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On April 28 2014 08:12 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2014 07:40 Rebs wrote:On April 28 2014 01:45 Otolia wrote:On April 28 2014 01:40 Rebs wrote:On April 28 2014 00:58 WillyWanker wrote:On April 28 2014 00:37 Pandemona wrote:Yeah Neville were saying and i think i mentioned it once or twice, Liverpool have Plan A....and thats it. They needed a different approach to when a team can defend in front of them. Oh well. Mourinho also laying into Jamie Redknapp in his after match report ^_^ Those two really don't like eachother  This whole "plan A" stuff is getting annoying. At least they have a plan A... Yea its such a load of bullshit. Especially since no one really knows what the fuck they mean by Plan A and Plan B or they come up with some BS tactical adjustment that makes sense in hindsight. At the end of the day if a team parks the bus there is no Plan B, hindsight is 20 20 and when stuff doesnt work the armchair experts come out with the same shit, "dont know how to break teams down that defend with 10" They know exactly how to do it the same way they do it every other week. Its just really really hard. If you give me a 200 million something squad i can make them park the Bus to, watch some film, setup matchups, pickout player tedencies, and then spend the week playing upto the game playing 10s in your half to get comfortable with it. Its the same thing Sam Allardyce does and Mourinho does it no differently, he just has better players to do it with Teams play with an identity, Mourinho teams have none, that is why Madrid hated him. That is also why his teams lose to shittier teams because they dont have an identity but can deflect teams that refuse to throw theirs away. Thats not to say he cant give teams an identity, he just chooses not to because that gets in the way of him playing the percentages of what he needs to do to win. And when it comes to big games, he sure can win, and winning is nice and all but my God for the neutral its such a drag and it sucks for football in general Its the same reason shit players like Lleyton Hewitt who have 0 weapons would win Grandslams a decade back, simple counter punching + Show Spoiler +(thank God tennis doesnt reward that shit anymore)
But it works so thats that. But please enough with this BS about plan B's. As much as I would have liked for Liverpool to play for the draw I wouldve have also lost a fair bit of respect for them. Mourinho's teams have a clear identity : Do whatever you need to win. No, its do whatever to not lose, and see where you go from there.. And I very specifically said that for the neutral its a drag, for football in general its a drag, I personally dont mind it since atleast one team is always out to win the game. Its when both teams have the same idea (i.e Atleti v Chelsea) that you realise how bad it is for football if everyone played not to lose You can throw scorelines all you want but if switching to Big Sam tactics because you dont have belief in your players is what is a "winning" strategy I am afraid thats very off. I repeat its a way to not lose, its smash and grab. Ofcourse if I support the team I dont care how they win, but I dont support any of these teams and I want to enjoy the game, and I am not alone in that sentiment. Does it matter to specific sets of fans ? Probably not. But it matters to football. + Show Spoiler +Infact as that smug ass who passes one liners pointed out Liverpool fans dont care about my respect and I dont want them to. Which is why i pointed out they were naive and shouldve just played Mou's game. But obviously Sharkie as usual just trolling with his "im horny for Mou" one liners. Stop being an ass dude, to me and other people. I know you get your panties wet whenever Mourinhos so much as breathes but atleast contribute something.
Its a glorified Catennacio and we all know how successful that was so Im not saying you cant win that way but Catenaccio does nothing for football, it doesnt attract anyone to football, for the neutral it was a load of shit. I mean its so fucking stupid to say ohh look Mourinho so clever, he has plan B's I mean come the fuck on, theres 2 ways to play, attack or defend. If you defend then what other fucking plan is your opponent going to have ? Heres the answer, they attack. Does that translate to goal threats? Not all the time because the whole point of the game is one team ensuring they dont have any. Then you get Atleti Chelsea and both teams play Defend.. o noes what plan do we use now ? Tactical adjustments within a style of play is one thing. But not having one at all and operating your team through "shots in the arm" is why I call him a "5 hour energy manager" just like Van Gaal but more successful and with less penchant for flair in his teams. I am not horny for mourinho nor do I wear panties
O sorry, Kagawa, my bad...
On April 28 2014 08:23 Mensol wrote:
lol sharkie you made me laugh :d
Look who popped up..
