EPTNBA 2013-14 Season - Page 115
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On December 11 2013 13:06 jmbthirteen wrote: See I just don't consider this to be a highly evolved offense, but rather evolved offensive players. Don't get me wrong, the Heat are a fantastic offensive team. But going through that article and watching the Heat play, I don't see this remarkable offensive design. I see a few elite players that are fantastic at the game of basketball and role players who know their place. Only 5ish teams really have a shot at winning the title this year, its not really fair to compare any of those teams to the rest of the NBA in pretty much any regard. And this "highly evolved" offense was just held to 84 points against the best defense. Highly evolved is just a really dumb way of saying the Heat have a pretty damn good offense. Ball movement and screens aren't highly evolved, they are basketball. The Heat are just really good at basketball. So then there is no such thing as a highly evolved offense, in your opinion? How do you differentiate between teams that score a lot of points but don't get good looks and teams that score a lot of points through good looks? Or rather, what makes a "good offense" for you? Cause the Spurs are only 12th in scoring, while the Clippers are 5th, and I'd argue the Spurs's offense is better. | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On December 11 2013 13:24 Jibba wrote: So then there is no such thing as a highly evolved offense, in your opinion? How do you differentiate between teams that score a lot of points but don't get good looks and teams that score a lot of points through good looks? Or rather, what makes a "good offense" for you? Cause the Spurs are only 12th in scoring, while the Clippers are 5th, and I'd argue the Spurs's offense is better. Are the Heat doing anything revolutionary? No. Thats why I don't consider it highly evolved. They aren't doing anything original. They are playing sound basketball at a very high level. Of course scoring is only a part of it. Pace of game greatly effects scoring, whether you have a good offense or not. Thats why the Clippers score so much. They run a lot. Efficiency is a huge part. In simple FG%, the Spurs are only second to Miami. Once again, highly evolved is just a terrible way to put it. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16121 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
http://www.sacbee.com/2013/12/10/5990010/gays-talent-trumps-analytics-for.html Really not sure how Cousins/Gay/Williams will work out but I gotta watch | ||
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Disregard
China10252 Posts
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AxionSteel
United States7754 Posts
I think he's sunk to new lows this season, but yeh. Good Luck to the Kings, if they can somehow turn him into an effective player I will have major respect for them. I doubt it though, he seems quite delusional. After going an astonishing 11-37 against Houston, he was like "the whole league is struggling, we, as a league have to figure out how to score better". okayyyy | ||
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Erandorr
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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XaI)CyRiC
United States4471 Posts
On offense, I think he'd be most effective playing like Paul George last season, with lots of off-ball movement and minimal dribbling. He should be put in positions to catch-and-shoot or dribble no more than once or twice before shooting, and finishing around the basket. His biggest problem on offense has been his tendency to stop the ball, but that can be minimized if he's put in positions to score instead having to do any creating for himself. Maybe Boogie and IT can help with that, but I have my doubts since they're both shoot-first types. On defense, he has the physical tools to be a good defender, and it'll come down to focus and effort. Sadly, I don't think SAC is the right team to put him in a position to succeed on that end, but hopefully he can at least tread water and show himself capable of being a positive contributor on that end. I think Gay gets an undeserved amount of hate since it wasn't his fault he was given a contract that far outweighed his on-court value. His goal should be to re-invent himself and repair his reputation with the hope of being signed or traded to another team. I don't think SAC is the right place for him since there's no one to set him up on offense and the defense is a mess. Gay would likely do best on a team with a well-established system that he can become a cog in, but those are usually contenders and he'll need to first show he can be an effective 3rd option kind of guy. | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
That said, he's got all the physical tools people want. It's mostly a matter of shot selection, passing and more consistent effort on defense. There's no reason he can't have a heavy impact on the Kings, without being their leading scorer/shot taker. That's what I'm hoping to see. I think his defensive effort was also dramatically better on the Grizz. I'm not sure he cared on the Raptors. | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
 Speaking of Leonard... a few pages ago someone asked "who the fuck is Amir Johnson?" Turns out he's Leonard's executioner. | ||
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AxionSteel
United States7754 Posts
On December 11 2013 17:30 krndandaman wrote: Rudy Gay awful on the grizzlies? I remember him being considered a star and top 5 SF iirc. His value definitely went down the last 2 seasons or so but people held him in high regard afaik back then. correct me if I'm wrong tho May be a tad harsh. Unsure about his first few years, but I strongly believe he made the grizzlies considerably worse the last couple, that's the only time i've watched him regularly, and everyone said it was a great trade for the grizzlies to get rid of him. Ofc it was also a matter of him not really being a good fit on that team either, with the way they like to play and personnel they had/have. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13418 Posts
He could be a good player in the right system. Kind of how Monta has turned things around at Dallas. | ||
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icystorage
Jollibee19350 Posts
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RowdierBob
Australia13418 Posts
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