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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
April 26 2013 12:26 GMT
#7381
On April 26 2013 21:20 Savage88 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2013 19:16 Pandemona wrote:
On April 26 2013 19:09 Savage88 wrote:
On April 26 2013 17:39 USvBleakill wrote:
For Dortmund its a simple calculation: Whats better? 1 Year a world class striker and hes gone without no transfer fee or now 15 - 25 million (remember Bayern has with Gomez and Mandzukic they dont need a upgrade right now so they could wait a year and get him for free).


For the 100th time: Lewy will stay here and leave for free in 2014. We have more money than we can spend.


Want a gentlemans bet on it?

If Lewandowski leaves in this transfer window coming up....you stop posting in this thread?
If Lewandowski stays, i will make the whole football thread next year dedicated to how amazing you are? :D


He is 100% NOT going to Bayern this year! Only chance is that ManU/Chelsea makes a HUGE offer for him (30M+) and we sell him. But no way that we sell him to Bayern this year!


Do you accept the bet mr Savage
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
nitram
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada5412 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-26 14:26:45
April 26 2013 14:18 GMT
#7382
On April 26 2013 19:09 Savage88 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2013 17:39 USvBleakill wrote:
For Dortmund its a simple calculation: Whats better? 1 Year a world class striker and hes gone without no transfer fee or now 15 - 25 million (remember Bayern has with Gomez and Mandzukic they dont need a upgrade right now so they could wait a year and get him for free).


For the 100th time: Lewy will stay here and leave for free in 2014. We have more money than we can spend.

It doesnt matter how much money BVB have. They aren't just going to throw it away. Maybe he is worth keeping for another year and then letting him go for free, but i highly doubt it. The outcome of this championsleague may even get him to resign if they win, which i doubt.

Anyways, bidding for lewy kicked off, english press saying that saf topped bayerns 20 mil pound offer with their 28 mil and 200k a week for lewy himself.
These sites might be of more use than a StarCraft site, where the majority of posters look on WCIII as the dense misformed fetus produced during Blizzards latest miscarrige.
nitram
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada5412 Posts
April 26 2013 14:23 GMT
#7383
On April 26 2013 21:26 Pandemona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2013 21:20 Savage88 wrote:
On April 26 2013 19:16 Pandemona wrote:
On April 26 2013 19:09 Savage88 wrote:
On April 26 2013 17:39 USvBleakill wrote:
For Dortmund its a simple calculation: Whats better? 1 Year a world class striker and hes gone without no transfer fee or now 15 - 25 million (remember Bayern has with Gomez and Mandzukic they dont need a upgrade right now so they could wait a year and get him for free).


For the 100th time: Lewy will stay here and leave for free in 2014. We have more money than we can spend.


Want a gentlemans bet on it?

If Lewandowski leaves in this transfer window coming up....you stop posting in this thread?
If Lewandowski stays, i will make the whole football thread next year dedicated to how amazing you are? :D


He is 100% NOT going to Bayern this year! Only chance is that ManU/Chelsea makes a HUGE offer for him (30M+) and we sell him. But no way that we sell him to Bayern this year!


Do you accept the bet mr Savage

If bvb isn't in uncontrollable debt, will you leave the thread?
These sites might be of more use than a StarCraft site, where the majority of posters look on WCIII as the dense misformed fetus produced during Blizzards latest miscarrige.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-26 14:42:50
April 26 2013 14:34 GMT
#7384
On April 26 2013 23:23 nitram wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2013 21:26 Pandemona wrote:
On April 26 2013 21:20 Savage88 wrote:
On April 26 2013 19:16 Pandemona wrote:
On April 26 2013 19:09 Savage88 wrote:
On April 26 2013 17:39 USvBleakill wrote:
For Dortmund its a simple calculation: Whats better? 1 Year a world class striker and hes gone without no transfer fee or now 15 - 25 million (remember Bayern has with Gomez and Mandzukic they dont need a upgrade right now so they could wait a year and get him for free).


For the 100th time: Lewy will stay here and leave for free in 2014. We have more money than we can spend.


