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Intact
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden634 Posts
January 08 2014 05:28 GMT
#2901
Regarding the NBA system, I posted this a while back. Thoughts?

I think the NBA could adopt the KHL draft rules to fight tanking. In the KHL ( Russian hockey) , once a team gets eliminated from the playoff chase they start earning draft points from their wins and the team with the most draft points win the first pick. Forces you to keep playing when the playoffs are out of the picture.

cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
January 08 2014 05:31 GMT
#2902
On January 08 2014 14:25 Scarecrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2014 13:53 cLutZ wrote:
On January 08 2014 03:46 MassHysteria wrote:
Agreed. If you only offer him 10million, you aren't really intending to resign him. It's a slap in the face to release that publicly like they did. They just wanted that out there to make it easier to trade him a few days later (with their fans mostly).

edit: IMO anything over $12mil/year is probably too much (depends on his play ofc).


Its not about a slap in the face, its about the FACT that in the NBA, to win big, you need to have several players who are underpaid on your team.

Ginobili, Green, Diaw (slightly underpaid).

You can capitalize fact all you want but none of those guys are underpaid. Ginobili's latest contract is well above what the market would pay and the other two would be mediocre/bad on other teams. It's all about getting the most out of the players you have and running a good system. A lot of players only seem underpaid/overpaid because of the teams they're in eg. Monta with the bucks or mavs


Leonard makes 1.8 mil a year. I take it back, he is hugely underpaid.
Freeeeeeedom
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
January 08 2014 05:31 GMT
#2903
Gordon Hayward showing his diamond league terran micro in this game
seiferoth10
Profile Joined May 2010
3362 Posts
January 08 2014 05:32 GMT
#2904
Technically both of you are right. You get players in the right system and that increases their value compared to their contract, i.e. if the system is right they become more and more underpaid.
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9175 Posts
January 08 2014 05:32 GMT
#2905
On January 08 2014 14:31 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2014 14:25 Scarecrow wrote:
On January 08 2014 13:53 cLutZ wrote:
On January 08 2014 03:46 MassHysteria wrote:
Agreed. If you only offer him 10million, you aren't really intending to resign him. It's a slap in the face to release that publicly like they did. They just wanted that out there to make it easier to trade him a few days later (with their fans mostly).

edit: IMO anything over $12mil/year is probably too much (depends on his play ofc).


Its not about a slap in the face, its about the FACT that in the NBA, to win big, you need to have several players who are underpaid on your team.

Ginobili, Green, Diaw (slightly underpaid).

You can capitalize fact all you want but none of those guys are underpaid. Ginobili's latest contract is well above what the market would pay and the other two would be mediocre/bad on other teams. It's all about getting the most out of the players you have and running a good system. A lot of players only seem underpaid/overpaid because of the teams they're in eg. Monta with the bucks or mavs


Leonard makes 1.8 mil a year. I take it back, he is hugely underpaid.

... I objected to ginobili green and diaw. Great response.
Yhamm is the god of predictions
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-08 05:40:41
January 08 2014 05:39 GMT
#2906
Leonard is on his rookie contract, afaik every rookie makes the same amount based on their draft position, there's really no concept of over/underpaid in that case. It just simply means having lots of young talent is the most realistic way for small market teams to win. And that no team can win without at least some talent they drafted.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-08 05:45:31
January 08 2014 05:41 GMT
#2907
On January 08 2014 14:32 Scarecrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2014 14:31 cLutZ wrote:
On January 08 2014 14:25 Scarecrow wrote:
On January 08 2014 13:53 cLutZ wrote:
On January 08 2014 03:46 MassHysteria wrote:
Agreed. If you only offer him 10million, you aren't really intending to resign him. It's a slap in the face to release that publicly like they did. They just wanted that out there to make it easier to trade him a few days later (with their fans mostly).

edit: IMO anything over $12mil/year is probably too much (depends on his play ofc).


Its not about a slap in the face, its about the FACT that in the NBA, to win big, you need to have several players who are underpaid on your team.

Ginobili, Green, Diaw (slightly underpaid).

You can capitalize fact all you want but none of those guys are underpaid. Ginobili's latest contract is well above what the market would pay and the other two would be mediocre/bad on other teams. It's all about getting the most out of the players you have and running a good system. A lot of players only seem underpaid/overpaid because of the teams they're in eg. Monta with the bucks or mavs


Leonard makes 1.8 mil a year. I take it back, he is hugely underpaid.

... I objected to ginobili green and diaw. Great response.


Haha. I am too tired to read apparently.

Diaw and Green, however, are definitely underpaid. Not that they are great players, but they are great at the price. Giniobili at 13 mil might not be that underpaid anymore, I suppose on average, but with what the Spurs have done, they can typically afford it for his flashes of brilliance.

