EPTNBA Offseason 2014 - Page 24
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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Holcan
Canada2593 Posts
As a Canadian, I can only hope Thompson, Wiggins and Bennet can play with LBJ for a season. On a side note, wouldn't it be cool if taking 1 season was a viable option and LBJ (or other free agents) could choose every year which team to join instead of being forced to rely on contract scaling and the possibility of injuries. | ||
XaI)CyRiC
United States4471 Posts
On July 08 2014 06:07 slyboogie wrote: Wait, wouldn't a Cavaliers team of Lebron and young guys be pretty good? Is there any reason that team couldn't make the Finals out of the East? It wouldn't be as strong a team as last years' Heat, but it'd still have Lebron James. I think it'd be a better team than any of his former Cavalier teams. I mean, Kyrie is better than Mo Williams, Tristian Thompson is (way?) worse than prime Varajeo but he's passable, Dion=Larry Hughes?? Huh? Huh? And that not even counting Anthony Bennett and Andrew Wiggins. It'd be a cool team. Arguing that a team would be good and could make it to the Finals in the East because it'd have Lebron is pointless because that'd be true for any Eastern Conference team he joined, including MIL or even PHI. The point isn't whether CLE has a roster that could make it to the finals with Lebron, it's how CLE compares to every other team in the league that could possibly obtain him. When looking at it that way, all the Cavs offer are an up and coming star in Kyrie that only excels on offense, a bunch of unknown, proven and/or disappointing young players, a coach with no NBA experience, and stockpiled picks. The only experienced players on the roster are Jack and Varejao, one of whom is a mid-range jumpshot specialist with iffy defense and the other who hasn't been able to stay healthy for years. All of that ignores the track record of the front office, which could most kindly be described as poor. What indications are there that the Cavs management would be able to construct a championship-caliber roster around Lebron? They couldn't even make the playoffs last year when they were in win-now mode and had great luck in the draft in consecutive years. Could the Cavs potentially be a talented team in a year or two? Certainly. But why would Lebron bank on a team whose ability to contend hinges on so much uncertainty if he really wanted to win as many rings as possible during his prime? There are better options that either offer lots of cap space for a team to be built around him, a better roster, better coaching, and/or better management/ownership. | ||
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
On July 08 2014 08:06 XaI)CyRiC wrote: Arguing that a team would be good and could make it to the Finals in the East because it'd have Lebron is pointless because that'd be true for any Eastern Conference team he joined, including MIL or even PHI. The point isn't whether CLE has a roster that could make it to the finals with Lebron, it's how CLE compares to every other team in the league that could possibly obtain him. When looking at it that way, all the Cavs offer are an up and coming star in Kyrie that only excels on offense, a bunch of unknown, proven and/or disappointing young players, a coach with no NBA experience, and stockpiled picks. The only experienced players on the roster are Jack and Varejao, one of whom is a mid-range jumpshot specialist with iffy defense and the other who hasn't been able to stay healthy for years. All of that ignores the track record of the front office, which could most kindly be described as poor. What indications are there that the Cavs management would be able to construct a championship-caliber roster around Lebron? They couldn't even make the playoffs last year when they were in win-now mode and had great luck in the draft in consecutive years. Could the Cavs potentially be a talented team in a year or two? Certainly. But why would Lebron bank on a team whose ability to contend hinges on so much uncertainty if he really wanted to win as many rings as possible during his prime? There are better options that either offer lots of cap space for a team to be built around him, a better roster, better coaching, and/or better management/ownership. I suppose it's true for every team in the NBA. I don't mean to say the Cavaliers with Lebron are the best team in the league - I just said it'd be a cool team and probably better than any team he played with from '03-'10 | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
On July 08 2014 04:26 zev318 wrote: it is conceivable that everyone worthwhile on the heat dont come back (bosh says fuck it im going to houston, allen retires, etc), that would make cleveland a more attractive destination for lebron. but even so he would have better options, unless he really really wants a max from someone. Well... if LeBron goes back to Miami, the other stars will follow. the thing that most people seem to be reporting is that LeBron is so up in the air / not communicative about the whole thing and it's turning people off. Bosh wants a max deal, or close to a max deal, but I'm sure if push came to shove he'd slug it out in Miami with LeBron and Wade for a few more years. So, the way you're describing things is not how it is -- LeBron is the causal factor of everyone else's decisions atm. | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On July 08 2014 08:06 XaI)CyRiC wrote: But why would Lebron bank on a team whose ability to contend hinges on so much uncertainty if he really wanted to win as many rings as possible during his prime? If Lebron goes to Cleveland it'll be because he's from Akron not because they have the best team to build around him. I don't think any of the Stephenson/Parsons etc. will get signed until the big 3/Melo have decided where they're going, then all the losers will offer all their cap space to them because they're the best of who's left. | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
