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Champions League & Europa League 2014-15 Thread - Page 145
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Grettin
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sneirac
Germany3464 Posts
On March 12 2015 21:06 Micro_Jackson wrote: "Look he is bleeding on his head, Ibra hit him on his head!!!" I think it is really difficult to fix that via rule because its part of the refs job to communicate with the players. For example in the Bayern game yesterday the ref spoke to Ribery after a foul on him because he had the feeling that it could go overboard. That was great stuff. And how do you write this? Talking is allowed but only with 3 people or less? Or you have to have 3 metere distance to talk to the ref? The only sollution i could come up with is some sort of techinical foul for unsportsmanlike conduct, something like a free kick on a imaginary circle 20 meters around the goal. But that would be very weird ingame. And they cant even get rid of the stupid penalty + red card + suspension rule that ruins games on a regular basis. Well I think it is a general problem with the laws of the game. Basically the only thing that is written about hand balls is: handles the ball deliberately this leaves room for tons of interpretations and inconsistency, and I think inconsistency is the biggest problem most fans/players/managers have with ref decisions. Both between different refs calling the same foul differently, or, as we saw last night, a ref calling two comparable fouls once with a red and once with a yellow card. I think the best thing would be more precise language.. Maybe it would be a good idea if only the captain and possibly the responsible player would be allowed to talk to the ref and if a team crowds the ref it becomes a punishable offence. What I would definitely like to see, regardless of whether it becomes a part of the laws of the game or just a directive by FIFA, is to just caution every player that motions for a caution at the ref. Just completely unnecessary and easily taken care of. Then again FIFA/UEFA are incapable of applying simple fixes or realising their mistakes. There have been several instances of the triple punishment thing recently and they just decided to keep it as is. Or the box referee that has once again proven to be useless yesterday, that is still around instead of goal line technology. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On March 12 2015 21:55 sneirac wrote: Well I think it is a general problem with the laws of the game. Basically the only thing that is written about hand balls is: this leaves room for tons of interpretations and inconsistency, and I think inconsistency is the biggest problem most fans/players/managers have with ref decisions. Both between different refs calling the same foul differently, or, as we saw last night, a ref calling two comparable fouls once with a red and once with a yellow card. I think the best thing would be more precise language.. Maybe it would be a good idea if only the captain and possibly the responsible player would be allowed to talk to the ref and if a team crowds the ref it becomes a punishable offence. What I would definitely like to see, regardless of whether it becomes a part of the laws of the game or just a directive by FIFA, is to just caution every player that motions for a caution at the ref. Just completely unnecessary and easily taken care of. Then again FIFA/UEFA are incapable of applying simple fixes or realising their mistakes. There have been several instances of the triple punishment thing recently and they just decided to keep it as is. Or the box referee that has once again proven to be useless yesterday, that is still around instead of goal line technology. Yeah unless they make it a think were they actually start dishing out yellow cards no one is going to stop. And it has to be a directive from the league managing the tournament The problem this is something that is ingrained in the sport and while football is 11 on 11 refereeing is 11 on 22 + subs and staff, because assistants dont help for much. So you can put the rule and the language in there but the execution for one person with 2 sets of eyes is impossible to do fairly and consistently. And really its all about consistency as you said. I never have gripes about a decision or the way a game is being reffed as long as its consistent. Because then the playing field is even for the players and they know where the line is drawn. Also I dont think its fair to keep hammering Chelsea over the head about the sending off. They did what they needed to do. If they were the only ones doing it sure. The only thing is Mou cant claim any moral high grounds and play his mind games the same way because even he knows how stupid that would like (beyond the normal). Thats really the only good to come out of the incident (and im talking really thin silver linings here) On March 12 2015 19:23 Pandemona wrote: Please go show me a video where a player gets two footed tackled (according to the players on the pitch) that doesn't result in the referee getting surrounded. It also did not affect shitters decision, he already had the card and decision made before the Chelsea players ran up to him to protest against the challenge. It was a yellow card as he was late as Oscar won the ball, but the referee was 100x worse than Cüneyt Çakır in the first leg who refused to give any cards at all. It was like the complete opposite haha. I know I cant make you do it but please stop calling him Shitters if its ok. Not like any of his decisions particularly went against you anyway. And yes everyone does it. Doesnt make it any less funny It also doesnt make Chelsea a bunch of dirty scumbags. Everyone does it and there is so much at stake everyone is trying to get any advantage they can in any way. Naturally this means alot of toeing skirting and often crossing the line. I personally dont have a problem with it because I dont feel I am equipped to adequately criticize these people. Nor is anyone else for that matter. But thats just my opinion. The reason it drew this much ire is because they didnt do this before. Mou comes in and bam, and then the gravitas with which moral authority is always claimed by the Special One seems to have evaporated. Costa is a battler and I like him but he went a bit overboard yesterday. he went overboard because he wasnt succeeding. He has gotten into Madrids skin sooo many times for Simeone and it was impressive. Yesterday PSG didnt bite. More impressive Good luck with the league. Stop defending whats wrong because it is and let people enjoy trashing Chelsea because this is what they have been waiting for, for a while now, myself included. To have a few jokes at Chelseas expense. | ||
