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On April 29 2014 00:19 MaGic~PhiL wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2014 00:11 sharkie wrote:On April 29 2014 00:08 MaGic~PhiL wrote:On April 28 2014 23:30 Mensol wrote:
Please dont dare to compare Mourinho with Pep. Pep still needs 20x more years to be as good as Mourinho. First of all, he need to win CL with Porto-level teams. Then we can compare them.
Mourinho's rivals are Diego Simeone and Klopp, and these guys are top 3. Barely no one won the CL with a Porto-level team. So there you have it. Mourinho is clear number 1 and absolutely untouchable. Bullshit. Pep will never have the opportunity to prove himself with a 'bad' team because he started at Barca and now is at another world wide respected team arguably top5 ever. Klopp is indeed doing amazing work as is Diego Simeone. Still especially Simeone just recently does as well as he does right now. Before Atletico was a mediocre team posting acceptable results. This year is exceptional and you can not take it as granted this will happen so soon again (title race + cl semifinal). So well overall your post is rather .. Pep is one of the best and most dedicated coaches. Mourinho has proven himself to such an extent that no one can deny how good he ist. Klopp and Simeone are the young guns and are superb coaches. But im sure they would struggle at barca, madrid, Bayern or a top premier league team. BvB is the perfect fit for klopp right now and vice versa. Same for simeone. oh well What makes you think that Klopp would struggle at big clubs? the environment, the pressure (BvB is very happy with reaching the Champions League and they would have been fine with just coming out of the group stages, too) Reaching the QF and the FInal last year is such a huge achievement but no one expectet it and no one DEMANDED(!) it. Look at Barca, Real Madrid (!) , Bayern Munich or Chelsea / Cit / Manu Bayern winning the Championship and DFB Pokal whilst not winning the CL again .. guess what? The fans and the staff and basicaly everyone will see this as a mediocre season. For BvB winning the DFB and the cmapionship would be A- AMAZING! Thats the difference summed up in a few sentences. Thats how sick the pressure is at such clubs. Klopp also would have a lot more other duties and a lot more people who would interfere with his work at the above mentioned clubs compared to Dortmund. I would not say Klopp wouldnt achieve something with Coach of RM, FCBayern, FCBarcelona or a big english team. All im saying: Klopp and BvB is the perfect fit (well have to see what the future brings) He had and has time to form a squad. No big pressure. Reaching the CL and maybe getting to the DFB Pokal final and doing well (normaly for BvB standards that was getting out of the group stage) was all BvB really demanded. That is changing and will change, too. But as i said.. the pressure in those mentioned teams is something entirely different. Not saying he wouldnt do well there just saying you cannot compare it and BvB + Klopp is the perfect fit right now.
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On April 29 2014 00:11 Pandemona wrote:
Well he hasn't built a team yet though has he. Mourinho built his inter side then got out at the right time. He did just about enough with his Real Madrid side (won the league with some records and stop the dominance of Barca) and he did exceptionally well at building a stupidly strong squad at Chelsea which we have had success off for well over 10 years. Pep left Barca and they have gotten a lot worst since he left. Not as bad as the Mourinho leaving Inter worst but still they have just gone backwards to say the least.
He hasn't improved Bayern this year, HOWEVER i do admit it is his first season outside of Barca and in a league which is VERY different to La Liga, i'd like to see what he does next season with them.
Simeone has taken a slightly above average squad with a great goal scorer to potentially a champions league final and a league win over Real Madrid and Barcelona.
Klopp has made Dortmund a decent and attractive footballing outlet on limited funds also. Again reaching champions league final and stopping Bayern dominance.
I wouldn't like to say who the "best" is, but for me out of every manager in the game im glad with the on Chelsea have because it is a good fit. Im sure Barca would love Pep back as they too think he is the perfect fit, but it looks like the club isn't run as well as Pep would like so he had to leave. Or maybe he just wanted another challenge.
Thinking about it i wouldn't even know where to begin these days with a power ranking of managers. I mean the 4 we have discussed are about the only 4 i can think of?
From Wiki
Upon being appointed, Guardiola revealed that Ronaldinho, Deco, Samuel Eto'o and others were not part of his plans for the coming season. By the time of the announcement, Guardiola had already offloaded full back Gianluca Zambrotta to AC Milan, attacking midfielder Giovani dos Santos to Tottenham Hotspur, and midfielder Edmílson to Villarreal CF.[19] Deco went to Chelsea, while Ronaldinho joined Zambrotta in Milan. Lilian Thuram was initially going to join Paris Saint-Germain on a free transfer but the discovery of a heart condition put a stop to the move, and the veteran retired to tend to his health. Oleguer Presas signed with AFC Ajax, Santiago Ezquerro was released by Barça and Marc Crosas was sold to Celtic. The fate of Samuel Eto'o took much of the summer to unravel, with the Cameroonian linked with several clubs, but Guardiola finally declared that he would stay after his dedication in training and participation in the pre-season.