Want a gentlemans bet on it?

If Lewandowski leaves in this transfer window coming up....you stop posting in this thread?
If Lewandowski stays, i will make the whole football thread next year dedicated to how amazing you are? :D


He is 100% NOT going to Bayern this year! Only chance is that ManU/Chelsea makes a HUGE offer for him (30M+) and we sell him. But no way that we sell him to Bayern this year!


Do you accept the bet mr Savage

If bvb isn't in uncontrollable debt, will you leave the thread?


Debt issues will probably be a long way to being sorted after they reap the benefits of selling 2 players for about €50-60million and getting €30million from Champions League and another big packet from the new German TV deal someone mentioned....so as of next season after they sold their best 2 players i think they will be alright in terms of debt....

Is it controlling the debt by selling players?

On April 26 2013 23:39 NuclearJudas wrote:
I can see Lewandowski going to City. They have the money to pull him loose and they'll want a forward for next season, I think.

Would love seeing him in Arsenal, but I don't think we'll drop the money required.


Yeah would be perfect fit for Arsenal. True striker who can play, would propel them right up the league. You could afford it, but it's whether or not you get champions league football now which might stop you...
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
NuclearJudas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
6546 Posts
April 26 2013 14:39 GMT
#7385
I can see Lewandowski going to City. They have the money to pull him loose and they'll want a forward for next season, I think.

Would love seeing him in Arsenal, but I don't think we'll drop the money required.
Life is like Tetris. Your errors pile up but your accomplishments disappear. - Robert Ohlén | http://railroaddiary.wordpress.com/ - My words about stuff.
nitram
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada5412 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-26 14:50:22
April 26 2013 14:49 GMT
#7386
On April 26 2013 23:34 Pandemona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2013 23:23 nitram wrote:
On April 26 2013 21:26 Pandemona wrote:
On April 26 2013 21:20 Savage88 wrote:
On April 26 2013 19:16 Pandemona wrote:
On April 26 2013 19:09 Savage88 wrote:
On April 26 2013 17:39 USvBleakill wrote:
For Dortmund its a simple calculation: Whats better? 1 Year a world class striker and hes gone without no transfer fee or now 15 - 25 million (remember Bayern has with Gomez and Mandzukic they dont need a upgrade right now so they could wait a year and get him for free).


For the 100th time: Lewy will stay here and leave for free in 2014. We have more money than we can spend.


Want a gentlemans bet on it?

If Lewandowski leaves in this transfer window coming up....you stop posting in this thread?
If Lewandowski stays, i will make the whole football thread next year dedicated to how amazing you are? :D


He is 100% NOT going to Bayern this year! Only chance is that ManU/Chelsea makes a HUGE offer for him (30M+) and we sell him. But no way that we sell him to Bayern this year!


Do you accept the bet mr Savage

If bvb isn't in uncontrollable debt, will you leave the thread?


Debt issues will probably be a long way to being sorted after they reap the benefits of selling 2 players for about €50-60million and getting €30million from Champions League and another big packet from the new German TV deal someone mentioned....so as of next season after they sold their best 2 players i think they will be alright in terms of debt....

Is it controlling the debt by selling players?

Show nested quote +
On April 26 2013 23:39 NuclearJudas wrote:
I can see Lewandowski going to City. They have the money to pull him loose and they'll want a forward for next season, I think.

Would love seeing him in Arsenal, but I don't think we'll drop the money required.


Yeah would be perfect fit for Arsenal. True striker who can play, would propel them right up the league. You could afford it, but it's whether or not you get champions league football now which might stop you...

So you still are absolutely clueless? Or a really bad troll? There was only the whole last 2 pages talking about it...
These sites might be of more use than a StarCraft site, where the majority of posters look on WCIII as the dense misformed fetus produced during Blizzards latest miscarrige.
Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
April 26 2013 14:52 GMT
#7387
--- Nuked ---
nitram
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada5412 Posts
April 26 2013 14:52 GMT
#7388
On April 26 2013 23:39 NuclearJudas wrote:
I can see Lewandowski going to City. They have the money to pull him loose and they'll want a forward for next season, I think.