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Mensol
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![[image loading]](http://img.hurriyet.com.tr/_np/9951/28289951.jpg) So this is how Chelsea conceded the last goal. Terry giving a hug to Cahill instead of marking TSilva. I also want to add that Maxwell was amazing in both games. He dont seem to get enough credit but he is world class. | ||
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Laurens
Belgium4557 Posts
Is that photoshopped or did Terry do that? What a complete plonker hahahaha | ||
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Mensol
14536 Posts
On March 12 2015 22:42 Laurens wrote: LOL Is that photoshopped or did Terry do that? What a complete plonker hahahaha http://gfycat.com/HalfAfraidGerenuk It looks like Cahill fault tho. He runs into Terry. | ||
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Laurens
Belgium4557 Posts
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
I dont agree with everything but this part I agree with definately and for me is Mou's only real problem (as a football coach not as a personality media or otherwise). The sad part is his reaction was still delusional in that PSG were playing the antagonist and not trying to win the game by attacking with 10 men which we all saw happening Then again aside from that comment he was very straight and I think he will atleast coast to the PL. "This was more than a defeat for Chelsea, who must now concentrate on securing the Premier League title with their egos battered. It was a reverse that should make Mourinho think. He is a clever coach, but there are times when he imbues his teams with a negative pragmatism, which means they will rarely be loved." Article Zlatan my hero | ||
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zev318
Canada4306 Posts
On March 12 2015 20:37 sneirac wrote: There was a vine of Terry stepping on Oscar's head because he wanted to get to the ref immediately. Edit: Found it Singling out Chelsea players for crowding the ref is idiotic, yes it is stupid and it should be punished, but every team does it. Bayern did it last night after the penalty was called for them because they wanted a card. As for the rules situation, I know that calling for a card can get you a card depending on the ref, but that isn't clearly written in the laws of the game, right? he wanted to make sure oscar stayed down or that was a signal for him to keep selling the foul. terry showed more pace running to the ref than he did all game  | ||
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zev318
Canada4306 Posts
On March 12 2015 22:49 Mensol wrote: http://gfycat.com/HalfAfraidGerenuk It looks like Cahill fault tho. He runs into Terry. he def got lost on the marking and didnt know his surroundings. (cahill) but was funny that terry's man scored both times (i think he was the one marking david lulz on the first goal too) | ||
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Salteador Neo
Andorra5591 Posts
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Dingodile
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On March 12 2015 23:48 Salteador Neo wrote: IMO Mou's biggest problem is his huge ego and his buckload of paranoias. His disappointments and failures as a player and not being chosen to coach Barça and ManU probably played a part in his cynism. After kicked out by chelsea, he said that only likes to coach chelsea (again) and liverpool. He was a noname at Barca 1996 because he was an assistant. He did go to university (diploma in sport science) during the player career. He went to RM because he wanted more games vs Barca. Yes he noticed that he cant be a super player, so thats why he stopped playing football with 24. | ||
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Salteador Neo
Andorra5591 Posts
On March 13 2015 00:16 Dingodile wrote: After kicked out by chelsea, he said that only likes to coach chelsea (again) and liverpool. He was a noname at Barca 1996 because he was an assistant. He did go to university (diploma in sport science) during the player career. He went to RM because he wanted more games vs Barca. Yes he noticed that he cant be a super player, so thats why he stopped playing football with 24. I was talking when Laporta won the Barça elections and chose Guardiola (a total no name in the coaching world) instead of him for Barça. That was when his hatred for Barça was born and why he wanted to destroy Barça more than coach RM lol. Similar thing happened when he was at RM and he got extremely sad when Ferguson and the ManU board didn't choose him,also because he thought Ferguson was his friend and betrayed him. He may love Chelsea now but he wanted to coach ManU because it's a huge historical team, and it was a great chance and honor to continue after Ferguson's legacy. | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On March 12 2015 22:24 Rebs wrote: Yeah unless they make it a think were they actually start dishing out yellow cards no one is going to stop. And it has to be a directive from the league managing the