In association with Barça director of sport, Txiki Begiristain, several new signings were made by Guardiola — Dani Alves and Seydou Keita arrived from Sevilla FC; Martín Cáceres from Villarreal CF by way of Recreativo de Huelva; Gerard Piqué returned from Manchester United; and Alexander Hleb was signed from Arsenal. Henrique was also signed from Palmeiras, but was immediately loaned out to Bayer Leverkusen.[20] In interviews with the press, Guardiola stressed a harder work ethic than before, but also a more personal approach during training and a closer relationship with his players. Along with the new signings, Guardiola promoted canteranos Sergio Busquets, Pedro Rodríguez and Jeffrén Suárez to the first team squad.
He did build a squad, Xavi wasn't really as known under Rijkaard as he is now.
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On April 29 2014 00:04 RvB wrote:
What do Simeone and Klopp even have on Guardiola. Guardiola won the champions league twice in 4 years with the first CL win being part of the treble and this was in his first year as a coach. He hasn't placed lower than the semi finals in the CL yet, that's ridiculous.
The only thing Mourinho really has on Guardiola is winning the CL with Porto like you mentioned.
Simeone and Klopp created their "own" team. Same goes for Mourinho, what he created at Chelsea is fantastic.
They arent become champions with someone's team (Rijkaard's team, and Jupp's/LVG's team). Not the mention that Pep always have/had best teams in the world. (Barca and Bayern atm).
On April 29 2014 00:08 MaGic~PhiL wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2014 23:30 Mensol wrote:
Please dont dare to compare Mourinho with Pep. Pep still needs 20x more years to be as good as Mourinho. First of all, he need to win CL with Porto-level teams. Then we can compare them.
Mourinho's rivals are Diego Simeone and Klopp, and these guys are top 3. Barely no one won the CL with a Porto-level team. So there you have it. Mourinho is clear number 1 and absolutely untouchable. Bullshit.
It's not bullshit, It's reality.
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Then Van Gaal would be on the same level and he's not.
edit: If it's about winning with a Porto level team that is.
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Rodgers is also a top manager I think although we have to see liverpool in the cl next season.
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Can we stop making mou's porto win like it was a miracle?
Go wiki their final squad and then tell me that they were weak if you can.
Also Monaco was the other finalist in case you forgot.
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Who beat Chelsea in the semi finals thanks to fucking Morientes xD the fucker!
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On April 29 2014 00:31 Steveling wrote:
Rodgers is also a top manager I think although we have to see liverpool in the cl next season.
Liverpool will collapse next season because they have the depth of a teaspoon.
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lol now they hate each other  and Mourinho hate Barca more than anything.
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The EPL team of the year is interesting
The bundesliga team would be rather easy: Bayern + Reus and Lewandowski
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Tickets for the Liverpool - Newcastle game (last match of the season) are reaching prices of around 26k pounds on the black market...
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On April 29 2014 00:11 Pandemona wrote:
Well he hasn't built a team yet though has he. Mourinho built his inter side then got out at the right time. He did just about enough with his Real Madrid side (won the league with some records and stop the dominance of Barca) and he did exceptionally well at building a stupidly strong squad at Chelsea which we have had success off for well over 10 years. Pep left Barca and they have gotten a lot worst since he left. Not as bad as the Mourinho leaving Inter worst but still they have just gone backwards to say the least.
He hasn't improved Bayern this year, HOWEVER i do admit it is his first season outside of Barca and in a league which is VERY different to La Liga, i'd like to see what he does next season with them.
Simeone has taken a slightly above average squad with a great goal scorer to potentially a champions league final and a league win over Real Madrid and Barcelona.
Klopp has made Dortmund a decent and attractive footballing outlet on limited funds also. Again reaching champions league final and stopping Bayern dominance.
I wouldn't like to say who the "best" is, but for me out of every manager in the game im glad with the on Chelsea have because it is a good fit. Im sure Barca would love Pep back as they too think he is the perfect fit, but it looks like the club isn't run as well as Pep would like so he had to leave. Or maybe he just wanted another challenge.
Thinking about it i wouldn't even know where to begin these days with a power ranking of managers. I mean the 4 we have discussed are about the only 4 i can think of?
I disagree that he hasn´t improved Bayern this year. The amount of variability with rotating 4-6 players every game all season long with a lot of injuries was and is very impressive. The goals scored due to the system and tactic instead of raw individual skill is way higher.
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I am Bayern fan and I can say that they haven't improved this year. Every game with ~80% possession means nothing and I dont like to watch this way of football. Heynckes offered a lot better entertaining football. Bayern showed a lot more dominance at CL last year.
Bundesliga points means nothing, doesnt matter if you have 90 or 91 points with ~20points lead to 2nd.
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On April 29 2014 02:08 Micro_Jackson wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2014 00:11 Pandemona wrote:
Well he hasn't built a team yet though has he. Mourinho built his inter side then got out at the right time. He did just about enough with his Real Madrid side (won the league with some records and stop the dominance of Barca) and he did exceptionally well at building a stupidly strong squad at Chelsea which we have had success off for well over 10 years. Pep left Barca and they have gotten a lot worst since he left. Not as bad as the Mourinho leaving Inter worst but still they have just gone backwards to say the least.
