EPTNBA 2013-14 Season - Page 145
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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AxionSteel
United States7754 Posts
On January 07 2014 17:39 DystopiaX wrote: I'd ideally want him on a contender whose biggest problem is defense- I think Clips first, maybe the Warriors. . The warriors defense is one of the best in the league. Although I'd still prefer Thibs, just sayin! | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13029 Posts
The D-League could be better entertainment. | ||
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Doraemon
Australia14949 Posts
On January 07 2014 18:45 zulu_nation8 wrote: what's the point of making playoffs this year as an east team? Do 1st/2nd round teams make a lot more money or something? i'd assume extra attendances, more tv money? must be some corporate incentives there. | ||
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sc4k
United Kingdom5454 Posts
I read this and now I'm just more confused: http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/86940/the-nbas-possible-solution-for-tanking-good-bye-to-the-lottery-hello-to-the-wheel I have to say that one thing that strikes me as fairly bizarre is how short the NBA players' contracts are. Is that the result of some player/team bargaining down the line somewhere? Correct me if I'm wrong but these top draft picks get signed to 3 year contracts right? Perhaps that would be a reasonable point to start, if you really wanted to enforce some sort of parity system...rather than having the small market teams who get their hands on a top player be simply 'holding stations' until that player can get away to a big name team. Essentially it seems that baseball and basketball are behaving more like European soccer than the way the draft system seems to be supposed to behave - i.e. the haves and have-nots. I don't know about NHL but I think that the NFL is pretty good in respect of this issue. The way basketball works is kind of depressing when considered in this light. It's like, you get the worst of both worlds. Teams can throw their weight around in terms of money and prestige, but top players are still forced into this artificial funnel of playing for random teams for three years. It's like, if you consider the basic concept of the draft system + salary capping to be communism, and the way most soccer is run to be straight ahead capitalism, then basketball is in some sort of painful China-esque situation where it's sort of moved away from capitalism but it still has these communist quirks. I for one think that the communist system is great, and fair and best to fans. I don't like seeing it eroded in American sports. But things like tanking are of course the horrifying downside to it lol! If there is one thing you can say about the European soccer system, every single team is desperate for being even one point in the rankings higher. | ||
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MilesTeg
France1271 Posts
On January 07 2014 19:50 RowdierBob wrote: There is going to be some super ugly games after the All-Starr break when teams really hit their tanking straps. The D-League could be better entertainment. Until they actually start shooting in the opponent's basket. Then we'll get the grittiest, toughest, most competitive basketball the East has ever seen. | ||
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Disregard
China10252 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
I'd actually prefer an OSL format of picking your opponent in the playoffs or something  @Doraemon: Players are the largest expense for the owners. They only get paid their contract amounts during the regular season. They get a playoff Per Diem which is obviously smaller than the hundred thousand dollar checks written every 2 weeks. So the post season is a "pure profit" and marketing bonanza for the teams. Also looks very nice when you want to triple your investment and sell the team years down the line. A perennial post season franchise? Sign me up! | ||
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FreedomMurder
Canada200 Posts
On January 07 2014 18:45 zulu_nation8 wrote: what's the point of making playoffs this year as an east team? Do 1st/2nd round teams make a lot more money or something? Developing a culture of winning for an organization can sometimes be just an important as a high draft pick. Whats the point of attaining a high draft pick if your player comes into a situation with no veteran leadership and a team full of bad habit goon ball. You need to establish that your team will play the game the right way, hard nosed team basketball. At the end of the day basketball is a business, the Cavaliers can't just keep being shit because then Kyrie will leave. They need to make progress because they have already assembled a core of young players. Luol Deng will bring a lot of wisdom and veteran leadership to a team that desperately needs it. Also $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ | ||
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kidleaderr
363 Posts
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FreedomMurder
Canada200 Posts
On January 08 2014 02:01 kidleaderr wrote: 30 million for 3 years is definitely a low ball offer from Bulls management and a slap in the face to deng. his market worth is anywhere between 12-13 million and it makes sense he rejected it. Do you think he will resign with Cavs at the end of the season or test the free agent market? | ||
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
On January 08 2014 02:01 kidleaderr wrote: 30 million for 3 years is definitely a low ball offer from Bulls management and a slap in the face to deng. his market worth is anywhere between 12-13 million and it makes sense he rejected it. Exactly what I thought. Definite slap in the face after the alleged bad job their docs did with him also. Plus he has been a trooper for them through all his injuries, etc. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
edit: IMO anything over $12mil/year is probably too much (depends on his play ofc). | ||
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AppleSauce123
Denmark148 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On January 08 2014 03:46 MassHysteria wrote: Agreed. If you only offer him 10million, you aren't really intending to resign him. It's a slap in the face to release that publicly like they did. They just wanted that out there to make it easier to trade him a few days later (with their fans mostly). edit: IMO anything over $12mil/year is probably too much (depends on his play ofc). Its not about a slap in the face, its about the FACT that in the NBA, to win big, you need to have several players who are underpaid on your team. Luol Deng at 10 mil a year is underpaid, but you can't really win with him at a number where he is properly paid (unless you have several other underpaid players). Derrik Rose used to be very underpaid on his rookie contract, however now he is probably properly paid (when healthy), much like Boozer (who might be slightly overpaid). If Rose plays like MVP Rose again, he will be slightly underpaid, but one slightly underpaid player does not make a championship contender. Just as examples: Heat: James, Wade (significatnly underpaid), Allen, Anderson (slightly underpaid), rest basically properly paid. Spurs: Duncan, Parker, Leonard (underpaid), Ginobili, Green, Diaw (slightly underpaid). Its all about cheating your players out of money. One way is with max contract players who deserve much more than that cap (Heat model), the other is to combine vets who accept a paycut with rookie contracts and late bloomers on team-favorable contracts (Spurs model). | ||
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
On January 08 2014 13:53 cLutZ wrote: Its not about a slap in the face, its about the FACT that in the NBA, to win big, you need to have several players who are underpaid on your team. Ginobili, Green, Diaw (slightly underpaid). You can capitalize fact all you want but none of those guys are underpaid. Ginobili's latest contract is well above what the market would pay and the other two would be mediocre/bad on other teams. It's all about getting the most out of the players you have and running a good system. A lot of players only seem underpaid/overpaid because of the teams they're in eg. Monta with the bucks or mavs | ||
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