Would love seeing him in Arsenal, but I don't think we'll drop the money required.

No offense, but Arsenal is a step down, no?
I only see him going to United, bayern and maybe city or madrid. But all those clubs already have a few strikers. Maybe there will be a swap deal?
These sites might be of more use than a StarCraft site, where the majority of posters look on WCIII as the dense misformed fetus produced during Blizzards latest miscarrige.
Salteador Neo
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Andorra5591 Posts
April 26 2013 15:17 GMT
#7389
Going to chelsea, mancity or arsenal would be a step down for any Borussia player for sure.

But moneeh.
Revolutionist fan
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-26 15:18:26
April 26 2013 15:18 GMT
#7390
On April 26 2013 23:52 nitram wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2013 23:39 NuclearJudas wrote:
I can see Lewandowski going to City. They have the money to pull him loose and they'll want a forward for next season, I think.

Would love seeing him in Arsenal, but I don't think we'll drop the money required.

No offense, but Arsenal is a step down, no?
I only see him going to United, bayern and maybe city or madrid. But all those clubs already have a few strikers. Maybe there will be a swap deal?


Step down at this moment, but Arsenal can rebuild and compete. They are, historically, one of the most famous and successful clubs in England. More importantly, they throw out a lot more money to their players.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
NuclearJudas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
6546 Posts
April 26 2013 15:18 GMT
#7391
City looks to be cleaning up the squad in the coming transfer window, so I think they want to pick up a star striker to play with Agüero. Lewa could be that man.

I don't see United getting another forward at all. They already have a super forward line-up. Bayern have been rumoured to be keen on Lewandowski, but I doubt Dortmund would let both their biggest stars go to Bayern if they can't help it.
Life is like Tetris. Your errors pile up but your accomplishments disappear. - Robert Ohlén | http://railroaddiary.wordpress.com/ - My words about stuff.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-26 15:21:43
April 26 2013 15:20 GMT
#7392
On April 26 2013 23:49 nitram wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2013 23:34 Pandemona wrote:
On April 26 2013 23:23 nitram wrote:
On April 26 2013 21:26 Pandemona wrote:
On April 26 2013 21:20 Savage88 wrote:
On April 26 2013 19:16 Pandemona wrote:
On April 26 2013 19:09 Savage88 wrote:
On April 26 2013 17:39 USvBleakill wrote:
For Dortmund its a simple calculation: Whats better? 1 Year a world class striker and hes gone without no transfer fee or now 15 - 25 million (remember Bayern has with Gomez and Mandzukic they dont need a upgrade right now so they could wait a year and get him for free).


For the 100th time: Lewy will stay here and leave for free in 2014. We have more money than we can spend.


Want a gentlemans bet on it?

If Lewandowski leaves in this transfer window coming up....you stop posting in this thread?
If Lewandowski stays, i will make the whole football thread next year dedicated to how amazing you are? :D


He is 100% NOT going to Bayern this year! Only chance is that ManU/Chelsea makes a HUGE offer for him (30M+) and we sell him. But no way that we sell him to Bayern this year!


Do you accept the bet mr Savage

If bvb isn't in uncontrollable debt, will you leave the thread?


Debt issues will probably be a long way to being sorted after they reap the benefits of selling 2 players for about €50-60million and getting €30million from Champions League and another big packet from the new German TV deal someone mentioned....so as of next season after they sold their best 2 players i think they will be alright in terms of debt....

Is it controlling the debt by selling players?

On April 26 2013 23:39 NuclearJudas wrote:
I can see Lewandowski going to City. They have the money to pull him loose and they'll want a forward for next season, I think.

Would love seeing him in Arsenal, but I don't think we'll drop the money required.


Yeah would be perfect fit for Arsenal. True striker who can play, would propel them right up the league. You could afford it, but it's whether or not you get champions league football now which might stop you...

So you still are absolutely clueless? Or a really bad troll? There was only the whole last 2 pages talking about it...