+ Show Spoiler +get some more people together and you can start your own parade
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On April 28 2014 10:24 Kkxtrouble wrote:
Although I'm not a particular fan of Mourinho I think people sometimes are unfair to him. For examle, in 2011-2012 season RM scored 121 goal, a league record, that is almost 3,2 goals per game.
Ofc rm scored a lot of goals in random games.
What matters is how mou chose to play against strong teams.
Against barca for example, in his very first clasico iirc he must have thought "oh boy, I finally have a squad able to rival barca, I will show them now".
He tried to play ball with them and Pep annihilated him 5-0.
He lost that badly because mou is not a good coach when it comes to taking control of the game.
After that, in nearly all clasicos that followed he played defencively and urged his players to play rough.
That's not a plan B, that's him being bad and retreating to what he knows best. Destroying football.
He only got a cup and a league win in 3 years managing this beastly rm side.
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On April 28 2014 13:35 GTR wrote:
And this is why i love him as my manager :D
So much passion and he loves the club he is at, makes it all the more glorious when he says he is here to stay
Doesn't want any other job just this one.
Also disgraceful scenes in Spain with the banana throwing, i mean wtf he isn't even fucking black ffs. Props to Alves for doing what he did when it happened but come on thats awful scenes. I watched it live, the only bit of the game i watched and i was just thinking wow...this shit still happens in Spain too....
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On April 28 2014 08:23 Mensol wrote:
lol sharkie you made me laugh :d
If Liverpool loses PL this year then i can't see them winning for at least five years. Yanited will be stronger without Moyes next season, it'll be much harder in the next season.
The only reason Liverpool has a chance this year is because they only played the PL and nothing else.
I would never suggest eating random bananas that come from the stands, who knows what they will start putting in them once they see players are eating them.
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On April 28 2014 13:21 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2014 10:24 Kkxtrouble wrote:
Although I'm not a particular fan of Mourinho I think people sometimes are unfair to him. For examle, in 2011-2012 season RM scored 121 goal, a league record, that is almost 3,2 goals per game. Ofc rm scored a lot of goals in random games. What matters is how mou chose to play against strong teams. Against barca for example, in his very first clasico iirc he must have thought "oh boy, I finally have a squad able to rival barca, I will show them now". He tried to play ball with them and Pep annihilated him 5-0. He lost that badly because mou is not a good coach when it comes to taking control of the game. After that, in nearly all clasicos that followed he played defencively and urged his players to play rough. That's not a plan B, that's him being bad and retreating to what he knows best. Destroying football. He only got a cup and a league win in 3 years managing this beastly rm side.
You realize Mourinho only plays that way away from home right?
We beat Liverpool City Yanited Arsenal Spurs at home playing the opposite of how we did away to those teams? He doesn't park the bus at home against anyone in the premier league. Over 2 legs he might do it in the champions league for sure.
Chelsea 2-1 over City when they were in free scoring form i might add stats were;
55% possession City
12 Shots 4 on target Chelsea
15 Shots 6 on target City
3 corners vs 6
11 fouls vs 16
Like i say Mourinho does this away from home against the top sides only or vs side he thinks can hurt them.
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On April 28 2014 20:14 Pandemona wrote:As it hasn't been posted yet. PFA Player of the Year award - Luis SuarezPFA Young Player of the Year award - Eden HazardTeam of the Year![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/cN6Ncs1.jpg) No idea how no JT in that back 4, no idea ;_;
agree JT deserves a spot in this team
Some stats here, dunno the source though
![[image loading]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmQF9ZbIQAA4AQx.png)
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On April 28 2014 20:14 Pandemona wrote:As it hasn't been posted yet. PFA Player of the Year award - Luis SuarezPFA Young Player of the Year award - Eden HazardTeam of the Year No idea how no JT in that back 4, no idea ;_;
Ramsey deserves to be in that team as well :/
Still more accurate than UEFA and FIFAs best XI's lol
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On April 28 2014 20:57 ZeroChrome wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2014 20:14 Pandemona wrote:As it hasn't been posted yet. PFA Player of the Year award - Luis SuarezPFA Young Player of the Year award - Eden HazardTeam of the Year No idea how no JT in that back 4, no idea ;_; Ramsey deserves to be in that team as well :/ Still more accurate than UEFA and FIFAs best XI's lol
First time no Man Utd player in the PFA team in 20 years xD
And yeah i think Ramsey buggered his chances up with injuries, but i agree he should of made it instead of Lallana then as i said JT > Kompany this season by a long shot.
