak, likes of Xavi, Iniesta, Puyol. Messi without the miles on the clock etc.
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On May 24 2016 21:40 Pandemona wrote:
Really...Barcelona team from 2008-2012 was not 10x better than this one? I think there is no comparison between the two, completely different. One is world dominating the other is very beatable.
barca from last year was stupidly sick, in no way it is 10x worse than 2008-2012...
Everyone was expecting Barca to really defend their CL title this year, even me.
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On May 24 2016 22:22 Pandemona wrote:
Pep Barca beat much better calibre of English teams back then too. As well as beating the English teams on course to Peps first trophey. Then beating likes of Bayern and Real on way to 2nd title. I think that was way better as it had more players in peak, likes of Xavi, Iniesta, Puyol. Messi without the miles on the clock etc.
Yeah dude, Pep Barca isnt really much superior to this Barca. Are you seriously saying a Barca team that finally isnt a group of Messi feeders is an inferior "team". This Barca isnt as pretty to watch, but its just as good.
Also I dont get the notion that Mourinho is a defensive coach in general came from. He is just a pragmatist without an identity as far as style is concerned. His skill is in being able to setup, coach and get a team to execute the way he wants them to play for big games and he is pretty loose if the teams are clearly inferior. That has always been the case. And more importantly he gets players to buy into it. Well except this last season anyway. And this sort of identityless footy has 2 issues.
One, you cannot build a long lasting philosophy because basically the philosphy is just "do what you need to, to win", But everyone wants to win, you still need an identity and a playstyle that endures at a team. Thats something that United has lacked since Fergie for example.
The main criticism has always been that he has taken these squads that cost hundreds of millions and turned them into a team that Big Sam could coach and rarely tried to have a go at stronger teams, he has mostly played not to loose. + Show Spoiler +The last time he tried to take on Barca with an attacking setup he got 5-0'ed and that was the end of if that chapter in his life I feel like.
But to people who enjoy watching teams that value the role of a protagonist in a match that doesn't come of well. Myself included. But I can respect that winning matters enough to abandon certain values that make the sport fun for me and adopt ones that are less savory. Still thats the nature of competition and can be an interesting enough spectacle in itself.
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There was arguably more competition in 2008-2012 era with At least 6-7 world class teams, making it way more valourous to dominate compared to 2015 in my opinion. 10x might be an overstatement.
Same as SKT of two years back having 3 best of each race, but winning against kinda weak Prime, MVP n Samsung.
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Yeah competition was better from England and Italy where way more competitive back then too.
I stand by that Barcelona team of Xavi Iniesta Biscuits Pedro Messi Villa with Pep is better than anything else we will see. Or at least the closest to the great Chelsea 2012 team <3
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Congratulations to 'Shanghai International Port Group Football Club' (China really going for the jackpot of catchy sounding names. I think they prefer to be called China East Asia these days.) on making it through to the quarter finals of the Asian Champions League (does this need to go in the Champions League thread). Exciting extra time goal puts the scores level and the Chinese club through instead of the Tokyo based side who looked like they where already off the field and thinking about the trip home and the next round on away goal(s). Great atmosphere drinking with my house mates watching this. They are needless to say all very happy.
Also there's a huge corruption stir brewing in the K League where the arguably the strongest team in Asia Jeonbuk have been accused of bribing referees in K-League games. With Gyeongnam already found guilty of bribery earlyier this year and deducted 10 points Korean sports just can't scrape clear of the the endless waves of corruption confronting it.
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On May 24 2016 22:33 Skynx wrote:
There was arguably more competition in 2008-2012 era with At least 6-7 world class teams, making it way more valourous to dominate compared to 2015 in my opinion. 10x might be an overstatement.
Same as SKT of two years back having 3 best of each race, but winning against kinda weak Prime, MVP n Samsung.
Maybe, but spanish league was less competitive. Barça/ Madrid could win the league with only a loss and 100 points. Most teams had huge tax debts and the tv rights was ridicoulous (Barcelona 160k and Atleti/Valencia 40k)
. Teams had to sell Torres, Villas, Silvas, etc to pay debts.
Now, most team cleaned their tax debts, and Atleti/Valencia will earn.around 100k next season in tv rights ( barça 160/170) and teams like Eibar more than 40k. And teams are keeping more players. Teams like Villareal, Celta, Real Sociedad, etc get points against the big 2. Atleti was 2nd most of the season. I'm happy because that dark years ended.
Btw, Iniesta season has been espectacular. If you watch copa del rey final you'll understand what I say.
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On May 24 2016 22:22 Pandemona wrote:
Pep Barca beat much better calibre of English teams back then too. As well as beating the English teams on course to Peps first trophey. Then beating likes of Bayern and Real on way to 2nd title. I think that was way better as it had more players in peak, likes of Xavi, Iniesta, Puyol. Messi without the miles on the clock etc.
I really loved peps barca. But i have to say that the competition on the very top was easier then it is today.
Take the 08/09 season "the best team" ever. Well yes they have beaten Bayern, Chelsea and ManU, Manchester was solid but not groundbreaking, Bayerns defense in the first leg were 1 player that play in the second league now, one that plays in the "Kreisklasse" (dunno 5th or 6th league) at age 31, the slowest Argentinian ever and a guy that burned his house and was in jail until 2014 (Oddo, Lell, Demichelis and Breno) so yay.
And the second Chelsea game will always be bound the the name "Øvrebø".
So yes Peps barca was amazing but so is enriques. Until February/March Barca was the clear favorite this year so it would be a very interesting game.
On a side note will there be a euro thread/subforum?
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On May 25 2016 06:43 Micro_Jackson wrote:
On a side note will there be a euro thread/subforum?
Yeah probably.
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