No the last two pages say Dortmund still have money troubles...Dortmund selling players, not having the revenue to support the big needs of being a top club these days. Someone already mentioned that the small €80million wage budget is a problem as they can't build a power house around that when you have the likes of Bayern Chelsea Barcelona Real Madrid Man Utd Man City PSG and to the extent Arsenal/Tottenham/Inter/Juventues/AC Milan. But still, you clearly are not understand the points in making.
Your telling me Dortmund are fine financially, and that clubs can run "fine" with debt. Which in a sense is true, but they cannot compete with the bigger teams with debt issues, hense this summer after Gotze and Lewandowski leave their will be two huge holes to fill and you wont have all that transfer money from sales to spend on replacements. Yes they are finishing in champions league spots for the last 3 seasons? (including this one) but they only competed for the first time in Europe this season. All be it they are doing it well and we have no idea what next season brings. But you cannot tell me a club can be ran on debt with FFP rules incoming and not the best revenue (which is excluding transfer fee's i believe!) can compete with the best in Europe. Or even Bayern who are just god like with their finances and have a huge stranglehold on German football. Don't understand where you see this going >.<

On April 27 2013 00:17 Salteador Neo wrote:
Going to chelsea, mancity or arsenal would be a step down for any Borussia player for sure.

But moneeh.


GTFO
How is it step down to Chelsea from Dortmund wtf? >.< fml
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
nitram
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada5412 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-26 15:30:21
April 26 2013 15:27 GMT
#7393
Did you even read the last 2 pages? Because you either didn't, or have read it completely wrong. Anyways, I'm going to do what most people here seem to be doing, pretending you aren't here. My only piece of advice is: LURK MOAR.
These sites might be of more use than a StarCraft site, where the majority of posters look on WCIII as the dense misformed fetus produced during Blizzards latest miscarrige.
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-26 15:35:48
April 26 2013 15:33 GMT
#7394
On April 27 2013 00:20 Pandemona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2013 23:49 nitram wrote:
On April 26 2013 23:34 Pandemona wrote:
On April 26 2013 23:23 nitram wrote:
On April 26 2013 21:26 Pandemona wrote:
On April 26 2013 21:20 Savage88 wrote:
On April 26 2013 19:16 Pandemona wrote:
On April 26 2013 19:09 Savage88 wrote:
On April 26 2013 17:39 USvBleakill wrote:
For Dortmund its a simple calculation: Whats better? 1 Year a world class striker and hes gone without no transfer fee or now 15 - 25 million (remember Bayern has with Gomez and Mandzukic they dont need a upgrade right now so they could wait a year and get him for free).


For the 100th time: Lewy will stay here and leave for free in 2014. We have more money than we can spend.


Want a gentlemans bet on it?

If Lewandowski leaves in this transfer window coming up....you stop posting in this thread?
If Lewandowski stays, i will make the whole football thread next year dedicated to how amazing you are? :D


He is 100% NOT going to Bayern this year! Only chance is that ManU/Chelsea makes a HUGE offer for him (30M+) and we sell him. But no way that we sell him to Bayern this year!


Do you accept the bet mr Savage

If bvb isn't in uncontrollable debt, will you leave the thread?


Debt issues will probably be a long way to being sorted after they reap the benefits of selling 2 players for about €50-60million and getting €30million from Champions League and another big packet from the new German TV deal someone mentioned....so as of next season after they sold their best 2 players i think they will be alright in terms of debt....

Is it controlling the debt by selling players?

On April 26 2013 23:39 NuclearJudas wrote:
I can see Lewandowski going to City. They have the money to pull him loose and they'll want a forward for next season, I think.

Would love seeing him in Arsenal, but I don't think we'll drop the money required.


Yeah would be perfect fit for Arsenal. True striker who can play, would propel them right up the league. You could afford it, but it's whether or not you get champions league football now which might stop you...

So you still are absolutely clueless? Or a really bad troll? There was only the whole last 2 pages talking about it...