He hasn't improved Bayern this year, HOWEVER i do admit it is his first season outside of Barca and in a league which is VERY different to La Liga, i'd like to see what he does next season with them.
Simeone has taken a slightly above average squad with a great goal scorer to potentially a champions league final and a league win over Real Madrid and Barcelona.
Klopp has made Dortmund a decent and attractive footballing outlet on limited funds also. Again reaching champions league final and stopping Bayern dominance.
I wouldn't like to say who the "best" is, but for me out of every manager in the game im glad with the on Chelsea have because it is a good fit. Im sure Barca would love Pep back as they too think he is the perfect fit, but it looks like the club isn't run as well as Pep would like so he had to leave. Or maybe he just wanted another challenge.
Thinking about it i wouldn't even know where to begin these days with a power ranking of managers. I mean the 4 we have discussed are about the only 4 i can think of? I disagree that he hasn´t improved Bayern this year. The amount of variability with rotating 4-6 players every game all season long with a lot of injuries was and is very impressive. The goals scored due to the system and tactic instead of raw individual skill is way higher.
Bayern haven't improved in any way tactically.
Heynkes could play Pep's possession game AND play with under 50% possession and counter attack like a beast (vs Arsenal and Barcelona)
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On April 28 2014 20:19 BeaTeR wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2014 20:14 Pandemona wrote:As it hasn't been posted yet. PFA Player of the Year award - Luis SuarezPFA Young Player of the Year award - Eden HazardTeam of the Year![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/cN6Ncs1.jpg) No idea how no JT in that back 4, no idea ;_; agree JT deserves a spot in this team Some stats here, dunno the source though + Show Spoiler +
i was actually wondering if Luke Shaw is that good. I know being young and english helps when you have amazing season...
I made some research so we can know who the real best left back in PL this season
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On April 29 2014 01:50 MapleLeafSirup wrote:
The EPL team of the year is interesting
The bundesliga team would be rather easy: Bayern + Reus and Lewandowski
Andre Hahn dude!
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Pandemona
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On April 29 2014 02:33 BeaTeR wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2014 20:19 BeaTeR wrote:On April 28 2014 20:14 Pandemona wrote:As it hasn't been posted yet. PFA Player of the Year award - Luis SuarezPFA Young Player of the Year award - Eden HazardTeam of the Year No idea how no JT in that back 4, no idea ;_; agree JT deserves a spot in this team Some stats here, dunno the source though + Show Spoiler + i was actually wondering if Luke Shaw is that good. I know being young and english helps when you have amazing season... I made some research so we can know who the real best left back in PL this season + Show Spoiler +
We see next season when he is Chelsea player 
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On April 28 2014 17:58 zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2014 08:23 Mensol wrote:
lol sharkie you made me laugh :d
If Liverpool loses PL this year then i can't see them winning for at least five years. Yanited will be stronger without Moyes next season, it'll be much harder in the next season. The only reason Liverpool has a chance this year is because they only played the PL and nothing else.
Neither did Aston Villa smh
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On April 29 2014 03:02 Pads wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2014 17:58 zeo wrote:On April 28 2014 08:23 Mensol wrote:
lol sharkie you made me laugh :d
If Liverpool loses PL this year then i can't see them winning for at least five years. Yanited will be stronger without Moyes next season, it'll be much harder in the next season. The only reason Liverpool has a chance this year is because they only played the PL and nothing else. Neither did Aston Villa smh + Show Spoiler +
I dont think its a good idea to compare Liverpool with Aston Villa. Liverpool's roster(282.000.000 €) costs 3x more than Aston Villa's roster(99.500.000 €). I also started to think that Liverpool going down next season because we dont know if Suarez, Sturridge and Sterling can give same performance.
I want to see Arsenal doing well cuz Özil is there, i hope they sign a striker who doesnt waste Özil's assists.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
On April 29 2014 03:43 Mensol wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2014 03:02 Pads wrote:On April 28 2014 17:58 zeo wrote:On April 28 2014 08:23 Mensol wrote:
lol sharkie you made me laugh :d
If Liverpool loses PL this year then i can't see them winning for at least five years. Yanited will be stronger without Moyes next season, it'll be much harder in the next season. The only reason Liverpool has a chance this year is because they only played the PL and nothing else. Neither did Aston Villa smh + Show Spoiler + I dont think its a good idea to compare Liverpool with Aston Villa. Liverpool's roster(282.000.000 €) costs 3x more than Aston Villa's roster(99.500.000 €). I also started to think that Liverpool going down next season because we dont know if Suarez, Sturridge and Sterling can give same performance. I want to see Arsenal doing well cuz Özil is there, i hope they sign a striker who doesnt waste Özil's assists.
Potential moves are;
Suarez goes to Real Madrid for £100million
Benzema goes to Arsenal for £35million
So many empty seats at Emirates
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