On July 08 2014 08:06 XaI)CyRiC wrote: Arguing that a team would be good and could make it to the Finals in the East because it'd have Lebron is pointless because that'd be true for any Eastern Conference team he joined, including MIL or even PHI. The point isn't whether CLE has a roster that could make it to the finals with Lebron, it's how CLE compares to every other team in the league that could possibly obtain him. When looking at it that way, all the Cavs offer are an up and coming star in Kyrie that only excels on offense, a bunch of unknown, proven and/or disappointing young players, a coach with no NBA experience, and stockpiled picks. The only experienced players on the roster are Jack and Varejao, one of whom is a mid-range jumpshot specialist with iffy defense and the other who hasn't been able to stay healthy for years. All of that ignores the track record of the front office, which could most kindly be described as poor. What indications are there that the Cavs management would be able to construct a championship-caliber roster around Lebron? They couldn't even make the playoffs last year when they were in win-now mode and had great luck in the draft in consecutive years. Could the Cavs potentially be a talented team in a year or two? Certainly. But why would Lebron bank on a team whose ability to contend hinges on so much uncertainty if he really wanted to win as many rings as possible during his prime? There are better options that either offer lots of cap space for a team to be built around him, a better roster, better coaching, and/or better management/ownership. Also - they have to give up Jack in order to get LeBron, so basically they become a team of LeBron + Kyrie (overrated) + Varejao (can't stay healthy). Wiggins is likely going to be really raw in Year 1, Bennett is a complete enigma, Tristan Thompson is all over the place, and Dion Waiters is a cancer. They don't have much else on that team. There's also a difference between LeBron making people better on the court and magically being able to make them better basketball players. It isn't like Anthony Bennett will somehow train harder or faster or better and improve his skills because LeBron comes to the team. LeBron may get guys like him easy buckets via drawing attention to himself, etc... but it isn't making them any better as players. Also, as Cyric said, Cleveland doesn't have pieces that make them a lock to win the East if they just add LeBron. I think this Cavs team + LeBron loses to Indiana (if they keep Lance), Washington (if they keep Ariza), Chicago (if Rose is healthy), and probably also Toronto. The East will be WIDE open if the big 3 break up, but I still think the Cavs, at best are a top 4 team. | ||
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LuMiX
China5757 Posts
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icystorage
Jollibee19349 Posts
he's losing it | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On July 08 2014 10:41 Metal[x] wrote: why are so many teams interested in parsons? I mean, he's as inconsistent as lin maybe moreso... Cause SF is a thin position after you get past the top 3-5 or so and he's rare in his ability to contribute on both offense and defense, which is really important in the playoffs because teams really suffer when they only have roleplayers good at one or the other (see Grizz with Prince/Allen or Clips with Jamal Crawford). He can play defense and offense and that's rare on the wing position. fwiw I don't think Waiters is that bad. Probably your 2nd most promising young talent on that team after Kyrie. Although I think Bennett has the possibility to be good if he can rebound from his terrible start. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
Also I totally agree with Chandler Parsons, I don't think he's that great. I view him as a better version of Chase Budinger (i.e. hasn't had any major injuries), and I feel like there's a ceiling a white wing player has, and he's probably reached it. He's a solid player but I think his best case scenario is as a strong supporter off the bench, not near the high salary level he's being considered for. I think: Durant, Carmelo, Ariza, Deng, Paul George, Kwahi Leonard are all 100% better than Parsons. 8th best SF in the league isn't worth near-max money IMO. | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
It is worth near-max money if you're young and on your first (cheaper) max, plus you're a team that just struck out on Lebron/Bosh/Melo and are in playoff contention with 10 mill+in cap space anyway. I would maybe put him above Ariza. | ||
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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
On July 08 2014 11:51 Jerubaal wrote: I don't get how Miami can't afford to pay James/Bosh/Wade and still have a roster but Houston can pay Howard/Harden/Bosh. Actually I'm shocked Harden is only getting paid less than $15 million. (Why did he leave OKC again?) Their roster is as thin as the Heat's once you get past those players. im guessing you're being rhetorical since you seem to get it to correct you, harden was traded, because he didnt take okc's salary offer (4/52 versus 5/78 or something of the sort) agreed, the roster will be thin... also im not sure of mchales coaching prowess. he is staying, right? | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
houston may have a lot of shiny pieces and a popular on the internet gm but it's kind of problematic and curious that this supposed smart team is bleeding away huge points on all the nonshiny stuff like defense and coaching. | ||
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