No the last two pages say Dortmund still have money troubles...Dortmund selling players, not having the revenue to support the big needs of being a top club these days. Someone already mentioned that the small €80million wage budget is a problem as they can't build a power house around that when you have the likes of Bayern Chelsea Barcelona Real Madrid Man Utd Man City PSG and to the extent Arsenal/Tottenham/Inter/Juventues/AC Milan. But still, you clearly are not understand the points in making.
Your telling me Dortmund are fine financially, and that clubs can run "fine" with debt. Which in a sense is true, but they cannot compete with the bigger teams with debt issues, hense this summer after Gotze and Lewandowski leave their will be two huge holes to fill and you wont have all that transfer money from sales to spend on replacements. Yes they are finishing in champions league spots for the last 3 seasons? (including this one) but they only competed for the first time in Europe this season. All be it they are doing it well and we have no idea what next season brings. But you cannot tell me a club can be ran on debt with FFP rules incoming and not the best revenue (which is excluding transfer fee's i believe!) can compete with the best in Europe. Or even Bayern who are just god like with their finances and have a huge stranglehold on German football. Don't understand where you see this going >.<

Show nested quote +
On April 27 2013 00:17 Salteador Neo wrote:
Going to chelsea, mancity or arsenal would be a step down for any Borussia player for sure.

But moneeh.


GTFO
How is it step down to Chelsea from Dortmund wtf? >.< fml


First off, Dortmund won the CL in 97 and were competing consistently throughout the 90's.

Second, you are blatantly ignoring every piece of evidence that is presented to you. You are hell-bent on portraying BVB as having money problems when they don't. They are growing faster than any other club out there, don't have any more debt than any big club out there, and are making tons of money. Just because they can't throw money at the game and hope to win like Chelsea doesn't mean they have financial issues.

Finally, Chelsea would definitely be a step down. There's no guarantee that Chelsea is going to be competitive for any serious trophies next year. Unless the only thing you care about is money, why would you want to go to such a dysfunctional and self-destructive club with an owner that hurts his own club's chances at stability and competitiveness when you have several other clubs that are just as prestigious and competitive offering you great money?
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
smr
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany4808 Posts
April 26 2013 15:37 GMT
#7395
I would be surprised if Lewandowski went to ManU. I guess players have like no influence what their teams do but there was some bad blood between Kagawa and Lewandowski in Dortmund. ManU could just tell them to be professional but why take the risk when you got RVP?
NuclearJudas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
6546 Posts
April 26 2013 15:41 GMT
#7396
Disagree that Chelsea is a step down. They have a sick, sick squad. Shürrle (spelling? lol) looks set to join in the summer as well. With a star striker, Chelsea will absolutely be challenging for the Premiership. Then there's the manager problem, but I think Chelsea already have one lined up. I guess it's going to be Mourinho again, but who knows?
Life is like Tetris. Your errors pile up but your accomplishments disappear. - Robert Ohlén | http://railroaddiary.wordpress.com/ - My words about stuff.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
April 26 2013 15:49 GMT
#7397
On April 27 2013 00:33 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2013 00:20 Pandemona wrote:
On April 26 2013 23:49 nitram wrote:
On April 26 2013 23:34 Pandemona wrote:
On April 26 2013 23:23 nitram wrote:
On April 26 2013 21:26 Pandemona wrote:
On April 26 2013 21:20 Savage88 wrote:
On April 26 2013 19:16 Pandemona wrote:
On April 26 2013 19:09 Savage88 wrote:
On April 26 2013 17:39 USvBleakill wrote:
For Dortmund its a simple calculation: Whats better? 1 Year a world class striker and hes gone without no transfer fee or now 15 - 25 million (remember Bayern has with Gomez and Mandzukic they dont need a upgrade right now so they could wait a year and get him for free).


For the 100th time: Lewy will stay here and leave for free in 2014. We have more money than we can spend.


Want a gentlemans bet on it?

If Lewandowski leaves in this transfer window coming up....you stop posting in this thread?
If Lewandowski stays, i will make the whole football thread next year dedicated to how amazing you are? :D


He is 100% NOT going to Bayern this year! Only chance is that ManU/Chelsea makes a HUGE offer for him (30M+) and we sell him. But no way that we sell him to Bayern this year!


Do you accept the bet mr Savage

If bvb isn't in uncontrollable debt, will you leave the thread?