And that is not to undermine Pop's system, or Spo's system, or even Phil's system when he was with the Lakers and Bulls, but it seems to me that systems seem to perform best when they have more talent and skill than the other team facing them.
Freeeeeeedom
Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
January 08 2014 07:04 GMT
#2908
the most underpaid player in the league is parsons

when i read "the wheel" solution, my immediate thought was that this won't work simply because it gives college kids the leverage of knowing where they can get drafted to. cavs number one pick next year? lebron 2.0 will just wait that extra year to land with a big market team. otherwise it's a great system, but i just don't see how it can address the issue of college kids manipulating the year of their draft.
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
MassHysteria
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3678 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-08 07:10:59
January 08 2014 07:08 GMT
#2909
My point of view was from Deng's. Yours is from Bulls ownership. What you say doesn't necessarily go against what I said. Even though I was probably too strong in what I said due to how I would have changed my tone if I said that out loud.
"Just ban all the J's...even jinklejoes" --unnamed source
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
January 08 2014 07:12 GMT
#2910
i like this one guy's comment regarding the draft.

why not give the middle ranked team the top pick? like the 8th and 9th in the conference in an alternating sequence (9th, 8th, 10th, 7th,.. so on). This gives a reward for the team that made the playoffs and the team that did their best to get to the playoffs (or at least a good record when out of playoff contention). This completely erases tanking but the downside is that last-ranked teams will stay bad coming to the next season in regards to picks
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jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
January 08 2014 07:17 GMT
#2911
On January 08 2014 16:04 Doraemon wrote:
the most underpaid player in the league is parsons

when i read "the wheel" solution, my immediate thought was that this won't work simply because it gives college kids the leverage of knowing where they can get drafted to. cavs number one pick next year? lebron 2.0 will just wait that extra year to land with a big market team. otherwise it's a great system, but i just don't see how it can address the issue of college kids manipulating the year of their draft.

Paul George is still pretty underpaid this year. Only makes 3.2 mil this season. Then $16 mil next season lol.

Stephenson is in the same boat as Parsons though. Both making just under $1 mil. Absolute steals this year.

Hell for the Pacers, between George and Stephenson, for less than $4.5 million, they are getting 35.6ppg, 8.7apg, 12.6rpg. Next year that will cost them probably about $25 million.
www.superbeerbrothers.com
Dogfoodboy16
Profile Joined October 2013
364 Posts
January 08 2014 07:31 GMT
#2912
Why do the Sacramento Kings only play well against Top Teams? They Beat the Blazers and the Heat but lose to the Bobcats...Somebody needs to get their shit together.
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
January 08 2014 07:34 GMT
#2913
On January 08 2014 16:31 Dogfoodboy16 wrote:
Why do the Sacramento Kings only play well against Top Teams? They Beat the Blazers and the Heat but lose to the Bobcats...Somebody needs to get their shit together.

young. easy to get themselves up for big games. There is some real talent on the Kings.
www.superbeerbrothers.com
Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
January 08 2014 09:33 GMT
#2914
If Derek Williams gets more consistent minutes and maybe even starts then the Kings are nasty.
"If I had to take a drug in order to be free, I'm screwed. Freedom exists in the mind, otherwise it doesn't exist."
Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
January 08 2014 09:34 GMT
#2915
You have to consider that parsons was a 2nd round pick on the bottom, but he's going to be a hefty price tag but a freaking total bargain when Rockets acquired him.
"If I had to take a drug in order to be free, I'm screwed. Freedom exists in the mind, otherwise it doesn't exist."
Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
January 08 2014 10:57 GMT
#2916
On January 08 2014 18:34 Disregard wrote:
You have to consider that parsons was a 2nd round pick on the bottom, but he's going to be a hefty price tag but a freaking total bargain when Rockets acquired him.


he's going to be PAID, the question is do we pick up the team option or not...he'll get 13+ easy i reckon

On January 08 2014 16:31 Dogfoodboy16 wrote:
Why do the Sacramento Kings only play well against Top Teams? They Beat the Blazers and the Heat but lose to the Bobcats...Somebody needs to get their shit together.


they also beat the rockets twice =[
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9175 Posts
January 08 2014 12:18 GMT
#2917
On January 08 2014 16:31 Dogfoodboy16 wrote:
Why do the Sacramento Kings only play well against Top Teams? They Beat the Blazers and the Heat but lose to the Bobcats...Somebody needs to get their shit together.

Best way to tank, keep your fanbase happy by going all out to knock off the occasional contender whilst losing to the other bad teams you're competing with to maintain a terrible record.
Yhamm is the god of predictions
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13430 Posts
January 08 2014 12:31 GMT
#2918
That last quarter of the Kings v Blazers sucked balls considering 89 points were scored. Just FT, FT, FT.

And it wasn't the refs fault--guys just kept committing really dumb fouls.

Looks like the gloss is starting to wear a bit on the Blazers.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
January 08 2014 12:46 GMT
#2919
On January 08 2014 21:18 Scarecrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2014 16:31 Dogfoodboy16 wrote:
Why do the Sacramento Kings only play well against Top Teams? They Beat the Blazers and the Heat but lose to the Bobcats...Somebody needs to get their shit together.

Best way to tank, keep your fanbase happy by going all out to knock off the occasional contender whilst losing to the other bad teams you're competing with to maintain a terrible record.

I think it's more mental and bad attitude than it is a deliberate tankjob on the players part.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16125 Posts
January 08 2014 14:04 GMT
#2920
On January 08 2014 21:31 RowdierBob wrote:
That last quarter of the Kings v Blazers sucked balls considering 89 points were scored. Just FT, FT, FT.

And it wasn't the refs fault--guys just kept committing really dumb fouls.

Looks like the gloss is starting to wear a bit on the Blazers.


Season's a Marathon, not a sprint and the Blazer lack of bench depth is starting to wear them down.

Even if they're winning they aren't playing the same kind of quality ball they were 2 months ago. Be interesting to see what happens to them in February and March.

Not that I'm doubting them, I'm genuinely curious to see how they play.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
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