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I think Mandalors point is the most important one. Money-wise there might be no need to sell players (hell according to media Watze tries to throw every new penny at Lewandowski to hold him) but if they do not want to stay for whatever reason.. money, prestige, dortmund being not as pretty as madrid or munich, it makes no sense holding them.
Also they are often mentioned as Dortmund's polish trio I read an article some months ago that mentioned that Lewandowski isn't close to Piszczek and Kuba. Imagine how somebody who is forced to stay, who thinks that he deserves better, who is not really integrated into the team will influence the atmosphere.
Most media say he's worth ~25million € and I think this might be more realistic than the 40+ thrown around here.
"1 Gotze didn't think Dortmund would become a force to be reckoned with and wanted an easy escape option"
37million euro buyout clause is an easy escape option? O_o
With the reputation that Götze had in Germany for the past 2 years I believe that Dortmund and Götze both knew that Bayern would pay that amount whenever they wanted to. Easy but not cheap.
Talking about finances I think that Dortmund achieved alot in the last years but Watzke does not aim at "having controllable debts and grow asap" but at "get rid off all debts first".
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By the way...just to throw it into the discussion, don't forget about FFP ruling that is coming in.
At the end of each season, clubs in the Bundesliga must apply to the German Football Federation (DFB) for a licence to participate again the following year; only when the DFB, who have access to all transfer documents and accounts, are satisfied that there is no threat of insolvency do they give approval. The DFB have a system of fines and points deductions for clubs who flout rules and those who go into the red can only buy a player after selling one for at least the same amount. In addition, no individual is allowed to own more than 49 percent of any Bundesliga club. Despite the good economic governance in the German league, there have still been some instances of clubs getting into difficulties. In 2004, Borussia Dortmund reported a debt of €118.8 million (£83 million). Having won the Champions League in 1997 and a number of Bundesliga titles, Dortmund had gambled to maintain their success with an expensive group of largely foreign players but failed, narrowly escaping liquidation in 2006. In subsequent years, the club went through extensive restructuring to return to financial health, largely with young home-grown players. In 2004 Hertha BSC reported debts of £24.7 million and were able to continue in the Bundesliga only after proving they had long term credit with their bank.
The leading German club FC Bayern Munich made a net profit of just €2.5 million in 2008–09 season (group accounts, while Schalke 04 made a net loss of €30.4 million in 2009 financial year. Borussia Dortmund GmbH & Co. KGaA, made a net loss of just €2.9 million in 2008–09 season.
Short excerpt of how the FFP rules are going to effect German clubs.
Wiki Source
I will make sure i keep an eye out for the next accounts that are released from Dortmund and see what is what, but if it is as bad as it could be, ANY amount of debt against the club hinders you so much in being able to get into Europe the following season. There is loop holes though of course and you can abuse the system and still get in with a bit of debt i believe
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I think we may all agree that Dortmund earned quite a lot of money the last two years and thus has some to spend. However, as indicated in the article posted, the salary level of Dortmund is much lower than that of the really big players. If Dortmund seriously wants to compete with those on a long-term level, it won't be enough to spend their money on new players; they'll have to increase their salaries (and quite a lot of that) to attract players of a certain calibre/with certain ambitions (let's face it, it is very unlikely that they continue to find hidden jewels again and again; also, they will need players with experience in CL).
It's not like BVB would be only missing 20-30m € for Lewandowski if they don't sell him now - they'd also have to pay him for another season (guess that's another few millions). Even more so, if they even manage to get another contract set up with him he'll certainly be a big earner, so Dortmund will miss the 20-30m € and have to pay really big money for him on a long-term contract. It seems like Watzke/Dortmund in fact offered Lewandowski yet another new contract with dramatically increased salaries, so they seem to be willing to do that. However, one has to realize that this is only possible due to the Götze money, which in turn should be remembered when talking about how much money Dortmund has or has not. It's too easy to just add up numbers from their income and act like they could spend most/all of it for new players and their transfer wages.
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Some of you might forget that Lewandowski just has 1 year of contract left. And he has already said that he will not stay after his contract has expired.
For Dortmund its a simple calculation: Whats better? 1 Year a world class striker and hes gone without no transfer fee or now 15 - 25 million (remember Bayern has with Gomez and Mandzukic they dont need a upgrade right now so they could wait a year and get him for free).