Debt issues will probably be a long way to being sorted after they reap the benefits of selling 2 players for about €50-60million and getting €30million from Champions League and another big packet from the new German TV deal someone mentioned....so as of next season after they sold their best 2 players i think they will be alright in terms of debt....

Is it controlling the debt by selling players?

On April 26 2013 23:39 NuclearJudas wrote:
I can see Lewandowski going to City. They have the money to pull him loose and they'll want a forward for next season, I think.

Would love seeing him in Arsenal, but I don't think we'll drop the money required.


Yeah would be perfect fit for Arsenal. True striker who can play, would propel them right up the league. You could afford it, but it's whether or not you get champions league football now which might stop you...

So you still are absolutely clueless? Or a really bad troll? There was only the whole last 2 pages talking about it...


No the last two pages say Dortmund still have money troubles...Dortmund selling players, not having the revenue to support the big needs of being a top club these days. Someone already mentioned that the small €80million wage budget is a problem as they can't build a power house around that when you have the likes of Bayern Chelsea Barcelona Real Madrid Man Utd Man City PSG and to the extent Arsenal/Tottenham/Inter/Juventues/AC Milan. But still, you clearly are not understand the points in making.
Your telling me Dortmund are fine financially, and that clubs can run "fine" with debt. Which in a sense is true, but they cannot compete with the bigger teams with debt issues, hense this summer after Gotze and Lewandowski leave their will be two huge holes to fill and you wont have all that transfer money from sales to spend on replacements. Yes they are finishing in champions league spots for the last 3 seasons? (including this one) but they only competed for the first time in Europe this season. All be it they are doing it well and we have no idea what next season brings. But you cannot tell me a club can be ran on debt with FFP rules incoming and not the best revenue (which is excluding transfer fee's i believe!) can compete with the best in Europe. Or even Bayern who are just god like with their finances and have a huge stranglehold on German football. Don't understand where you see this going >.<

On April 27 2013 00:17 Salteador Neo wrote:
Going to chelsea, mancity or arsenal would be a step down for any Borussia player for sure.

But moneeh.


GTFO
How is it step down to Chelsea from Dortmund wtf? >.< fml


First off, Dortmund won the CL in 97 and were competing consistently throughout the 90's.

Second, you are blatantly ignoring every piece of evidence that is presented to you. You are hell-bent on portraying BVB as having money problems when they don't. They are growing faster than any other club out there, don't have any more debt than any big club out there, and are making tons of money. Just because they can't throw money at the game and hope to win like Chelsea doesn't mean they have financial issues.

Finally, Chelsea would definitely be a step down. There's no guarantee that Chelsea is going to be competitive for any serious trophies next year. Unless the only thing you care about is money, why would you want to go to such a dysfunctional and self-destructive club with an owner that hurts his own club's chances at stability and competitiveness when you have several other clubs that are just as prestigious and competitive offering you great money?


Ermm?