tournament The problem this is something that is ingrained in the sport and while football is 11 on 11 refereeing is 11 on 22 + subs and staff, because assistants dont help for much. So you can put the rule and the language in there but the execution for one person with 2 sets of eyes is impossible to do fairly and consistently. And really its all about consistency as you said. I never have gripes about a decision or the way a game is being reffed as long as its consistent. Because then the playing field is even for the players and they know where the line is drawn. Also I dont think its fair to keep hammering Chelsea over the head about the sending off. They did what they needed to do. If they were the only ones doing it sure. The only thing is Mou cant claim any moral high grounds and play his mind games the same way because even he knows how stupid that would like (beyond the normal). Thats really the only good to come out of the incident (and im talking really thin silver linings here) I know I cant make you do it but please stop calling him Shitters if its ok. Not like any of his decisions particularly went against you anyway. And yes everyone does it. Doesnt make it any less funny It also doesnt make Chelsea a bunch of dirty scumbags. Everyone does it and there is so much at stake everyone is trying to get any advantage they can in any way. Naturally this means alot of toeing skirting and often crossing the line. I personally dont have a problem with it because I dont feel I am equipped to adequately criticize these people. Nor is anyone else for that matter. But thats just my opinion. The reason it drew this much ire is because they didnt do this before. Mou comes in and bam, and then the gravitas with which moral authority is always claimed by the Special One seems to have evaporated. Costa is a battler and I like him but he went a bit overboard yesterday. he went overboard because he wasnt succeeding. He has gotten into Madrids skin sooo many times for Simeone and it was impressive. Yesterday PSG didnt bite. More impressive Good luck with the league. Stop defending whats wrong because it is and let people enjoy trashing Chelsea because this is what they have been waiting for, for a while now, myself included. To have a few jokes at Chelseas expense. You haven't watched Chelsea vs Barca 2010? Or Chelsea vs Portsmouth cup final etc. We have done this before whilst Mourinho isn't the manager. Hell even before 2005 we used to do this, maybe not to that extent but why everyone blames everything on Mourinho is beyond me. They are still 11 human beings on the field who are NOT robots so they do use their own emotion ala thats how mistakes happen. What is wrong and what have i defended? I said that surrounding the ref did not influence his decision, it didn't. He had his hand in his top pocket before JT or anyone was near him. That is why he made the wrong call because he was to rash, if he gives himself 3-5 seconds he wouldn't have sent him off, if he does after that then he is just plain wrong. You say Chelsea fans should have no questions about the referee but we had a penalty after the sending off which was 100% a penalty and then as usual Mr Verrati is allowed to do what he wants on the football pitch without getting a yellow card until it is too late. In both games he personally made 10 fouls and got 2 yellow cards, the one foul alone in the 1st leg was a borderline red card incident but he still made 2 more after that and stayed on the pitch. Yesterday he blatantly OFF the ball pulls cesc shirt back and he doesn't even get a talking too. That even in England is a yellow card. He then the worst mistake was sending Ibra off, that changed the game for both teams. It should not have changed it in the way it did for Chelsea though when they just switched off thinking "nice, we won now no more Ibra, free win woo". Before that 11 vs 11 we had just started to get on top, we had rode the first 10 minutes of PSG attacks and had 10 minutes of possession without PSG having a shot before Ibra got sent off. But of course Chelsea should not have let what happen happened vs 10 men, it is our fault we lost but we have the right to QQ the referee as well he was terrible. 11 vs 11 would have been a better game for everyone. Oh and i didn't say anything to defend whats wrong or whatever. I accept Chelsea deserve to lose and i am allowing people to post what they want, i read through every post this morning and just posted one statement. People free to have their jokes it is impossible to defend how shite we were  | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On March 12 2015 23:33 zev318 wrote: he def got lost on the marking and didnt know his surroundings. (cahill) but was funny that terry's man scored both times (i think he was the one marking david lulz on the first goal too) No he wans't Ivanovic had Luiz all game they get the SAME MAN every set piece from the first whislte to the last. Zouma came on and picked up Cavani off of someone. Ivanovic picks up Luiz JT had Silva Cahill had Ibra i assume | ||
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Skynx
Turkey7150 Posts
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Mensol
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WhiZ
Sweden853 Posts
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TerransHill
Germany572 Posts
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NuclearJudas
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Naldo picks up a yellow card, and will be suspended for the second leg. Oh, dear. 3-1! Poor keeping, as De Bruyne's free kick goes past Carrizo. De Bruyne really should have had a hat-trick, but he missed after being played through by Bendtner. 3-1 at full time. Set up for a very difficult second leg for Inter. The EPL in Europa League-shitfest continues, as Everton concede the lead to Dinamo Kiev. | ||
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