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Rumors flying around of Ancellotti leaving Paris this summer for Real Madrid or Man City, I don't really like it, especially after seeing the names of his potential successors.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Isn't the names being thrown around; Mourinho Wenger & Bayern Manager? Not bad replacements no? Minus Wenger xD
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Hes going to Bayern, unfortunately.Meh, BvB was/is the best place for him atm
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On April 26 2013 17:52 Pandemona wrote:
Isn't the names being thrown around; Mourinho Wenger & Bayern Manager? Not bad replacements no? Minus Wenger xD
I really don't think Mourinho will come to Paris, and the other names I read are Rijkaard and Wenger..... Also, despite a wonky debut, I was starting to like Ancelotti and the 4-4-2 he made for PSG
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Ahh yeah thats it, the most random speculation ever was Rikjaard, i mean wtf guy has done fuck all since fluking a few wins with Barca xD
I hope Mourinho doesn't come as that will leave him with the only option to rejoin Chelsea :33333333
I wonder who PSG will get if Ancelotti does leave, i can't see Ancelotti going to Real Madrid though, think that would be his worst move in his Career xD
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On April 26 2013 17:39 USvBleakill wrote:
For Dortmund its a simple calculation: Whats better? 1 Year a world class striker and hes gone without no transfer fee or now 15 - 25 million (remember Bayern has with Gomez and Mandzukic they dont need a upgrade right now so they could wait a year and get him for free).
For the 100th time: Lewy will stay here and leave for free in 2014. We have more money than we can spend.
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On April 26 2013 19:09 Savage88 wrote:
For the 100th time: Lewy will stay here and leave for free in 2014. We have more money than we can spend.
yeah...sure =)
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On April 26 2013 19:09 Savage88 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 17:39 USvBleakill wrote:
For Dortmund its a simple calculation: Whats better? 1 Year a world class striker and hes gone without no transfer fee or now 15 - 25 million (remember Bayern has with Gomez and Mandzukic they dont need a upgrade right now so they could wait a year and get him for free). For the 100th time: Lewy will stay here and leave for free in 2014. We have more money than we can spend.
Want a gentlemans bet on it? 
If Lewandowski leaves in this transfer window coming up....you stop posting in this thread?
If Lewandowski stays, i will make the whole football thread next year dedicated to how amazing you are? :D
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On April 26 2013 19:16 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 19:09 Savage88 wrote:On April 26 2013 17:39 USvBleakill wrote:
For Dortmund its a simple calculation: Whats better? 1 Year a world class striker and hes gone without no transfer fee or now 15 - 25 million (remember Bayern has with Gomez and Mandzukic they dont need a upgrade right now so they could wait a year and get him for free). For the 100th time: Lewy will stay here and leave for free in 2014. We have more money than we can spend. Want a gentlemans bet on it? If Lewandowski leaves in this transfer window coming up....you stop posting in this thread? If Lewandowski stays, i will make the whole football thread next year dedicated to how amazing you are? :D
lol and I'm the witness XD
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On April 26 2013 19:16 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 19:09 Savage88 wrote:On April 26 2013 17:39 USvBleakill wrote:
For Dortmund its a simple calculation: Whats better? 1 Year a world class striker and hes gone without no transfer fee or now 15 - 25 million (remember Bayern has with Gomez and Mandzukic they dont need a upgrade right now so they could wait a year and get him for free). For the 100th time: Lewy will stay here and leave for free in 2014. We have more money than we can spend. Want a gentlemans bet on it? If Lewandowski leaves in this transfer window coming up....you stop posting in this thread? If Lewandowski stays, i will make the whole football thread next year dedicated to how amazing you are? :D
You have my blessing to ruin next years football thread. Nobody reads those OP's anyway
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On April 26 2013 19:35 Zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 19:16 Pandemona wrote:On April 26 2013 19:09 Savage88 wrote:On April 26 2013 17:39 USvBleakill wrote:
For Dortmund its a simple calculation: Whats better? 1 Year a world class striker and hes gone without no transfer fee or now 15 - 25 million (remember Bayern has with Gomez and Mandzukic they dont need a upgrade right now so they could wait a year and get him for free). For the 100th time: Lewy will stay here and leave for free in 2014. We have more money than we can spend. Want a gentlemans bet on it? If Lewandowski leaves in this transfer window coming up....you stop posting in this thread? If Lewandowski stays, i will make the whole football thread next year dedicated to how amazing you are? :D You have my blessing to ruin next years football thread. Nobody reads those OP's anyway