Gz Dortmund have history...Liverpool Nottingham Forrest and Borussia Mönchengladbach have history of winning the biggest prize and being dominant.
After that spell in the 90s Dortmund nearly went bankrupt in the early 00s and have been slowly recovering from it as much as possible.
The chairman in place or the group in place (not sure what they call it in Germany) who control the finances are trying to make Dortmund stabilized and balancing the books as much as possible, hense the selling of players.
No i have looked at the evidence, many German posters have said Dortmund sell players because they need to keep on top of wage bills and finances. Thats the evidence i look for, people who actually live in the country of the team we are talking about, with their local press telling the stories every week.
Growing faster than any club out there? Are you kidding me? They climbed 5 places in the revenue league table produced by Deloitte last financial year 11-12. Putting them 11th with a revenue of 189 million. 15million above local rival Schalke but 6million short of Juventus in 10th. 134million short of Chelsea and 179million short of Bayern. I don't see any huge growth considering the season before you made 51million less. Chelsea grew by 73 million that season, and you just called us a smaller club >.<
Onto the Chelsea being a step down because of "stability?" we have arguably 3 of the hottest talents in Hazard Mata and Oscar as our attacking 3. Oscar and Hazard are 21 and 22 with Mata being 24, we have a bright future. Our club is making more and more money each season (Revenue) we made profits the last 2 financial years, even with spending 50million on one player. Our wage bill is being cut every year as we are becoming a more prestigious club people are just wanting to play as the opportunity to win trophies is always there. Chelsea were in 8 competitions this year, we have gone lost 3 finals, 1 semi final and are in control of another semi final looking for our 4th final of the year that is why people want to play for Chelsea. We are also about to set a record for the number of matches played in a season, we are currently at 62 matches with another 4 league games 1 semi final and possibly a final to go! 68 game season is pretty big for any club!
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sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18707 Posts
April 26 2013 15:56 GMT
#7398
On April 27 2013 00:49 Pandemona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2013 00:33 Stratos_speAr wrote:
On April 27 2013 00:20 Pandemona wrote:
On April 26 2013 23:49 nitram wrote:
On April 26 2013 23:34 Pandemona wrote:
On April 26 2013 23:23 nitram wrote:
On April 26 2013 21:26 Pandemona wrote:
On April 26 2013 21:20 Savage88 wrote:
On April 26 2013 19:16 Pandemona wrote:
On April 26 2013 19:09 Savage88 wrote:
[quote]

For the 100th time: Lewy will stay here and leave for free in 2014. We have more money than we can spend.


Want a gentlemans bet on it?

If Lewandowski leaves in this transfer window coming up....you stop posting in this thread?
If Lewandowski stays, i will make the whole football thread next year dedicated to how amazing you are? :D


He is 100% NOT going to Bayern this year! Only chance is that ManU/Chelsea makes a HUGE offer for him (30M+) and we sell him. But no way that we sell him to Bayern this year!


Do you accept the bet mr Savage

If bvb isn't in uncontrollable debt, will you leave the thread?


Debt issues will probably be a long way to being sorted after they reap the benefits of selling 2 players for about €50-60million and getting €30million from Champions League and another big packet from the new German TV deal someone mentioned....so as of next season after they sold their best 2 players i think they will be alright in terms of debt....

Is it controlling the debt by selling players?

On April 26 2013 23:39 NuclearJudas wrote:
I can see Lewandowski going to City. They have the money to pull him loose and they'll want a forward for next season, I think.

Would love seeing him in Arsenal, but I don't think we'll drop the money required.


Yeah would be perfect fit for Arsenal. True striker who can play, would propel them right up the league. You could afford it, but it's whether or not you get champions league football now which might stop you...

So you still are absolutely clueless? Or a really bad troll? There was only the whole last 2 pages talking about it...


No the last two pages say Dortmund still have money troubles...Dortmund selling players, not having the revenue to support the big needs of being a top club these days. Someone already mentioned that the small €80million wage budget is a problem as they can't build a power house around that when you have the likes of Bayern Chelsea Barcelona Real Madrid Man Utd Man City PSG and to the extent Arsenal/Tottenham/Inter/Juventues/AC Milan. But still, you clearly are not understand the points in making.
Your telling me Dortmund are fine financially, and that clubs can run "fine" with debt. Which in a sense is true, but they cannot compete with the bigger teams with debt issues, hense this summer after Gotze and Lewandowski leave their will be two huge holes to fill and you wont have all that transfer money from sales to spend on replacements. Yes they are finishing in champions league spots for the last 3 seasons? (including this one) but they only competed for the first time in Europe this season. All be it they are doing it well and we have no idea what next season brings. But you cannot tell me a club can be ran on debt with FFP rules incoming and not the best revenue (which is excluding transfer fee's i believe!) can compete with the best in Europe. Or even Bayern who are just god like with their finances and have a huge stranglehold on German football. Don't understand where you see this going >.<

On April 27 2013 00:17 Salteador Neo wrote:
Going to chelsea, mancity or arsenal would be a step down for any Borussia player for sure.

But moneeh.


GTFO
How is it step down to Chelsea from Dortmund wtf? >.< fml


First off, Dortmund won the CL in 97 and were competing consistently throughout the 90's.