On April 28 2014 20:19 BeaTeR wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2014 20:14 Pandemona wrote:As it hasn't been posted yet. PFA Player of the Year award - Luis SuarezPFA Young Player of the Year award - Eden HazardTeam of the Year No idea how no JT in that back 4, no idea ;_; agree JT deserves a spot in this team Some stats here, dunno the source though + Show Spoiler +
Da fuck stats xD
On April 28 2014 20:23 3point14 wrote:![[image loading]](http://image-upload.de/image/mhiiiO/da6baf5c15.jpg) 
Bad pack 
gogo post more :3
Oh wait you got Brazil badge, gg! Thats good!
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If Mourinho did one thing well this season it's playing to Terry's strength. Dunno if he deserves to be there though don't watch enough games for that.
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I guess maybe individually JT isn't as good as Kompany due to lack of pace, but together their is no doubt Cahill and JT are the best this season in the premiership. Thats why they made the Neville/Carragher team of year. Interesting.
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distin / jags pretty soild too. ;>
chelsea defense has been de bes' though...
seamus goalman getting his due.
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On April 28 2014 13:21 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2014 10:24 Kkxtrouble wrote:
Although I'm not a particular fan of Mourinho I think people sometimes are unfair to him. For examle, in 2011-2012 season RM scored 121 goal, a league record, that is almost 3,2 goals per game. Ofc rm scored a lot of goals in random games. What matters is how mou chose to play against strong teams. Against barca for example, in his very first clasico iirc he must have thought "oh boy, I finally have a squad able to rival barca, I will show them now". He tried to play ball with them and Pep annihilated him 5-0. He lost that badly because mou is not a good coach when it comes to taking control of the game. After that, in nearly all clasicos that followed he played defencively and urged his players to play rough. That's not a plan B, that's him being bad and retreating to what he knows best. Destroying football. He only got a cup and a league win in 3 years managing this beastly rm side.
Please dont dare to compare Mourinho with Pep. Pep still needs 20x more years to be as good as Mourinho. First of all, he need to win CL with Porto-level teams. Then we can compare them.
Mourinho's rivals are Diego Simeone and Klopp, and these guys are top 3.
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What do Simeone and Klopp even have on Guardiola. Guardiola won the champions league twice in 4 years with the first CL win being part of the treble and this was in his first year as a coach. He hasn't placed lower than the semi finals in the CL yet, that's ridiculous.
The only thing Mourinho really has on Guardiola is winning the CL with Porto like you mentioned.
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On April 28 2014 23:30 Mensol wrote:
Please dont dare to compare Mourinho with Pep. Pep still needs 20x more years to be as good as Mourinho. First of all, he need to win CL with Porto-level teams. Then we can compare them.
Mourinho's rivals are Diego Simeone and Klopp, and these guys are top 3.
Barely no one won the CL with a Porto-level team. So there you have it. Mourinho is clear number 1 and absolutely untouchable. Bullshit.
Pep will never have the opportunity to prove himself with a 'bad' team because he started at Barca and now is at another world wide respected team arguably top5 ever.
Klopp is indeed doing amazing work as is Diego Simeone. Still especially Simeone just recently does as well as he does right now. Before Atletico was a mediocre team posting acceptable results. This year is exceptional and you can not take it as granted this will happen so soon again (title race + cl semifinal).
So well overall your post is rather ..
Pep is one of the best and most dedicated coaches. Mourinho has proven himself to such an extent that no one can deny how good he ist.
Klopp and Simeone are the young guns and are superb coaches. But im sure they would struggle at barca, madrid, Bayern or a top premier league team.
BvB is the perfect fit for klopp right now and vice versa. Same for simeone.
oh well
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On April 29 2014 00:08 MaGic~PhiL wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2014 23:30 Mensol wrote:
Please dont dare to compare Mourinho with Pep. Pep still needs 20x more years to be as good as Mourinho. First of all, he need to win CL with Porto-level teams. Then we can compare them.