:O You don't read the OP? All that work i put in with the transfers and managerial changes from each domestic league i cover? Updated domestic tables aswell? :O
How mean 
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On April 26 2013 19:42 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 19:35 Zeo wrote:On April 26 2013 19:16 Pandemona wrote:On April 26 2013 19:09 Savage88 wrote:On April 26 2013 17:39 USvBleakill wrote:
For Dortmund its a simple calculation: Whats better? 1 Year a world class striker and hes gone without no transfer fee or now 15 - 25 million (remember Bayern has with Gomez and Mandzukic they dont need a upgrade right now so they could wait a year and get him for free). For the 100th time: Lewy will stay here and leave for free in 2014. We have more money than we can spend. Want a gentlemans bet on it? If Lewandowski leaves in this transfer window coming up....you stop posting in this thread? If Lewandowski stays, i will make the whole football thread next year dedicated to how amazing you are? :D You have my blessing to ruin next years football thread. Nobody reads those OP's anyway :O You don't read the OP? All that work i put in with the transfers and managerial changes from each domestic league i cover? Updated domestic tables aswell? :O How mean
Oh shit, forgot we weren't supposed to talk about not caring about what pande does, play it cool guys, play it cool. Erm, we like what you do Pandemona, erm like all that stuff...and that other thing.. erm
Just kidding Pandemona hehe <3
About Dortmund: How did they get the nickname Billionaires (/millionaires?) if they are poor?
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On April 26 2013 19:55 Zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 19:42 Pandemona wrote:On April 26 2013 19:35 Zeo wrote:On April 26 2013 19:16 Pandemona wrote:On April 26 2013 19:09 Savage88 wrote:On April 26 2013 17:39 USvBleakill wrote:
For Dortmund its a simple calculation: Whats better? 1 Year a world class striker and hes gone without no transfer fee or now 15 - 25 million (remember Bayern has with Gomez and Mandzukic they dont need a upgrade right now so they could wait a year and get him for free). For the 100th time: Lewy will stay here and leave for free in 2014. We have more money than we can spend. Want a gentlemans bet on it? If Lewandowski leaves in this transfer window coming up....you stop posting in this thread? If Lewandowski stays, i will make the whole football thread next year dedicated to how amazing you are? :D You have my blessing to ruin next years football thread. Nobody reads those OP's anyway :O You don't read the OP? All that work i put in with the transfers and managerial changes from each domestic league i cover? Updated domestic tables aswell? :O How mean Oh shit, forgot we went supposed to talk about not caring about what pande does, play it cool guys, play it cool. Erm, we like what you do Pandemona, erm like all that stuff...and that other thing.. erm Just kidding Pandemona hehe <3 About Dortmund: How did they get the nickname Billionaires (/millionaires?) if they are poor?
From back in the day When they were the force in the 90s
And ooo ok You best read every word of the next op!
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On April 26 2013 17:39 USvBleakill wrote:
Some of you might forget that Lewandowski just has 1 year of contract left. And he has already said that he will not stay after his contract has expired.
For Dortmund its a simple calculation: Whats better? 1 Year a world class striker and hes gone without no transfer fee or now 15 - 25 million (remember Bayern has with Gomez and Mandzukic they dont need a upgrade right now so they could wait a year and get him for free).
If Bayern don't get him, that just means he can go to Chelsea or something. Oh God would that be terrible...
Also,
http://www.fcbayern.telekom.de/de/aktuell/news/2013/41906.php
Official statement from Bayern denying any contract agreement with Lewandowski.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
That leaves him going to either Man City - Chelsea (i doubt) - PSG - Real (maybe?) - Man Utd (Surely not, but have been rumored) - imo
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On April 26 2013 19:16 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 19:09 Savage88 wrote:On April 26 2013 17:39 USvBleakill wrote:
For Dortmund its a simple calculation: Whats better? 1 Year a world class striker and hes gone without no transfer fee or now 15 - 25 million (remember Bayern has with Gomez and Mandzukic they dont need a upgrade right now so they could wait a year and get him for free). For the 100th time: Lewy will stay here and leave for free in 2014. We have more money than we can spend. Want a gentlemans bet on it? If Lewandowski leaves in this transfer window coming up....you stop posting in this thread? If Lewandowski stays, i will make the whole football thread next year dedicated to how amazing you are? :D
He is 100% NOT going to Bayern this year! Only chance is that ManU/Chelsea makes a HUGE offer for him (30M+) and we sell him. But no way that we sell him to Bayern this year!
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