Second, you are blatantly ignoring every piece of evidence that is presented to you. You are hell-bent on portraying BVB as having money problems when they don't. They are growing faster than any other club out there, don't have any more debt than any big club out there, and are making tons of money. Just because they can't throw money at the game and hope to win like Chelsea doesn't mean they have financial issues.

Finally, Chelsea would definitely be a step down. There's no guarantee that Chelsea is going to be competitive for any serious trophies next year. Unless the only thing you care about is money, why would you want to go to such a dysfunctional and self-destructive club with an owner that hurts his own club's chances at stability and competitiveness when you have several other clubs that are just as prestigious and competitive offering you great money?


Ermm?

Gz Dortmund have history...Liverpool Nottingham Forrest and Borussia Mönchengladbach have history of winning the biggest prize and being dominant.
After that spell in the 90s Dortmund nearly went bankrupt in the early 00s and have been slowly recovering from it as much as possible.
The chairman in place or the group in place (not sure what they call it in Germany) who control the finances are trying to make Dortmund stabilized and balancing the books as much as possible, hense the selling of players.
No i have looked at the evidence, many German posters have said Dortmund sell players because they need to keep on top of wage bills and finances. Thats the evidence i look for, people who actually live in the country of the team we are talking about, with their local press telling the stories every week.
Growing faster than any club out there? Are you kidding me? They climbed 5 places in the revenue league table produced by Deloitte last financial year 11-12. Putting them 11th with a revenue of 189 million. 15million above local rival Schalke but 6million short of Juventus in 10th. 134million short of Chelsea and 179million short of Bayern. I don't see any huge growth considering the season before you made 51million less. Chelsea grew by 73 million that season, and you just called us a smaller club >.<
Onto the Chelsea being a step down because of "stability?" we have arguably 3 of the hottest talents in Hazard Mata and Oscar as our attacking 3. Oscar and Hazard are 21 and 22 with Mata being 24, we have a bright future. Our club is making more and more money each season (Revenue) we made profits the last 2 financial years, even with spending 50million on one player. Our wage bill is being cut every year as we are becoming a more prestigious club people are just wanting to play as the opportunity to win trophies is always there. Chelsea were in 8 competitions this year, we have gone lost 3 finals, 1 semi final and are in control of another semi final looking for our 4th final of the year that is why people want to play for Chelsea. We are also about to set a record for the number of matches played in a season, we are currently at 62 matches with another 4 league games 1 semi final and possibly a final to go! 68 game season is pretty big for any club!


Where do you keep reading this "having to sell players to pay off debt" stuff? That was in the past. Dortmund for the last two years don't have to do that. Sahin went because he was able to (in his contract), Kagawa went because he wasn't going to stay and they already signed Reus, Goetze goes because he was able to (in his contract).
If Dortmund wants to they can force Lewandowski to stay another year. They wont have money problems if he leaves next year.

Dortmund dont have to sell anyone to pay off debt. Man you dont seem to know anything about BVB.
DaMuffinman
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1705 Posts
April 26 2013 16:10 GMT
#7399
Well at the end of the last season Dortmund still had 40 million € debts. I think I read that they cut that to 20m already but I haven't double checked that yet. The reason that they aren't giving their player much money is pretty simple: To avoid new debts in case of failure (Not getting into CL). They are now beyond the point where they need to sell players because of their debts. But because of not handing out big salaries, the players are looking for different options where they would get more money. The agents ofc too, and Lewandowskis agent is one of the worst kind. (Spreading rumours etc.)
Salaries at Dortmund will be increased over time, which they already did with many contract extensions.

Btw: While not paying huge salaries, Dortmund hands their players big bonuses (in comparison to the "low" salary) if they achieve smth.

To the point: Dortmund does not have to sell players because of debts. So I guess Lewandowski stays this summer, if they don't find a suitable replacement.
But does it djent?
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6295 Posts
April 26 2013 16:23 GMT
#7400
40m of debt when you have 180m of revenue is like nothing anyway. Pandemona you're just wrong on this one BVB is perfectly healthy.
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