Mourinho's rivals are Diego Simeone and Klopp, and these guys are top 3. Barely no one won the CL with a Porto-level team. So there you have it. Mourinho is clear number 1 and absolutely untouchable. Bullshit. Pep will never have the opportunity to prove himself with a 'bad' team because he started at Barca and now is at another world wide respected team arguably top5 ever. Klopp is indeed doing amazing work as is Diego Simeone. Still especially Simeone just recently does as well as he does right now. Before Atletico was a mediocre team posting acceptable results. This year is exceptional and you can not take it as granted this will happen so soon again (title race + cl semifinal). So well overall your post is rather .. Pep is one of the best and most dedicated coaches. Mourinho has proven himself to such an extent that no one can deny how good he ist. Klopp and Simeone are the young guns and are superb coaches. But im sure they would struggle at barca, madrid, Bayern or a top premier league team. BvB is the perfect fit for klopp right now and vice versa. Same for simeone. oh well
What makes you think that Klopp would struggle at big clubs?
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Well he hasn't built a team yet though has he. Mourinho built his inter side then got out at the right time. He did just about enough with his Real Madrid side (won the league with some records and stop the dominance of Barca) and he did exceptionally well at building a stupidly strong squad at Chelsea which we have had success off for well over 10 years. Pep left Barca and they have gotten a lot worst since he left. Not as bad as the Mourinho leaving Inter worst but still they have just gone backwards to say the least.
He hasn't improved Bayern this year, HOWEVER i do admit it is his first season outside of Barca and in a league which is VERY different to La Liga, i'd like to see what he does next season with them.
Simeone has taken a slightly above average squad with a great goal scorer to potentially a champions league final and a league win over Real Madrid and Barcelona.
Klopp has made Dortmund a decent and attractive footballing outlet on limited funds also. Again reaching champions league final and stopping Bayern dominance.
I wouldn't like to say who the "best" is, but for me out of every manager in the game im glad with the on Chelsea have because it is a good fit. Im sure Barca would love Pep back as they too think he is the perfect fit, but it looks like the club isn't run as well as Pep would like so he had to leave. Or maybe he just wanted another challenge.
Thinking about it i wouldn't even know where to begin these days with a power ranking of managers. I mean the 4 we have discussed are about the only 4 i can think of?
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On April 29 2014 00:11 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2014 00:08 MaGic~PhiL wrote:On April 28 2014 23:30 Mensol wrote:
Please dont dare to compare Mourinho with Pep. Pep still needs 20x more years to be as good as Mourinho. First of all, he need to win CL with Porto-level teams. Then we can compare them.
Mourinho's rivals are Diego Simeone and Klopp, and these guys are top 3. Barely no one won the CL with a Porto-level team. So there you have it. Mourinho is clear number 1 and absolutely untouchable. Bullshit. Pep will never have the opportunity to prove himself with a 'bad' team because he started at Barca and now is at another world wide respected team arguably top5 ever. Klopp is indeed doing amazing work as is Diego Simeone. Still especially Simeone just recently does as well as he does right now. Before Atletico was a mediocre team posting acceptable results. This year is exceptional and you can not take it as granted this will happen so soon again (title race + cl semifinal). So well overall your post is rather .. Pep is one of the best and most dedicated coaches. Mourinho has proven himself to such an extent that no one can deny how good he ist. Klopp and Simeone are the young guns and are superb coaches. But im sure they would struggle at barca, madrid, Bayern or a top premier league team. BvB is the perfect fit for klopp right now and vice versa. Same for simeone. oh well What makes you think that Klopp would struggle at big clubs?
the environment, the pressure (BvB is very happy with reaching the Champions League and they would have been fine with just coming out of the group stages, too)
Reaching the QF and the FInal last year is such a huge achievement but no one expectet it and no one DEMANDED(!) it.
Look at Barca, Real Madrid (!) , Bayern Munich or Chelsea / Cit / Manu
Klopp also would have a lot more other duties and a lot more people who would interfere with his work at the above mentioned clubs compared to Dortmund.
I would not say Klopp wouldnt achieve something with Coach of RM, FCBayern, FCBarcelona or a big english team.
All im saying: Klopp and BvB is the perfect fit (well have to see what the future brings)
He had and has time to form a squad. No big pressure. Reaching the CL and maybe getting to the DFB Pokal final and doing well (normaly for BvB standards that was getting out of the group stage) was all BvB really demanded.
That is changing and will change, too. But as i said.. the pressure in those mentioned teams is something entirely different.
Not saying he wouldnt do well there just saying you cannot compare it and BvB + Klopp is the perfect fit right now.
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